Islam

[Havoc]

Belgian first responders from the fire department were met with Islamic youth dancing and cheering in front of their fire house, making beheading gestures to them. One of the firefighters posted his story to Facebook because for SOME reason the media don't want to show anything but peaceful gatherings and mourning.

https://www.facebook.com/fieroppolit...nf&pnref=story

Post is in Dutch but nothing Google translate won't fix if you want to read it for yourself.

[Varrok]

I could find a new article about an immigrant problem like that each day, there's so many of those situations popping in European countries

[Havoc]

I could find a new article about an immigrant problem like that each day, there's so many of those situations popping in European countries

Sure you can find it. If you go looking for it. But I rarely, if ever, see it pop up on the mainstream news around here. There's like some big taboo on saying that Islam might just be retarded. And the only politician who does dare say that has to walk around with 24/7 body guards because the previous politician who dared say that got fucking assasinated, no joke. That's saying something right there.

[Xorlidyr]

Love Islam like I do and you shall not waste time on arguing.

[Varrok]

Because the problem is us not loving Islam, sure.

[Nate]

I don't think you can consider yourself a logical person while still putting your trust in ancient, contradictory and unscientific books.

Pretty much. I wouldn't read Mein Kampf and be like "Hey, it's full of shit but there's some good stuff about animal rights, everyone should get this book and live by it!"

(My response is directed at both of you)

I don't disagree with your posts. But why are you so negative about Islam and not mainstream followers of any other religion?

[Nepsotic]

I feel similarly about all of them, but I think you know the answer to that question.

How many radical Christians go blowing up buildings?

I know that culture is another massive issue here, but think about how many Americans have gone to join ISIS. I don't think culture is 100% to blame.

[Slugology]

if bombs were around during the Catholic/Protestant wars, the answer would be: alot

[STM]

Erm, not like The Troubles or anything then?

[Xorlidyr]

Christians (and not only them) blow up houses in Middle East under the flag of antiterrorism.
Just remember how it started and which countries launched the Fundamentalist aggression.
To say the truth, some rulers are trying to sunder different cultures. This should not happen. Traditions should not simply disappear.

Nothing is one-sided.
I love Islam in the same way I love anything that brought some good to this world.

[Varrok]

I don't disagree with your posts. But why are you so negative about Islam and not mainstream followers of any other religion?

I'm negative about any religion, actually. But it's not a thread for all of them, just the particular one.

[Havoc]

(My response is directed at both of you)

I don't disagree with your posts. But why are you so negative about Islam and not mainstream followers of any other religion?

Because Islam is causing by far the most problems at the moment with their whole "invasion of the West". Christian extremists are tame in comparison.

I hate all religion, but Islam in particular because at least Christianity as evolved to be a pretty passive thing. You say grace over dinner, go to Church and get married under god. The most violent passages in the Bible have been forgotten and are being ignored by mainstream believers. Not so for Islam and the Koran. The violent passages in that book are generally used, abused and followed all the time. Islam is stuck in the place Christianity was during the crusades and that makes it extremely dangerous.

[STM]

Does a racist moron stick his hand up your arse and work your mouth to make you say these things are do you do it of your own volition? Show me some statistics that prove violent passages in the Koran are not ignored/are practiced, by the majority of Muslims.

[Vlam]

STM has been hacked by FA.

[STM]

Vlam continues to be irrelevant.

[Vlam]

There are bigger, badder enemies to focus your energies on than 0.00001% of Muslims.

Who are those enemies?

[STM]

Global media, global warming, genocide, the 21st century fall of democracy, etc.

[Vlam]

Global media, global warming, genocide, the 21st century fall of democracy, etc.

Not the Jews?

Or maybe it's just Jews love money/ manipulate the banks.

[Varrok]

So you want only local media? Like, a no to internet?

[STM]

Acting ignorant to semantics makes more of a statement about you than anything else, Varrok.

[Slugology]

i thought Global Media WAS the jews?

[Vlam]

Ironically, "Global media" and STM (about islam) are on the same side.

[EVP_Glukkon]

I hate all religion, but Islam in particular because at least Christianity as evolved to be a pretty passive thing. You say grace over dinner, go to Church and get married under god. The most violent passages in the Bible have been forgotten and are being ignored by mainstream believers.

Wrong.

Christianity is split in to two parts:
1. Old Testament - Use of Force to uphold God's law
2. New Testament - No enforcement, repentance through Christ.

It is believed that Pope Urban II generated a propaganda campaign that described atrocities being commited by Muslims of the Levant, to encourage Christians to take up arms. Not to mention the Military, economical and Political benifits involved in a successful campaign.

It took all of these factors to warrant a Crusade that had mainstream Catholics from all walks of life pick up arms to fight for God despite the ruling of the New Testament.

Today in the 21st Century, the only Militiant Christian groups we see, are hyrbid off-shoots that have their own homebrew version of what they want Christianity to be, taking up arms for various causes, OR you have Christian armed militia forces fighting Muslim Militias in Africa.

The purpose of my picture, was to indicate that the difference between a group like ISIS and mainstream Muslims, is by action only, not belief. Under the correct circumstances, there is justification for Muslims to enter in to direct combat with infidels today

Christianity however, does not contain any justifcation to enter in to direct combat with anyone, and again I state very clearly that the only time in History where mainstream Christians took up arms, involved economical, political, and military interests.

It has nothing to do with mainstream believers 'ignoring' passages.

[Varrok]

Acting ignorant to semantics makes more of a statement about you than anything else, Varrok.

I am not the one ignoring the semantics, I'm not defending a political system that's fundamentally bound to a religion which people kill for and then say "It's not that bad because majority of them doesn't kill". Go ahead and tell that to the victims' families.

Of course they doesn't. If they did, we'd all be dead now. We aren't. Hooray! Only a few hundred got murdered in the last few months, and a couple of thousands got injured. That's the furthest from a majority of people dead as can be, therefore it's good and acceptable.

And it's not like the massive immigration of Muslims tried to push us into accepting Sharia Law, ritual slaughter of animals (because it's totally not a retarded thing to do, and a very cultural thing). It's also not like they assimilated well enough to make a no-go zones that even police fears to visit in a few countries. That's just a work of fiction created by the global media, the same global media that work their asses off to cover that. It makes sense.

Too bad they already deleted the YT video "#CALLBRUSSELS" (you can still find parodies of it though, with the original voices) which says, and I quote:

Well, actually it's the media that's made the whole fuzz about it, but nothing is happening.

Phew, for a minute I was worried there were two bombs going off, killing 31 people and injuring hundreds more. I guess that was a fake, along with the multiple videos of it happening.

The attacks in France (including multiple rapes) also didn't happen. The Charlie Hebdo redactors probably killed themselves in order to gain attention. Such a clever manipulation.

Guess I was wrong all along, sorry. These deaths in the name of Islam didn't actually happen. I love Islam

[Havoc]

Does a racist moron stick his hand up your arse and work your mouth to make you say these things are do you do it of your own volition? Show me some statistics that prove violent passages in the Koran are not ignored/are practiced, by the majority of Muslims.

Oh right, so because it's not the majority doing it that makes it all okay? As long as it's less than 50% we should just all accept it as a few rogue elements, even though Islamic terrorism and violence has been a pretty much non-stop factor in the world for the past 30+ years. Yea, sure, okay.

[Xorlidyr]

Varrok, that is one way to perceive it. Via hatred. Extremely counterproductive.

I love Islam. I do not hate it. We hate what is given to us on a dish to hate. Yet we are powerless and hating is simply burning our lifes out.

The power is in accepting the situation as it is and trying to cause what you wish without hating.

Hatred makes us blind and ignorant to others. It also wastes our mind.

[Varrok]

Varrok, that is one way to perceive it. Via hatred. Extremely counterproductive.

It certainly it a way to perceive thing. Unfortunately it's not mine, as it fits more to the people going and actually killing others.

My vision is not biased, I don't hate. I don't want anyone dead, which is basically why I am opposed to systems promoting killing people. Like Islam.

[Nepsotic]

Gishy, I think of all people, you are not someone who can tell other people they are "wasting their mind".
Mindlessly hating something is just as dumb as mindlessly loving something. Go away and think about that.

This should not happen. Traditions should not simply disappear.

What you've just said is that irrationality is fine as long as we've been doing it for hundreds of years.
Bullfighting is traditional, it's also abhorrent and despicable. There's loads of traditions we no longer adhere to so that is such a non-point. Utterly irrelevant.

STM has been hacked by FA

I thought we had all agreed that they are the same person?

[Xorlidyr]

Your vision IS biased. Much more than you think. Especially since you say that more people think like this. It is called crowd bias.

This is not the religion promoting killing. The religion is just a way for people to justify themselves. They avenge what was done to their homelands (remember Russia and the USA ravaging Middle East), because most Middle Eastern people are hot blooded and highly patriotic. It does not mean, that we have the right to wipe out the whole Middle East, which was the centre of art and culture in Middle Ages.

There are terrorists from Georgia in Russia. They are Christian.

And one more thing. I talked with many Muslims and they say, that terrorists are neither Sunni, nor Shia, because Sunni and Shia Islamic dogma says that they should not attack any foreigner unless the foreigner attacks them. They say, that their terrorists are their shame and they shall burn in Jehennam (Hell), because what they do is not what Mohammed said.

[Nepsotic]

It does not mean, that we have the right to wipe out the whole Middle East

Who here is saying that?