Faith -

Statikk HDM · #**181** 08-11-2006, 02:39 AM

7 years in a Christian school to realize it was all a bunch of death-fearing baloney. Those (in)Doctrine(ate) teachers are good.

Nath · #**182** 08-11-2006, 09:29 AM

If all the christians you know fear death, then they're not true Christians.
I don't fear death and neither do any other christian that I know. For us christians, we know we're going to a better place after we do die.

I use to think the bible was full of balony, but when I became a christian then born-again, I started to understand more about it.

The parts that get me really interested is everything about spirits. There are spirits everywhere, there are lots of different spirits. More than one spirit can inhabit one body. Pain can be a spirit, fear can be a spirit, dissabilities can be spirits, even death is a spirit.

To know that christians have the same power as Jesus has (of course Jesus still being the almighty), we can help remove evil spirits from bodies and heal pain and dissability. And in alot of times death can be revearsed.

Havoc · #**183** 08-11-2006, 09:56 AM

If you realy believe that, then I have a question for you.

You say that a true Christian does not fear death and that when you do eventualy die you go to a better place. What is stopping you from just killing yourself and get it over with? If I would believe that, I would do anything to get out of this shithole we call earth.

Jacob · #**184** 08-11-2006, 10:13 AM

"What is stopping you from just killing yourself and get it over with? If I would believe that, I would do anything to get out of this shithole we call earth."

Suicide is a mortal sin, Chuckles.

I've always said, however, that if i ever got Cancer i wouldn't accept medical treatment. ...well, that's if i continue not to feel guilt over family going "Merrr! Get Chemo!"

Quiet, Wench *Slap*

Havoc · #**185** 08-11-2006, 10:27 AM

Okay so... suicide is a mortal sin. But even then, are Christians then actualy hoping to die as soon as possible?

Nath · #**186** 08-11-2006, 10:45 AM

I knew you were going to ask that question, havoc.

I don't really know the bible that well, but the pastor of my church once said that 'no where in the bible does it say about suicide being a sin.'
Christians can commit suicide and still go to heaven. The reason we don't is because life on earth is a gift from god and he wants us to live on here as they do in heaven. That's why it says in the Lords Prayer; 'on earth as it is in heaven.'
Then when we do die, the better life will be for eternity.

The longest life that is recorded in the bible is something like 960. I can't remember who it was, i'll have to look it up.

Havoc · #**187** 08-11-2006, 11:02 AM

Well then with the crap thats going on now everywhere I'm surprised Christians arn't massively commiting suicide (that would be fun

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And if life (as it is now) is a GIFT from god, then he is one person I am not inviting on my birthday!

Nath · #**188** 08-11-2006, 11:18 AM

You're right there, Havoc. There are so many christians, so few lions.

Jesus is described as being like a lion in a few scriptures (That's why (I think) Aslan's a lion in Narnia).
I've heard a few different services talking about being a lion like Jesus, they're very interesting. You may even get something from it, Havoc

Kamille · #**189** 08-11-2006, 11:30 AM

I've shot bigger animals then lions

Anyway yeah Nath I know that Arpachshad or something lived 438 years, I don't believe it but my brother-in-law is always trying to convert me by telling me these stories.

Nath · #**190** 08-11-2006, 11:53 AM

I'm not familiar with Arpachshad or something. But people in the old testament did live for hundreds of years.

Death is a spirit brought on by sin. It's the only certainty in our lives because we have sinned and we do sin. The reason people like Noah, Moses, Jeremiah and Adam lived for so long is because they lived by faith and faith alone.

If your brother-in-law is trying to convert you by telling stories of people who lived for a long time, and it isn't working, (I assume he's a Christian) you should ask him about the thing that got me interested in it all, spirits. I mentioned it earlier on. Spirits are incredible things. If he doesn't know much about them, you can always ask me. Send me a PM. The same goes with everyone else who would like to know.

Havoc · #**191** 08-11-2006, 12:57 PM

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Jesus is described as being like a lion in a few scriptures (That's why (I think) Aslan's a lion in Narnia).
I've heard a few different services talking about being a lion like Jesus, they're very interesting. You may even get something from it, Havoc

Don't you ever insult big cats again! Ever ever ever! *Cries*

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Even though I'm sure a service would be very interesting, I couldn't go to it without messing the entire thing up. At the very least I'l burst out into laughter :P. So me going into a church for any other reason then mocking it = bad idea.
Not that I wouldn't enjoy completely ruining a service, but even I have my morals. One of them is to respect what others want to believe in as long as it doesn't bother me. Something Christians have yet to learn.

Statikk HDM · #**192** 08-11-2006, 01:26 PM

If life is so ****ing precious why did God repeatedly call for slaughter, enslavement, and infanticide? What God does speaks so loudly I can't even hear what the tyrant is saying.

Havoc · #**193** 08-11-2006, 01:37 PM

The bible is a book full of contradictions. And thats exactly what they should call it: Big Book of Contradictions.

Or, to keep the word B.I.B.L.E: Big Idiotic Book Lacking Erotics

Jacob · #**194** 08-11-2006, 01:43 PM

"I don't really know the bible that well, but the pastor of my church once said that 'no where in the bible does it say about suicide being a sin.'"

Oh, the commandment 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' must've been a made-up thing. ...like Santa. ...or Equal Rights for Negroids.

***Nate*** · #**195** 08-12-2006, 01:08 AM

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If all the christians you know fear death, then they're not true Christians.
I don't fear death and neither do any other christian that I know. For us christians, we know we're going to a better place after we do die.

See, that's what I don't get about many of the christians I've met; how can you be so sure that you're going to the better place?

And if your response is to say that you've accepted Christ as your saviour and that he died for your sins, then I say that that is an immoral viewpoint because it immediately gives you free reign to do whatever you want as long as you recant before you die.

In Judiasm there is the concept that there is no repentance without restitution; if you've wronged someone you must do your best the make it up to them. Prayer to God can only absolve personal sins but interpersonal sins (ie wronging another person) must involve some sort of apology.

Rich · #**196** 08-12-2006, 03:13 AM

Judaism is the best of a bad lot anyway. At least its considered bad to convert people, and it recognises peoples freedom to choose what they want to be (except obviously in the case of forcing religion onto children, but every religion does that). And even though they somewhat arrogantly believe themselves superior, they don't go around killing everyone else because of it.

Oh noez! I posted in a religion thread!

Jacob · #**197** 08-12-2006, 05:50 AM

"how can you be so sure that you're going to the better place?"

...anything would be better than the shissen-holen that we currently fester in.

Kamille · #**198** 08-12-2006, 01:49 PM

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I'm not familiar with Arpachshad or something. But people in the old testament did live for hundreds of years.

Death is a spirit brought on by sin. It's the only certainty in our lives because we have sinned and we do sin. The reason people like Noah, Moses, Jeremiah and Adam lived for so long is because they lived by faith and faith alone.

If your brother-in-law is trying to convert you by telling stories of people who lived for a long time, and it isn't working, (I assume he's a Christian) you should ask him about the thing that got me interested in it all, spirits. I mentioned it earlier on. Spirits are incredible things. If he doesn't know much about them, you can always ask me. Send me a PM. The same goes with everyone else who would like to know.

Actually hes muslim, but it doesn't matter to me I'm wasn't a christian in the first place my mom just made my go to sunday school when I was like 9, I'm way to materialistic and selfish to ever be saved =)

***Wil*** · #**199** 08-12-2006, 02:05 PM

Never fear, John! I'll save you!

***Nate*** · #**200** 08-13-2006, 03:13 AM

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And even though they somewhat arrogantly believe themselves superior

In my never-ending and somewhat tedious (for others, I mean) pursuit of the truth regarding my people, I must point out that the whole "Chosen People" thing has been taken completely out of context. 'Chosen' doesn't necessarily mean 'favourite'. It means chosen to bear the responsibility of the Torah - Jews must follow 613 commandments rather than just 7 that everone else is instructed with.

Statikk HDM · #**201** 08-13-2006, 09:27 AM

Chosen most definately doesn't mean favorite, look at all the terrible things God supposedly has done to them.

Jacob · #**202** 08-13-2006, 11:47 AM

"Chosen most definately doesn't mean favorite, look at all the terrible things God supposedly has done to them."

Dilly-dally, shilly-shally.

When a little boy likes a little girl, he'll pull her hair, kick her and call her names. Stop being naive Stat, of course Jews are his favourite.

"Jews must follow 613 commandments rather than just 7 that everone else is instructed with"

Not to pour Salt and all, but you can't expect him to say "Here, have less commandments to follow" after the whole 'Je' to the 'Sus' fiasco, can you?

Abe 01 · #**203** 08-13-2006, 12:07 PM

If there was a god hed have got bored with us and used us as marshmellows.
If heaven is in the clouds how comes airoplanes havnt chopped the angels up
p.s wiccans rock cos rachel's one

Kamille · #**204** 08-13-2006, 03:30 PM

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If there was a god hed have got bored with us and used us as marshmellows.
If heaven is in the clouds how comes airoplanes havnt chopped the angels up
p.s wiccans rock cos rachel's one

Because its not in the clouds.

Rex Tirano · #**205** 08-13-2006, 03:51 PM

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If there was a god hed have got bored with us and used us as marshmellows.

When you think about it, the universe has been around for billions of years. Dinosaurs ruled the earth for billions upon billions of years, and humans have only really been around for 5000 years. So to say God would become "bored" is silly, we're just a new play thing.

I think problems arise when people take religious books [like the bibles] way to... Um... Well, word for word. I'll elaborate later when I'm less tired.

- Rexy

Havoc · #**206** 08-13-2006, 03:51 PM

John is right. It is not in the clouds. It is in the minds of teh peoplez.
Heaven is not high in the sky either. As far as I know we have been to the moon and I don't recall God telling us all hello on public television.

Kamille · #**207** 08-13-2006, 04:20 PM

thats because the moon landing was fake

Rex Tirano · #**208** 08-13-2006, 04:25 PM

Or infact the moon doesn't exist.

http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

Enjoi.

- Rexy

Havoc · #**209** 08-13-2006, 04:47 PM

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thats because the moon landing was fake

So is religion but I don't hear anyone bitching about that.

Kimon · #**210** 08-13-2006, 04:57 PM

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So is religion but I don't hear anyone bitching about that.

Umm... yes you do?

In other news, faith is naught but hope. I personally do not believe any "God" is real, although I sorta wish I did, because it'd be a real nice crutch to lean on.