Who should be the next Fan Corner moderator? (Poll)

[Vlam]

By the way, I'm not against "progress". I have always been a supporter of the speedrunning community.

[STM]

Ladies and gentlemen, the favourite candidate of the OWF Conservative Movement.

If we admit that Vlam has problems communicating, whether that's due to English being his second language, or the fact that he just can't be arsed to post more than four words at a time, why would we want to make him a mod? Can we not see the problems with that? To be honest, there have been times I've tried to speak to Vlam in my limited French, and he's still offered up single sentence replies, so I don't believe it's a language thing.

Let's not forget that above and beyond his usual low-burn shit-baggery, his taking the piss out of members' artistic ability not long ago, his genuine horrible responses to people on here going through problems, and his refusal to use correct pronouns when talking to trans/gender fluid forum members makes him a pretty gross person in all respects.

Can we just be fucking real here? If we all want to make a concerted effort to fix this place to the best of our ability, and if having a new global mod is on the table, I think without doubt the best person for the job is J_dude. He's a caring and compassionate person, with a vested interest the survival of this place. He's balanced and measured, and he also has semi-regular contact with Lorne, which is a bonus if we want to arrange any sort of correspondence between OWI and OWF.

If the Admins are actually vaguely interested in having a new mod on here, they could work with an ounce of urgency and come to a decision, so that we have another person at the controls to make sure things are running smoothly. If they aren't interested, they should just say so so that this needlessly divisive thread can be closed. That's my two cents anyway.

[Varrok]

[STM]

Trash dove for Global Mod.

[RoryF]

as long as they can clear out varrok's SHIT memes then we'll all be okay.

[Havoc]

If the Admins are actually vaguely interested in having a new mod on here, they could work with an ounce of urgency and come to a decision, so that we have another person at the controls to make sure things are running smoothly. If they aren't interested, they should just say so so that this needlessly divisive thread can be closed. That's my two cents anyway.

This basically sums up the entire situation right now.

[Vlam]

J_Dude and Lanning being Facebook "friends" is totally irrelevant. A moderator is like a janitor. Nothing more, nothing less. Yet, those who are supporting J_Dude want him to be more than that which is a good reason to discard him.

Someone like Havoc (neutral) would be a better choice.

[STM]

You'd have to explain your metaphor to me; janitor's tend not to have the ability to arrest people for breaking the law.

[Nate]

Right now I think I'd prefer just to shut down the forums rather than put up with y'all for one more day.

[Varrok]

Nate's slowly becoming Alcar, someone do something!

[Nepsotic]

I'd be a sick moderator

[kjjcarpenter]

Nate's slowly becoming Alcar, someone do something!

Nah, Alcar wouldn't actually do it. Too much work. Nate's Iron Fist of Apathy, however, is very capable of dealing out swift and brutal punishment.

J_Dude and Lanning being Facebook "friends" is totally irrelevant.

I agree.

If the Admins are actually vaguely interested in having a new mod on here, they could work with an ounce of urgency and come to a decision, so that we have another person at the controls to make sure things are running smoothly. If they aren't interested, they should just say so so that this needlessly divisive thread can be closed.

I also agree. I still don't think we need a new moderator. Why not give Splat a buzz and see if he's interested in stopping by every once in a while? Or even Wil, who just posted, ironically.

Even a few multis and some porn posts—the recent ones of which I'm convinced were only posted because of this thread—aren't going to send anyone scuttling away from the forums before they are deleted. Xavier still comes everyday, Nate is a frequent face, and Alcar is still our chosen saviour, watching over us silently from above. A new moderator seems like a non-sequitur to me.

[horiZon]

I vote for Vennec. Cause i like foxes & on the other Hand i don't know anyone here that good to promote them up.

PS: i thought the Forum is dead, why is it needing an Mod?!

[MrsKJJ]

HoriZon, I love your signature. It is so relevant right now.

[Slog Bait]

You guys know it's possible to support someone without shitting on the people you view as opposition




right?

[Nepsotic]

Don't be a fucking idiot

[Lord Vhazen]

Okay since you guys are still all getting butthurt at each other I may as well chip in again.

A lot of people here seem to be reacting to this whole idea based on reasons of personal interest. Most of you guys are either flaming each other, fucking around, or whining because some one you don't like is getting votes.

I think what's really going on is a lot of you guys are more worried about a change of /social status/ than the actual meaning behind being a mod for these forums. And I for one /DO/ believe we could actually use another mod - maybe two more even, just to keep things a little more active and clean.

Xaviar and Nate are not useless, they do actually perform their duties here at a reasonable level of frequency. However, they have lives, and they're just two guys - and I haven't even seen the other mods even LOG IN since I've made my account here, save for Alcar every now and then. The last three spam-trolls who showed up since the last two weeks stuck around for several hours before anyone was able to respond to the reports - forgive me if I'm remembering wrong, but I think the first of the three multis stuck around for like a day.

I'm not saying this place needs to be air-tight, but really, how would having a new mod ACTUALLY HURT the forums? That's the thing here that NO ONE seems to give a good argument towards. Everyone against this is just like "Muueeeaarrrrr but whats the point lol were so SHIT and SMOLL and DED theres no hope lel". And honestly it's hard to sympathize with that attitude.

A mod may not necessarily spark activity in the /community/, but just a little extra help would at least make things a bit more professional. And just look at this thread... Imagine how embarrassed we as a community should be - Lorne would roll his eyes so hard at all of this that his eyeballs would roll down his skull and come out of his asshole.

I think at this point Alcar and the others should decide on specific individuals that they themselves feel would ACTUALLY make good, logical candidates, and just make us vote for them, and screw all the third party voting because apparently we can't handle it without devolving into a bunch of shit posts. Fuck the third parties.

Come on, sing it with me.

#Fuck the third parties!

#FUCK THE THIRD PARTIES!!!!

FUCK THE THIRD PARTIES IN THE A, AND HAVE A NICE DAY!

J_Dude and Lanning being Facebook "friends" is totally irrelevant. A moderator is like a janitor. Nothing more, nothing less. Yet, those who are supporting J_Dude want him to be more than that which is a good reason to discard him.

Also, this makes no sense to me and I think it proves my point that everyone here is just butthurt at each other. Sure Jaydee being friends with Lanning doesn't necessarily mean he should /automatically/ be our mod, but it's a plus, isn't it? It does tie us together with OWI a bit better and it could potentially give us more leverage and influence over the future of Oddworld. The only reason you say it's totally irrelevant is because you don't like him - if you were friends with Jaydee then you'd be using this as an example of why he's a better choice.

Lorne does apparently read the forums after all, he looks into our wants as the fans to decide what kind of product to give us.

"Wanting Jaydee to be more than a janitor is dumb and we should discard him because of that" isn't very convincing. I'm more sympathetic towards him now honestly because he seems more mature here. And that should be our main point to consider for this job - maturity.

Even if someone is very "opinionated", that wouldn't matter if they were fucking mature and would be able to put this drama bullshit behind them enough to get the job done, and avoid being an asshole or abuse the power somehow. Maybe all this drama bullshit is all the more reason we need more mods.

EDIT: Looking at the way the votes are going, Jaydee's probably just gonna win because of this thread anyway. But I think this should all be a lesson for us - we can't handle third parties without going ape shit. And that's really fucking sad....

[UnderTheSun]

Okay since you guys are still all getting butthurt at each other I may as well chip in again.

A lot of people here seem to be reacting to this whole idea based on reasons of personal interest. Most of you guys are either flaming each other, fucking around, or whining because some one you don't like is getting votes.

This thread's actually pretty calm (well, compared to the average 4chan thread, at least). Everyone's just sort of throwing their 2 cents in now and then, and most tension is eased by self-restraint. The so-called flame war here is only an illusion.

Heck, the only outright flame-ish behavior in this thread seems to come from people who've fallen for this illusion, and think they need to respond in kind to flame posts that aren't there. There simply is no spoon. Calling users butthurt who've done nothing wrong is self-defeating.

For example, and I don't mean to push buttons (that's Nep's job 'round these parts), you've said this:

Even if someone is very "opinionated", that wouldn't matter if they were fucking mature and would be able to put this drama bullshit behind them enough to get the job done, and avoid being an asshole or abuse the power somehow. Maybe all this drama bullshit is all the more reason we need more mods.

You seem to want to act as the voice of reason, yet you're flinging insults and swear words at users that have behaved with the best self-restraint they could manage. You consider this thread a flame war that must be extinguished, yet if it exists, you have only made it burn hotter, rather than contribute to its return to productiveness.

In addition, you say that this "drama bullshit" is a choice of moderator being taken too seriously, but you yourself jumped to the conclusion that there is some sort of grand conspiracy going on:

As for cliques, it's clear to me now that Vlam and Carpenter are working together against Jaydee for some reason, and I take offense to this kind of stubidness. I don't care what kind of invisible war you guys are having, this is petty and it needs to stop.

Flinging baseless accusations at users who only wish to contribute to a thread, and have their points considered, is hardly constructive (not to mention this means you, in your own words, are going apeshit over third party votes).

I voted for JayDee because he seems like he could help get an influx of new users comfortable (in part by giving the forums a pleasant atmosphere, which is what moderators do). Vlam and Carpenter bring up good points as to how that won't happen, and that we need to focus on restoring community bonds, and I can respect that.

Your posts kind of do the opposite of both: you're acting pretty hostile, which scares away users looking for a friendly community, and you're inciting hostility in the community itself.


If this isn't what you wanted to achieve, I'd recommend putting less effort into trying to sound like the only sane person here, and more effort into taking the role of an arbiter. Do you see that people are at each other's throats? Going berserk on the one you like less won't ease tension, but easing their dispute into mutual understanding will.

[Lord Vhazen]

In addition, you say that this "drama bullshit" is a choice of moderator being taken too seriously, but you yourself jumped to the conclusion that there is some sort of grand conspiracy going on

I've received multiple PM's from multiple people explaining some things to me because they felt I should be in the loop, at least a little. For the sake of not continuing this drama, I won't share too much. But I've been told that there is sort of a clan war going on right now behind the scenes and there has been for some time. The people involved will know what I'm talking about, and I for one hope we can all just come together and settle things. At this point I think Jaydee is probably the best candidate for the job, though I'm not really against Fennec either - I haven't seen much of her but she seems nice and reasonable.

Anyway, you're probably right in confronting me for my reaction to all of this - and since I've only been fed bits and pieces, I may be misinterpreting things and I may be wrong about the alleged perpetrators. But I stand by what I said. I see a lot of passive aggressiveness here. I agree though - my behavior isn't necessarily helping.

[JayDee]

I'm avoiding posting much more here to try and avoid any further unnecessary confrontations. But I'd like to stress the point that: I never said I was friends with Lorne. I have him on Facebook and have spoken to him a handful of times regarding my projects. That's it. We're not arranging coffee dates and I don't have my grubby slig paw in OWI's pocket. (As much as I'd treasure the fuzzy pocket lint)

[UnderTheSun]

I've received multiple PM's from multiple people explaining some things to me because they felt I should be in the loop, at least a little. For the sake of not continuing this drama, I won't share too much. But I've been told that there is sort of a clan war going on right now behind the scenes and there has been for some time. The people involved will know what I'm talking about, and I for one hope we can all just come together and settle things.

I highly doubt this "clan war" is at the level you suspect it to be. Communities tend to have users like some of their peers, and dislike others, but that doesn't mean we're in some kind of Game of Thrones situation. Don't get me wrong, I think that'd be kind of cool, but I just don't see how we're experiencing Fallout-level societal collapse just because the admins can't spend every hour of every day here.

Besides, if there really is serious division in this community, then how does your behavior (which, with all due respect, borders on flame bait) do anything to mend the fault lines? And how does that factor into this perceived third party drama, when appointing the godfather of Clan A would do nothing but rouse the anger of Clan B?

Whatever tension there is in this community, we can do better than self-defeating rage. Varrok's Discord has served as an excellent way for users to converse and share their thoughts with the accessibility of threads and the fluidity of private messages. I feel like that is a good start.

Edit: By the way, what reason is there for me not to recieve similar PMs? If you recieved PMs of that nature just for being new here, why not just give rundowns to every new user here? Something doesn't add up.

[Lord Vhazen]

I highly doubt this "clan war" is at the level you suspect it to be. Communities tend to have users like some of their peers, and dislike others, but that doesn't mean we're in some kind of Game of Thrones situation. Don't get me wrong, I think that'd be kind of cool, but I just don't see how we're experiencing Fallout-level societal collapse just because the admins can't spend every hour of every day here.

Besides, if there really is serious division in this community, then how does your behavior (which, with all due respect, borders on flame bait) do anything to mend the fault lines? And how does that factor into this perceived third party drama, when appointing the godfather of Clan A would do nothing but rouse the anger of Clan B?

Whatever tension there is in this community, we can do better than self-defeating rage. Varrok's Discord has served as an excellent way for users to converse and share their thoughts with the accessibility of threads and the fluidity of private messages. I feel like that is a good start.

I guess you didn't see my edited post.
Anyway though - like I said before I think the reason people are taking this election so seriously may be because of this weird mini-war. And frankly, if "godfather A" gets put into power, I think it'd be up to clan B to just grow up and deal with it for the simple fact that it is just a moderator position. The new guy (or girl) isn't just gonna go banning people they don't like for no reason.

[UnderTheSun]

And frankly, if "godfather A" gets put into power, I think it'd be up to clan B to just grow up and deal with it for the simple fact that it is just a moderator position. The new guy (or girl) isn't just gonna go banning people they don't like for no reason.

That's not the kind of attitude we should have going into this.

An ideal moderator is just that, a moderator; someone neutral in whatever the heck is happening on the forum, and who respects the views of all of its users. If we're going to resolve whatever division you think is simmering, then we need to have that kind of mindset; otherwise, we've failed before we've even started.

[Slog Bait]

Don't be a fucking idiot

I can't help it, it's in my blood

[JayDee]

Can we all just agree to deescalate this situation? You guys both voted for me and you're arguing about there being too many arguments. It's true that there's been some degree of a turf war between certain members. But that situation is largely independent of the need for more moderation and this thread's purpose, except for the way it may sway some people's votes.

[Lord Vhazen]

Can we all just agree to deescalate this situation? You guys both voted for me and you're arguing about there being too many arguments. It's true that there's been some degree of a turf war between certain members. But that situation is largely independent of the need for more moderation and this thread's purpose, except for the way it may sway some people's votes.

Agreed. Also, to be completely fair, I think we should ignore this turf war when it comes to our votes and focus more on the individual and the quality of their character as opposed to their reputation. For example, even if voting Jaydee means you're picking some kind of side in some weird invisible war, that doesn't change that for me personally, I think he's a mature and reasonable candidate. I don't care how many people secretly hate him and vice versa.

Back on Fennec though... She still seems alright to be honest. People aren't talking about her as much right now though. I don't know if that's a good or a bad sign.

[kjjcarpenter]

I don't care how many people secretly hate him and vice versa.

I never said I hated him, I just don't think he's got the right character to be a moderator. I've provided my reasons and I don't really have anything else to say on the subject. He's a fine artist with an obvious passion for Oddworld—that doesn't mean he'll be a great arbiter.

[STM]

I'm avoiding posting much more here to try and avoid any further unnecessary confrontations. But I'd like to stress the point that: I never said I was friends with Lorne. I have him on Facebook and have spoken to him a handful of times regarding my projects. That's it. We're not arranging coffee dates and I don't have my grubby slig paw in OWI's pocket. (As much as I'd treasure the fuzzy pocket lint)

I have photographic evidence that suggests otherwise, Joshua.

[Lord Vhazen]

I have photographic evidence that suggests otherwise, Joshua.

[Xorlidyr]

I am the next Offtopic moderator.

I promise:
- fractured OWF;
- the deadest forum;
- Alcar back.

I like to break my promises, too.