Retro Asylum interview with Lorne Lanning and talk about Oddworld and lots more

[Manco]

Oddworld the card battle game

i would legit hoard shiny stranger cards

[SIADmander]

Mudok: The Gathering

[Nate]

Am I the only person finding he agrees with more of what vlam says than disagrees?

For what it's worth: Lorne wrote the outline of the AO script. IIRC, he hired a screenwriter for the Citizen Siege film, but I don't know how far the AO film had gotten.

[Vlam]

A draft is a script, vlam.

English isn't my native language, but I know it isn't the same thing :

draft ‎(plural drafts)

An early version of a written work [also spelled draught].

I have to revise the first draft of my term paper.

script ‎(plural scripts)

The written document containing the dialogue and action for a drama; the text of a stage play, movie, or other performance. Especially, the final form used for the performance itself.

Do you see the difference between an "early version" and the final form ?

Am I the only person finding he agrees with more of what vlam says than disagrees?

Thank you Nate, which part do you agree with ?

[FrustratedAssassin]

Am I the only person finding he agrees with more of what vlam says than disagrees?

Probably. vlam just reeks of troll. His point of view is so distorted he might just as well be looking at Oddworld through a kaleidoscope.

[Xavier]

I'm not sure Vlam is a troll, he sounds more like someone who's been terribly let down with OWI's work. I think his points would come across way better if he didn't sound so aggressive about it, something that might be caused by the fact that his English isn't that good. I sympathize on that point, getting my points across wasn't too easy with my broken English a few years ago.

[Nepsotic]

I don't think it's how he gets his point across There's nothing wrong with being harsh, they're just dumb points is all.

[Vlam]

You are right, Xavier.

I don't understand Nepsotic and FrustratedAssassin : if you think that I'm a troll or an idiot, good for you (even if you can't say "why"). Just ignore me. I get it : you aren't freedom of speech defenders.

[Holy Sock]

English isn't my native language, but I know it isn't the same thing :

draft ‎(plural drafts)

An early version of a written work [also spelled draught].

I have to revise the first draft of my term paper.

script ‎(plural scripts)

The written document containing the dialogue and action for a drama; the text of a stage play, movie, or other performance. Especially, the final form used for the performance itself.

Do you see the difference between an "early version" and the final form ?



Thank you Nate, which part do you agree with ?

Vlam, when people discuss film scripts during various stages of production they call it a draft. It may not end up being the final script used during actual production but it's still a full 90+ page script fully written out with dialogue, action etc. It's not just a general outline.

Writers etc just call them "drafts". As in "this is the fourth draft of the script" - which means the script has been rewritten 4 times. The shooting script is generally known as the "final draft", vlam.

Your objection that somehow a draft of the Oddworld movie script existing has little merit makes no sense. Even though it isn't the finalised script it's still a fully written script. I'm actually trying to be informative, here.

[Vlam]

Vlam, when people discuss film scripts during various stages of production they call it a draft. It may not end up being the final script used during actual production but it's still a full 90+ page script fully written out with dialogue, action etc. It's not just a general outline.

Writers etc just call them "drafts". As in "this is the fourth draft of the script" - which means the script has been rewritten 4 times. The shooting script is generally known as the "final draft", vlam.

Your objection that somehow a draft of the Oddworld movie script existing has little merit makes no sense. Even though it isn't the finalised script it's still a fully written script. I'm actually trying to be informative, here.

You know full well what "script" implied. So, how do you know "it's a full 90+ page script fully written" in AO's movie case ? Are you a believer or an insider ? Whereas I can trust that there is a "draft" of it because, frankly, it could be anything (like just one more idea of Lanning who has plenty of it). Furthermore, read Nate's post. Also, I remember (in 2008, I guess) just one picture (Abe and Big Face) with the announce of this "film". It's very thin.

[Holy Sock]

You're still not getting it, vlam. A draft is still a script. I can write out a 90 page script for some film I plan on making and then I can call it a "draft" when I talk about it. "My current draft" etc etc. But it's still a script. It's just not the finalised shooting script. And since no Oddworld movie is in production any script that Lorne has written is going to be referred to as a draft. I knew full well what script implied because that's what I meant. Just because I said someone's read a draft doesn't, in anyway, go against that.

And, as I've said, we know it exists because people have talked about it. OWF's very own Wil for one. I'm telling you, vlam, this is what these words mean when you talk about scripts and screenwriting. You're kind of just trying to argue for arguments sake now.

[Nepsotic]

cringe

[Vlam]

Holy Sock : you're only argument is "And, as I've said, we know it exists because people have talked about it." ? So there is also a script of Sligstorm, Hands of Odd and Squeek's (because we've talked about it) ? Am I really the one who is trolling here ?

[SIADmander]

No. An employee at the company has told us.

[Nate]

And, as I've said, we know it exists because people have talked about it. OWF's very own Wil for one.

[CITATION NEEDED]

[kjjcarpenter]

You're still not getting it, vlam. A draft is still a script.

This debate is far too semantic for my liking, but technically, vlam is correct. At least in the publishing industry, a draft is considered any preliminary version of a written work, and a manuscript is considered the polished version, which you would feel confident sending off to an agent/publisher. I don't know about the film industry, but I'd imagine it's the same.

You can surely make both words malleable, which is one of the biggest fallacies of English language—there are too many overlaps—but it's just easier to give each of them a concrete meaning. It avoids ambiguity.

[Nepsotic]

Holy shit, it doesn't even matter.

[Vlam]

Don't worry, kjjcarpenter : he knows it, it's obvious, not rocket science. He said "Wil on these forums has even read a draft of it" not "Wil on these forums has even read the script".

Anyway, these pictures are the only thing, for now, Oddworld movie related : http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...p?/category/20

[OWI_Alex]

Don't worry, kjjcarpenter : he knows it, it's obvious, not rocket science. He said "Wil on these forums has even read a draft of it" not "Wil on these forums has even read the script".

Anyway, these pictures are the only thing, for now, Oddworld movie related : http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...p?/category/20

The only thing public, sure.

[Vlam]

The only thing public, sure.

Yes, of course. You also have Squeek's Oddysee in alpha stage .

[Holy Sock]

This debate is far too semantic for my liking, but technically, vlam is correct. At least in the publishing industry, a draft is considered any preliminary version of a written work, and a manuscript is considered the polished version, which you would feel confident sending off to an agent/publisher. I don't know about the film industry, but I'd imagine it's the same.

You can surely make both words malleable, which is one of the biggest fallacies of English language—there are too many overlaps—but it's just easier to give each of them a concrete meaning. It avoids ambiguity.

It's not. In the film industry they call versions of the script drafts. For example, Paddy Considine said his film Tyrannosaur was shot with the first draft of his script. Some films go through multiple drafts. But what's important is that these drafts aren't outlines. They're full scripts with dialogue and action written out.

I also work in the film/TV industry and even heard one of the actors talking to one of the writers about film scripts earlier today and they used the word "draft".

I know this is a ridiculous argument about semantics but I'm only getting hung up about this because I don't see why vlam just can't accept that people call film scripts "drafts". I'm not trying to trick anybody.

And since I'm saying a draft is still a film script, vlam, then my use of the word "draft" originally is irrelevant. It still means there's a script. I just used the word "draft" instead.

[kjjcarpenter]

It's not. In the film industry they call versions of the script drafts. For example, Paddy Considine said his film Tyrannosaur was shot with the first draft of his script. Some films go through multiple drafts. But what's important is that these drafts aren't outlines. They're full scripts with dialogue and action written out.

Could we agree that "screenplay" would be a more accurate term to describe a finished script? :P

I think vlam just wants to see some evidence to what has been hinted at over the past few years. Of course, Lorne isn't going to release that sort of information—not unless Oddworld is officially cancelled—because it would render the unrevealed narrative moot.

It is, undeniably, very frustrating for us longtime fans who have been following the series since the beginning, and with no 'new' content in a decade, it is obviously hard to remain faithful. I'm not sure about the movie script/draft/screenplay, but JAW purportedly has access to 15 terabytes—that number may be wrong—of archives, spanning 3,000 years of Oddworld's history. Once again, however, there is no way to attest to this claim.

Essentially, what vlam needs to realise is that, for the time being, there is a definitive future for Oddworld. It's very easy to be skeptical/cynical, especially when you hang around this forum too much, but I prefer to support Lorne, JAW et al, because I believe in the story they are telling.

And if anyone wants to help me get my hands on those archives, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Vlam]

Kjjcarpenter : I agree.

I want to add something : Alex's last post is why I'm against OWI-JAW's employees coming here. It's like "I'm from OWI, I know a lot more than you do, but I can't tell you anything". It's not very "healthy" and professional. And disturbing. I mean, whether you don't come here or you throw a bone to the fans.

That doesn't mean I want him out.

[SIADmander]

Disturbing??? Unhealthy??? What is this, a baby house? OI's fan interaction is fantastic, and not only helps them, but also pretty much stops this forum from dropping completely dead. I for one, think it's awesome. I've never seen a major game developer participate in the fan community to such an extent.

[Vlam]

"I've never seen a major game developer participate in the fan community to such an extent."

Yes, exactly. The other (professional) developers have good reasons to do so. Think about it.

[OWI_Alex]

Kjjcarpenter : I agree.

I want to add something : Alex's last post is why I'm against OWI-JAW's employees coming here. It's like "I'm from OWI, I know a lot more than you do, but I can't tell you anything". It's not very "healthy" and professional. And disturbing. I mean, whether you don't come here or you throw a bone to the fans.

That doesn't mean I want him out.

No worries, I'll leave you to it. Have fun.

[Vlam]

Please stay, I don't want to be held responsible for your departure.

[Nepsotic]

Think about what you've done, Vlam. You just sit there, and you think about what you've done.

[Crashpunk]

"Vlam's views and opinions expressed in this thread are those of the authors and do not
necessarily represent the views Oddworld Forums. Thank You."

[FrustratedAssassin]

And just like that, Oddworld Inhabitants entered a new era of never saying anything publicly ever again, shutting themselves in for hundreds of years, just like the prophecies dictated.

The great minds at Oddworld Inhabitants literally turned into goddamn Glukkons, enslaving the planet. This act will forever be known as "The Great Vlam Fuckup", for Vlam, once thought of as nothing more than a dumb French kid fucked up so badly he caused the fall of mankind and doomed Earth forever.

Please don't go, please don't go
I love you so, I love you so