Citizen Siege Film Announced -

ODD-BOD · #91 11-04-2006, 08:36 AM

It is an absolutly stupid idea to make this film. They got where they are today with ODDWORLD not citizen siege so why risk the change in direction when they can make games which they know will be a success, as far as im concerned they are taking a stab in the dark, and they will probably regret it.

oh yeah.. fogot to add this but if you go to this site http://www.game.co.uk/ComingSoon.aspx?cat=11271 and go to the second page it says you can pre order cs for xbox 360.

Kimon · #92 11-04-2006, 09:26 AM

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why risk the change in direction when they can make games which they know will be a success,

Neither Munch's Oddysey or Stranger's Wrath was a success. That's the problem, idiot.

Bullet Magnet · #93 11-04-2006, 09:32 AM

They need to do a more mainstream story in order to gain the credibilty they need to get support for the production of their Oddysee franchise. This is what they need to do in order to prove that CGI can be used to produce mature films that can be successful. Besides, this is a story of Lorne's, so even though it lacks Oddworlds characters, it will have the same finesse and substance that made the Oddworld stories so compelling.

I say again: this was exactly the same kind of attitude that some fans (including myself) had about Stranger's Wrath when it was announced. This time, I for one will give them the benefit of the doubt, and pledge all my support (not that it'll make much difference).

OANST · #94 11-04-2006, 10:58 AM

I actually liked the idea of Stranger's Wrath from the beginning. This I no likey.

Bullet Magnet · #95 11-04-2006, 11:18 AM

And I soon came around (especially having seen the "The good, the Bad and the Odd" trailer, which just oozed Oddworld.

Citizen Siege oozes Oddworld Inhabitants.

OANST · #96 11-04-2006, 11:34 AM

Yeah? In what way?

Bullet Magnet · #97 11-04-2006, 03:56 PM

The humour, the message, the darkness...

Sassenach · #98 11-04-2006, 04:43 PM

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this was exactly the same kind of attitude that some fans (including myself) had about Stranger's Wrath when it was announced.

I disagree.
I barely remember any ill feeling toward Stranger's Wrath, and any that was there was almost entirely to do with the unimaginative design of the Clakkerz (or, initially, how imaginative the design of the Steef was made to sound in certain articles) when we were used to cool alien designs from the previous games.

This film doesn't interest me in the slightest, and it's got nothing to do with new oddworld inhabitants which don't look as cool as old ones.

SeaRex · #99 11-04-2006, 05:48 PM

Wait wait wait. The country is called Americo? Like, seriously?

C'mon now. That's just lame. They're just taking "America" and replacing the "ca" with an abbreviation for "company." That's hyper-lame. At least in the OW games, they didn't beat you over the head with names.

Successful distopian plot-lines in the past 5 years: Half-Life 2, V for Vendetta. That's about it. XP

Bullet Magnet · #**100** 11-04-2006, 06:08 PM

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I disagree.
I barely remember any ill feeling toward Stranger's Wrath, and any that was there was almost entirely to do with the unimaginative design of the Clakkerz (or, initially, how imaginative the design of the Steef was made to sound in certain articles) when we were used to cool alien designs from the previous games.

That's why I used the disclaimer "some fans".

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Wait wait wait. The country is called Americo? Like, seriously?

C'mon now. That's just lame. They're just taking "America" and replacing the "ca" with an abbreviation for "company." That's hyper-lame. At least in the OW games, they didn't beat you over the head with names.

They did in a way. The industrialists marketed their products with extremely blunt descriptive names. Butt-Flo, Gum-Rot, Le Petit Tumor.

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Successful distopian plot-lines in the past 5 years: Half-Life 2, V for Vendetta. That's about it. XP

Haven't most films set in the future been dystopian?
They did in a way. The industrialists marketed their products with extremely blunt descriptive names. [i]Butt-Flo, Gum rot

SeaRex · #**101** 11-04-2006, 09:12 PM

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They did in a way. The industrialists marketed their products with extremely blunt descriptive names. Butt-Flo, Gum-Rot, Le Petit Tumor.

Those were just extremely minor things used for comic relief. In fact, I don't think I've even heard of those last two, and I've owned all of the OW games. On the other hand, this "Americo" is obviously going to be a pivotal element in the film, making the ultra mega lameness of the name much more relevant.

Really now. Even "Rupture Farms" is more subtle than "Americo." A lot more subtle.

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Haven't most films set in the future been dystopian?

Yes. And most films set in the future have sucked. That's why I said "successful."

***Xavier*** · #**102** 11-05-2006, 02:54 AM

was V for Vendeta realy succesfull?

I can't believe you guys are already rejecting the idea, nothing has been shown and there barely anything said about the content. You take the little info you have, make your own vision with it and say it sucks, wait to see what the folks at OWI do with it.

Slaveless · #**103** 11-05-2006, 03:44 AM

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was V for Vendeta realy succesfull?

I didn't even know it was even that good of a movie.

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Wait wait wait. The country is called Americo? Like, seriously?

C'mon now. That's just lame. They're just taking "America" and replacing the "ca" with an abbreviation for "company." That's hyper-lame. At least in the OW games, they didn't beat you over the head with names.

In this future, the companies wanted change the name of the country into a name that favored their name. Now Lorne did this to not let the auidance lose regonization that was the future of America.

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Neither Munch's Oddysey or Stranger's Wrath was a success. That's the problem, idiot.

MO was actually a bit successful. SW was the one that wasn't.

Well my opinion doesn't change for one. I still believe that this is better than Lorne closing the doors of OWI forever.

***Wil*** · #**104** 11-05-2006, 03:50 AM

SeaRex is only criticising the word ‘Americo’ (just as I only criticised the visual design of Stranger’s Wrath characters, and still got accused of hating the game), but as I’ve already stressed we don’t know if it’s the actual name for America in the film, or just a pun Lorne used to drive the point home.

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They're just taking "America" and replacing the "ca" with an abbreviation for "company." That's hyper-lame.

Thanks for identifying the etymology for us, but it’s really not that different from Paramite or Scrab or Meetle, and it’s more inventive than Greeter, Snoozer, Intern or Outlaw.

Even assuming the word so much as features in the film, it’s going to be a word that’s been coined by a human within the CS universe (and markedly so, since it takes place in the near future), in which case it could be a ‘rebel’ similarly driving the point home, or a ‘corporatist’ rebranding that the ‘rebels’ are as unimpressed with as you are.

SeaRex · #**105** 11-05-2006, 07:38 AM

Don't get me wrong. Like Max said, I'm just criticizing the word; I'm still looking forward to the movie.

Paramites and Scrabs (and to a certain extent, Greeters and Snoozers, etc) are still far more inventive than "Americo." While their names may just be a coupling of words, or just words in general, the creature/objectives themselves are completely unique. Even the Outlaws weren't just a group living on the edge of society; they were an entire race unto themselves.

But when you're going to represent something as cliché as an oppressive totalitarian government, you've got to do better than "Americo." Hell, I couldn't take anything that sounded remotely like "America" seriously. Not because I'm patriotic (which I'm not), but because it's just so obvious and boring.

Also, from what I've heard from you guys, it sounds like they're going for something that may be a bit more gritty and "serious" than OW. In that case, "Americo" definitely isn't the way to go. No one would ever believe that there would be a country called "Americo" in the future.

I certainly hope they change it.

OANST · #**106** 11-05-2006, 11:20 AM

Thank god. Someone is actually giving this some thought instead of blindly yelling awesome.

Bullet Magnet · #**107** 11-05-2006, 03:25 PM

We were all apprehensive when we heard about it, but after we did give it some thought we came around.

Besides, how do you know that they didn't first go to people with their Oddworld idea, only to have it rejected with a "try something more mainstream first". Then they would suggest Citizen Siege and get the thumbs up while Oddworld is put on the back burner.

OANST · #**108** 11-05-2006, 03:27 PM

I don't. And I don't care either. I'm not judging this by how acceptable I think it will be. I'm judging it by how much I think it will suck.

Bullet Magnet · #**109** 11-05-2006, 03:32 PM

You seem to me like the "glass is half full... of deadly acid" kind of guy.

OANST · #**110** 11-05-2006, 03:45 PM

I'll kill your face.

Cullen Heath · #**111** 11-05-2006, 03:55 PM

Hey, guys come on.
Let's try to keep it semi-friendly?

Oddsville · #**112** 11-05-2006, 04:12 PM

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Thank god. Someone is actually giving this some thought instead of blindly yelling awesome.

Actually your blindly shouting that is sucks with out even seeing one damn thing. I understand that so far you don't like what you've heard but thats only amounted up to a paragraph, and we still have several years to go..things do change. I don't like alot of Lornes decisions over the past few years but I still think he knows how to pull this off and Im keeping hope for the sake of OWI. Its ok to have an opinion, but its just stupid to go apeshit on something we've only read about.

OANST · #**113** 11-05-2006, 04:23 PM

I'm giving my opinion on the amount of info we've been given. That's all I can do. Most of the other people in here are giving their opinions based on liking prior outings from this person.

Slaveless · #**114** 11-05-2006, 04:37 PM

Actually, I based it off the information we got. That's all. But it is not like that you couldn't say you didn't like, OANST.

They were simply disagreeing that your reasoning of hating the story so far was not convincing enough to them that you made a point.

used:) · #**115** 11-05-2006, 04:49 PM

I'll agree that the card for the storyline their using has been played a lot over time, but even OWI knows that there's risk in using a plotline like this. If they're going to take such a risk then they'll back it up by strengthening other areas in the film. At least I hope they will.

And yes, Americo is a terrible name for me. It sounds like something you'd see on an anti-America bumpersticker. I believe if a film is going to make a big kick at politics then they should do it subtley. Maybe not so subtle that you have to pick apaprt the entire film, but not so blatant as Americo. Same with the flag.

Cullen Heath · #**116** 11-05-2006, 04:55 PM

Let's take a trip back in time... Shall we?

"Our nation is under Siege. Don't trust the corporate media. The religious right is insane."

http://www.bitwerkz.com/aud/stranger...04.23_8bit.wav

The opening scene in Stranger's Wrath played backwards.
So, do you guys think that this may have anything to do with the upcoming Citizen Siege?

Bullet Magnet · #**117** 11-05-2006, 05:33 PM

Now I haven't heard that before! Bloody hell, that's a surprise. Wow. I didn't know OWI was into subliminal messaging.

used:) · #**118** 11-05-2006, 07:34 PM

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So, do you guys think that this may have anything to do with the upcoming Citizen Siege?

No. Just OWI dawning its anti corporations/America role in a more subtle manner than usual.

***Xavier*** · #**119** 11-05-2006, 11:12 PM

well, it simply a reflexion of OWI's state of mind, that you can find in Oddworld and in Citizen Siege and in ...

Slaveless · #**120** 11-06-2006, 01:03 PM

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Now I haven't heard that before! Bloody hell, that's a surprise. Wow. I didn't know OWI was into subliminal messaging.

Nah, it ain't subiminal. Subiminal is only if it can be played forwards and the sub-conscious can understand it.

This is sort of interesting. Never thought that OWI could do that. Then again, backwards playing can create weird things to happen. But I doubt it has anything to do with CS, since this was on their mind before they had a good idea about CS.