Oddworld Questions & Answers VI

[Nate]

I know what you said, but I asked it because the Brewmaster in the tears movie asks more tears, because they haven't got bones and so they need tears. I know tears give to SoulStorm Brew only a different taste, but if they aven't got the bones, do they use just the years?

I'm quite sure he meant that they needed more tears than they currently had in stock, not more tears than in previous recipes.

[abe is now!]

So, excuse me, Rupture Farms and SoulSotrm Brewery worked simultaneously, right? Now I have understood. But when Mudokons have been recruited (desert movie in AE with Phleg), didn't they understand that drink that drink wasn't good because it has been done with their bones?

[Zerox]

My guess is that RuptureFarms was originally the main bone source for SoulStorm Brewery. However, at the beginning of AO, RuptureFarms was in decline when the animal resources started drying up. This had probably been going on gradually over a few weeks or months. This would be when Necrum Mines was set up, to supplement the dwindling resources from RuptureFarms. Necrum Mines' importance soon grew as RuptureFarms went even more into decline.

I assume only the boilers of Necrum Mines were destroyed. If the ENTIRE Necrum Mines blew up I'm quite sure the explosion would have been alot bigger than the one we see in the FMV.

I thought the Brewmaster merely needed more tears for the brew because the amount of tears they were getting was declining due to the number of Mudokons was declining as Abe rescued them. Nothing particularly complex there.

[Wil]

But when Mudokons have been recruited (desert movie in AE with Phleg), didn't they understand that drink that drink wasn't good because it has been done with their bones?

No, they didn’t know that. They knew there were bones in the Brew, but not Mudokon bones. It was Abe who first realized Mudokon bones were going in SoulStorm Brew. Consumers, including Mudokons, didn’t find out until F.U.D. T.V. broadcast the story (in Abe’s Exoddus—​The Movie).

Yet that does not make a whole lot of sense. The Glukkons would have to have prior knowledge of the whereabouts of Necrum. If that is the case, they would exploit the whole burial grounds right from the start. And clearly if the sewer systems lead to Necrum (as that is how Fleeches get there), the Glukkons would need to exploit much earlier on in the story.

They could have discovered Necrum after searching for new sources of bones, following the closure (or earlier decline, as Zerox points out) of RuptureFarms. If they already knew about it (having built sewers that end up there), the Cartel wouldn’t necessarily start mining there if they already had a good source of bones from RuptureFarms. But why would they have built a sewer system that ends up in an oasis in the middle of a desert? Much more likely their sewers ‘leak’ into natural groundwater or maybe geological or Mudokon wells that then took the Fleeches to Necrum.

Could it be likely that just the Boiler System was eliminated from existance? That way, the whole Mine would just collaspe energy wise.

I assume only the boilers of Necrum Mines were destroyed. If the ENTIRE Necrum Mines blew up I'm quite sure the explosion would have been alot bigger than the one we see in the FMV.

Most probably, yeah, especially since the FeeCo railway Abe uses is undamaged. But still there would be localized damage to the grounds’ structure and sanctity.

[abe is now!]

I have a question about AE: at the beginning, when Mudokons reach the Necrum Mines, we can see some statues, but behind we can't see the forest of the Necrum and when Abe destroys the boilers he falls down and he arrives to Necrum. And why can't we see the Necrum behind the Mines?

[Bullet Magnet]

I'm going to hazard a guess here: because it's behind the mines.

[abe is now!]

Yes, you're right: now I have the artbook and I can see very well that the scaffolding 0f the Mines and the Miness too cover the forest. But if the Necrum is an oasis, is behind the Necrum the desert?

[metroixer]

Okay, so I got the oddworld artbook for christmas, do I have questions to ask!

1. Why do all glukkons have that octigi like symbol on their necks, and why do some sligs have it posted on their pants? Is it the magog cartel symbol?

2. There is a picture of grubbs getting ready for war and all of them look ready to fight except one. All of them have red eyes except for that nervous one with purple eyes. Is he some kind of special grubb?

3. In the AE movie posters there seems to be a glukkon in the background sometimes who is looking down upon all the events happening. It can't be the brewmasted because the brewmaster is shown below the glukkon's eyes. Is it molluck?

I think I have more, I just don't remember them :P.

[abe is now!]

I'd add a question: from wich part of their body do Sam and Maggie birth their eggs?

[Wil]

Their ears.

What a fucking stupid question.

[Slaveless]

They could have discovered Necrum after searching for new sources of bones, following the closure (or earlier decline, as Zerox points out) of RuptureFarms. If they already knew about it (having built sewers that end up there), the Cartel wouldn’t necessarily start mining there if they already had a good source of bones from RuptureFarms. But why would they have built a sewer system that ends up in an oasis in the middle of a desert? Much more likely their sewers ‘leak’ into natural groundwater or maybe geological or Mudokon wells that then took the Fleeches to Necrum.

I guess it would make plenty more sense if Necrum Mines had begun maybe several months before the destruction of Rupture Farms began.

Yet I believe Glukkons would actually start mining if they had discovered Necrum earlier on, due to the fact the would love to have more bones if they could find it. According to them, you could never have more than you need.

But if the Necrum is an oasis, is behind the Necrum the desert?

An oasis is an area in a desert in which there is water. I don't believe it would count if Necrum served as a border line to other areas with water.

1. Why do all glukkons have that octigi like symbol on their necks, and why do some sligs have it posted on their pants? Is it the magog cartel symbol?

2. There is a picture of grubbs getting ready for war and all of them look ready to fight except one. All of them have red eyes except for that nervous one with purple eyes. Is he some kind of special grubb?

3. In the AE movie posters there seems to be a glukkon in the background sometimes who is looking down upon all the events happening. It can't be the brewmasted because the brewmaster is shown below the glukkon's eyes. Is it molluck?

1. Because they are Octigi? I assume it is just a sign of their octipi like heritage. And yes, it is the Magog Cartel symbol. Being that Sligs are security members of the Magog Cartel, they probably would have that symbol as well.

2. Red eyes? I believe they're green. Dude, I think you might be color blind...

Anyway, I don't think he really has a role in the game. I think he was just a character thrown in for the picture.

3. It isn't Mullock, the Glukkon has a much more cleaner face than that. It probably is the Brewmaster, since we see his eyes are positioned a much similar way as we see the Brewmaster in other movie posters.

[Bullet Magnet]

Maybe the problem of the mines being constructed and the bones being mines because of the destruction of Rupture Farms could be resolved if Necrum was already being developed by the Cartel for purposes other than mining bones.

[abe is now!]

Their ears.

What a fucking stupid question.

I have never heard Mudokons or Glukkon have sexual organs, so I asked this question. And I asked because I couldnìt think Sam or Maggie have the... the... you've understood (I don't want to write it here).

An oasis is an area in a desert in which there is water. I don't believe it would count if Necrum served as a border line to other areas with water.

In the artbook I read it is an oasis. Who is right?
WTF I double posted. Excuse me. Please delete the previous post.

[Slaveless]

First off, use the edit button.

I have never heard Mudokons or Glukkon have sexual organs, so I asked this question. And I asked because I couldnìt think Sam or Maggie have the... the... you've understood (I don't want to write it here).

In the artbook I read it is an oasi. Who is right?

That's because they don't. Mudokons and Glukkons (along with Sligs) are part of a super species. All of the Glukkons and Mudokons we have seen so far are workers, in which they do not possess sexual organs, because they were not born for that purpose. Maggie and Sam possess sexual organs, since they were born that way. So yes, being that they are queens, they probably give birth through a vagina.

Well, if Necrum is an oasis, it probably is in the desert. It does not probably lie on a border of the desert.

[abe is now!]

Question: near Sam there are some Mudokons and if they get angry, can they kill Sam with their hands?

[Slaveless]

...No, the Shrinks and the huge guns in the room would shoot them down if they even thought about doing that.

[Wil]

Maybe the problem of the mines being constructed and the bones being mines because of the destruction of Rupture Farms could be resolved if Necrum was already being developed by the Cartel for purposes other than mining bones.

Like building the sewers that end up there! But why would they build sewers all the way to an oasis in a desert? Why not dump it at the nearest edge of the desert? So what other reason would they have to set up operations in a burial ground?

There is a picture of grubbs getting ready for war and all of them look ready to fight except one. All of them have red eyes except for that nervous one with purple eyes. Is he some kind of special grubb?

He’s probably just worried because most of the rebels around him are carrying pikes, and all he’s got is a fishing rod. His eyes are probably just purple because he’s queer. And I second you should get your vision tested.

First off, use the edit button.

He did.

...No, the Shrinks and the huge guns in the room would shoot them down if they even thought about doing that.

Too true, but why the hell would they all murder not only their own mother, but the only Mudokon capable of producing offspring. That would be like killing all human women. Hang about, an evil plan has come to mind…

[metroixer]

I was getting the picture from MEMORY. Give me a break guys XP.

New question: In the artbook I saw a mudokon do what seemed to be tying up a scrab. Do mudokons domesticate scrabs and use them for calvary (If that's the right term...) purposes?

[Wil]

Sorry metroixer. I wouldn’t have thought about it myself, but confusing red and green does ring certain alarm bells. It’s not something you’d want to do while holding hopes of becoming, say, a pilot.

If by Calvary you mean the hill where Jesus was crucified, then no. If you mean a carvery, then I don’t imagine Mudokons having such a restaurant, but I don’t know if they’d eat Scrab or not. They are considered holy creatures, but then Earth’s native cultures don’t necessarily hold sactity and edibility to be mutually exclusive. If you mean cavalry, then it’s hard to imagine anything taming a Scrab, though I remember it as being a staple of fan fiction that Mudokons somehow managed to cling to their backs and ride them about. Maybe one day we’ll see characters riding Scrabs.

My interpretation was that they’re restraining the Scrab so that it doesn’t go on a rampage and kill them all. They’ll release it somewhere (if they don’t use Scrabs as a natural resource).

[abe is now!]

Too true, but why the hell would they all murder not only their own mother, but the only Mudokon capable of producing offspring. That would be like killing all human women. Hang about, an evil plan has come to mind…

When a Mudokon gets angry he'd kill also Abe, the only savior of the Mudokons !!!

Question about AO: the original conception of Rupture Farms was a Glukkon cathedral, but what can we say about it? Does anyone know something about it? And how did the mechanism function inside?

[Zozo the Zrilufet]

2. Red eyes? I believe they're green. Dude, I think you might be color blind...

I heard red and green are the hardest colours to tell apart in colour blindness.

[Slaveless]

When a Mudokon gets angry he'd kill also Abe, the only savior of the Mudokons !!!

Question about AO: the original conception of Rupture Farms was a Glukkon cathedral, but what can we say about it? Does anyone know something about it? And how did the mechanism function inside?

Yeah, but the Shrinks would have calmed down the Mudokons or Sam before any of that anger could errupt. If the Mudokons did try to attack, they would have been shot down.

Anyway, Abe is probably not incredibly popular as a person, but more as a savior. If they could, the Mudokons a different person. As he is more wise than they are, their naiveness is discouraged, and Abe becomes a party pooper.

The way I see it, Sam could only distress the other Mudokons if she flips out and whines a little too much.

Well, since it is a scrapped idea, nothing much. Besides probably the fact that was a religious sacturary and a Glukkon meeting area.

[Zerox]

The only reason Mudokons ever kill Abe or vice versa in game is due to game mechanics, perhaps slightly different to more realistic situations, and they only slap Abe once unless he does something else to provoke them to continue doing it enough to get to the point of killing him. These Mudokons also would likely never have heard of Abe, or otherwise heard only that he's a terrorist, and no good things about him whatsoever. I don't see how this could stretch far enough to get near to killing Sam. It would probably take about 1,000 slaps to kill off Sam anyway, given her much greater size in comparison to the small worker Mudokons.

[metroixer]

Here's a question that just popped up in my head xD.

How the hell can slaps kill a mudokon? O_o

[Alcar]

Here's a question that just popped up in my head xD.

How the hell can slaps kill a mudokon? O_o

Repetitive brain damage.

Alcar...

[abe is now!]

Well, since it is a scrapped idea, nothing much. Besides probably the fact that was a religious sacturary and a Glukkon meeting area.

http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...php?menu=CAAO2 Here you can find some images of the cathedral. It is a processing area anyway.

[Slaveless]

I wouldn't understand why the cathedral would be much like Rupture Farms, since a church and a meat plant are two seperate things. http://webster.com/dictionary/cathedral

[Zerox]

Uh...which one's this 'cathedral' exactly? Either there is no cathedral and it just looks like one, or it's not a meat plant.

There may be some older cathedrals somewhere from the Glukkons' past, but otherwise I can't think of anything.

[abe is now!]

Excuse me, but in "The Art of Oddworld Inhabitants" I read that it was the original conception of Rupture Farms, and it had to be a big processing area. I attach an image where I highlighted a phrase. If you can read it, you can see cathedral and meet... in the artbook I can see them very well. Anyway it is the cathedral inside.

[Zerox]

I had a look at my own copy of the book.

It seems that the cathedral aspect is more to do with appearance of the factory rather than literal religious themes, such as tall, thin doors and wide open spaces.