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No I mean in the clips.
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This catalog was a sort of a bonus and it didn't really fit in with the game.
Elum Chubs sort of look like sausages, but made from Elum.
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Elum Chubs are a proper product that fit in with the games. I believe they are similar to sausages.
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There’s an Elum Chub poster in the game. Screens R1P18C10 and R2P18C10. It’s more easily visible in the PS demo version, because there isn’t an electric wall generator in the way in that early glimpse of the game.
Thank you, but does anyone know what are the creatures of the other products? Or only some hints.
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Q & A's are great. Half of my goon-faced questions are asked here. Ah at last i am not made a complete fool of by the wiser members.

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I do not understand why when Abe drink the SoulStorm Brew he doesn't fell sick. Why? If this has been asked before, excuse me.
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He never drinks it (as far as we know) before he received his third scar. Maybe that has something to do with it?
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As well as that, and Abe's 'inherent powers' perhaps it's partly due to the fact he didn't excessively drink it and get drunk. Abe's friends only got ill after they drunk about 20 bottles of brew each. As in the scene where Abe gets his healing abilities, the Mudokons are fine after a couple of drinks "Ooh, that's tasty", but after they start drinking alot, they get sick/drunk/whatever. It takes more than a couple of drinks.

Also, Abe doesn't let the chemicals build up inside him, as these are expelled when he farts (Mudokons fart when healed from brew sickness, expelling toxins) after drinking a brew, so they do not build up to dangerous levels inside him.
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In MO do you play as both Abe and Munch at the same time or one at a time?
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They are both in all but a few levels, and you can switch between them at will. While not controlling one he will stand still, unless you command him to follow.
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It's a really good thing, but in the GBA you can't command to Abe or to Munch to follow you. The gamespeak of Abe talking to Munch and conversely and the movements too. I think there aren't many games with this characteristics. A very good job.
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It's rendered somewhat obsolete when Abe is able to unceremoniously lift up Munch and carry him underarm anyway.
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An AE question: why in the SoulStorm Brewery there are the wells mining? I don't know how to say it, but I mean the "grinder" yellow and black of the Necrum Mines, but they are also in the SoulStorm Brewery. Why? Excuse me for this orrible English .
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For using the employees as an extra source of bones. After the closure of RuptureFarms, the destruction of Necrum Mines, and the shutdown of Bonewerkz, every little helps.
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Ok, thank you Max. And how can Sam birth Mudokons without a male Mudokon? Is it a special power of her? Or is there any factor that help her to birth?
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Alf says there are male drones, just as there are in any eusocial model on Earth. Of course, this being Alf, we should take this information with a pinch of salt.
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And is it possible Sam will birth a female Mudokon because she is going to die? Maybe because she is an old Mudokon and she understands that her life is going to fnish. Is it possible?
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Maybe. We just don’t know.
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And can Sam walk if she isn't tied? And where was Sam after she has been captured? In the Monsaic Sanctum?
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I don't think she could even walk even if she was untied. The work the Vykkers have done on her is so exterme, she is heavily over-weight. (I don't even know if that is just how Sam is suppose to look like naturally)

I assume you mean that you want to know what happens after Sam is released to capitivity, instead of being captured again. She probably will go to the Monsaic Lines after her release, since it only makes sense to form a new birth ground in the now-Mudokon controlled holy grounds.
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If the Mudokons have a queen then what about the Gabbits? I'm not much of a Gabbit lover but it doesn't hurt to ask.
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It is presumed that Gabbits breed more similarly to fish; every mature individual is capable of reproducing and a single male and female get together to do the dirty. That said, it is possible that 'the dirty' occurs with both of them at opposite ends of a large pool as we know that female exudes unfertilised eggs which must then be fertilised by a male.
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we know that female exudes unfertilised eggs which must then be fertilised by a male.
No we don’t. This is an idea people have latched onto without it ever being said in an official capacity.
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It is probable that gabbit eggs are taken from the ovaries of slaughtered females, like black caviar is from beluga sturgeons. It would be hopelessly inefficient and therefore unprofitable to gather them up from the water.

As for how gabbits breed...let's whittle down the list. There are several main methods on Earth.

Internal Fertilisation, in which one parent deposits its gametes into the other, and fertilisation occurs within the body of one or both (in the case of hermaphrodites) parents. There are then three modes of gestation:

Vivipary: the embryo develops inside the parent within a special uterine organ, and is born live (ideally). The most advanced known form of vivipary has the embryo develop a placenta and umbilical chord to facilitate the exchange of nutrients, oxygen and waste products between the blood of the offspring and the blood of the parent, we see this in the Eutheria (placental mammals) and many sharks. A less advanced form has the parent give birth to the foetus before a placenta is required, and the offspring continues development in another environment, as in marsupials. An even less advanced "form" is-

Ovovivipary: the offspring are brought to term within the body of the parent, but within an egg. The egg provides nourishment (the yolk) while the parent provides gaseous exchange. The offspring hatch just before birth or immediately after laying.

Ovipary: Internal fertilisation, but the eggs are soon after laid, and development occurs within the egg, with its own yolk sack for nourishment and takes care of its own gaseous exchange.

External fertilisation in which eggs are released into a medium, as far as I can tell exclusively water, as are sperm. Fertilisation takes place in the medium, outside of the bodies of the parents. This is a form of ovipary, though sperm and eggs may be released into the water column for random fertilisation, or mounting may occur, and eggs are fertilised as they emerge from the female (spawning).


Now, which can apply to gabbits? What do we know about gabbits?

1. Where they live. Gabbits are amphibious. They live in water, where all strategies are feasible, and can come onto land, only externally fertilised eggs are infeasible. Live birth in fully aquatic groups, such as cetaceans and ichthyosaurs, is usually done in the water. But gabbits are not fully aquatic, they can come onto land. Many aquatic mammals can come onto land, and that is where they pup (seals, otters etc). Some sharks are also viviparous.

The eggs laid by reptiles would drown in water, which is why all other aquatic reptiles can and did come out of the water to deposit their eggs. If gabbits are egg-laying, do they spawn in water? They are like amphibians, and if gabbits are of a lineage that has never yet left the water entirely, this is likely. Do they lay eggs on land? If their ancestors were fully terrestrial and gabbits have returned to the water, this is more probably. We know neither, so we can conclude the neither, though if they can come onto land despite living their lives in water, the latter is more probable.

2. Where they reproduce. Gabbits swim upriver to the Mongo's source, Ma'Spa. A freshwater environment that is strong evidence that they spawn in the waters of Ma'Spa. However, they may pup on the shores of Ma'Spa, or lay eggs like turtles.

3. That Munch is male, and these eggs will allow him to repopulate gabbits. But we don't know if the eggs are already fertilised or not. He may fertilise the eggs himself if they require it. Being male, it would seem to rule out ovovivipary and vivipary, but no. In seahorses and pipefish, the male gives birth to the young because the female deposits eggs into his pouch to develop. We do not know if gabbits do the same. So if the eggs are unfertilised there is external fertilisation, and if it is internal gabbits must exhibit male pregnancy. If they are already fertile, it makes no difference to the choices any of the choices. Unless internal fertilisation requires an ovipositor, Munch will not be able to impregnate himself without equipment. Personally, I think the whole male pregnancy thing is unlikely in gabbits, so if the eggs are unfertilised, fertilisation must be external. Earth caviar is roe, and roe is ripe fish eggs, removed from the ovaries of the fish, making them unfertilised. Gabbiar is likely to be the same.

4. The appearance of Gabbiwogs. Gabbit larbae metamorphose from gabbiwogs to full-grown gabbits. Gabbiwogs are clearly unable to come onto land, disproving the land eggs and land birth hypotheses, the closest Earth analogy of the gabbit life-cycle are amphibians. We now know for certain that gabbits breed only in the water, though this makes their ability to come on to land perplexing.

5. They have large eggs. By that I mean they are not microscopic. This is strong indication that they are eggs within which gabbiwogs grow, and not colossal ova, however it may be that some ova on Oddworld are very large. Even the ovum of a human being is the largest cell. The first divisions of the zygote result in many smaller cells of the same mass. We can see this in frog spawn, but frog spawn is protected by a clear jelly, and if gabbiar is like caviar, it is not like frogspawn. This development would have to occur within a parent host. Either that, or gabbit eggs are much more like fish eggs. Judging by their analogy to Earth caviar, a deliberate comparison by OWI, they are true eggs. This rules out vivipary.

6. These eggs can be kept viable and dormant in cold storage (refrigeration) and/or anaerobic environments (the can). Otherwise Munch's quest was fairly pointless, and that doesn't seem to be OWI's style. Eggs, ova and embryos may be stored this way on Earth, so it does not help us.


So, we have ruled out vivipary (live birth) and spawning on the land, so all I've managed to do is eliminate what nobody expected, but now we have good reason to rule out those alternatives without official word from OWI. I have also shown that both other internal fertilisation methods, ovipary and ovovivipary, are unlikely, since gabbiar probably requires fertilisation by Munch. This most likely rules out ovipary, meaning for it to require internal fertilisation Munch must practice a form of ovoviviparous male pregnancy, and rules out ovipary (why lay eggs into the male to be fertilised only for him to lay them again straight away?).

So, this proves that, unless basic non-queen reproduction on Oddworld is completely upside-down, gabbits practice external fertilisation. The only question is: do they spawn like fish or frogs?


I was off my head with sleep-deprivation towards the end of this. If anything does not make any sense whatsoever, I apologise and will correct it in the morn- er, afternoon.
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So, this proves that, unless basic non-queen reproduction on Oddworld is completely upside-down, gabbits practice external fertilisation. The only question is: do they spawn like fish or frogs?
I know female fish lay eggs and then male fish fertilize them with their seminal liquids. I know nothing about frog's reproduction model.
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I know female fish lay eggs and then male fish fertilize them with their seminal liquids. I know nothing about frog's reproduction model.
Really that question what simply regarding whether or not gabbits mount one another like frogs do, fertilising eggs as they come out, or disperse eggs and sperm into the water column or nest without mounting.
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Here's a question that's interesting for me:

When the bad ending in AE plays and it gets to the part before abe is zapped hanging upside down he says "Oh no, oh man, oh JESUS, oh no!"

Something like that, but I know he said jesus, was there some kind of jesus in oddworld?
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It sounds much closer to "No, no, no, oh no no, please, No-icanchange, no please..." and becomes incomprehensible. The "I can change" part is run together, but I've always heard it as such.
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Is there two Bigfaces? Or is there only one cause I was watching Abe's Moon clip and noticed something. In this picture the Bigface has three(that I can see anyway) brown bands one wrapped around his left arm and one wrapped around his left foot. Oh and on his right foot too.


And here he doesn't.
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Just because he's wearing different things it doesn't mean it's 2 different Bigfaces. He might've just wanted a change of style.


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