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04-06-2004, 01:44 PM
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Well with a little bit of being reminded on how corrupt everything is nowadays you were right.

Something in me today changed my whole view on the issue and it changed for the good.

I am no longer going to support this war for now I see all the corruption you guys have constantly stated and I have ignored. I was wrong and you were right I was a complete idiot to even think that all of this was justified and nothing was wrong. I dunno what I was thinking.

But I also don't support any Government or regime of that nature as well anymore. It became apparent that we all need to stop our violence towards each other and heal our ancient wounds.

And I want to be the first to admit to my mistake and to improve. So I am sorry for these arguements because now I see just how moronic they really are. And they were moronic and I regret even concieving those ideas. Its embarressing to me and I now realise that. So it won't be like this again now that I see what you see.

So I am just going to go and do my own thing that I do best in FC and let this thread die. With me I am through with my old views on the issues we face. So you guys were right. I dunno with me I guess stuff like this is not my real strong point and I really need to stay away from because its just turns into a big mess.

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Hmmm - i wonder if that was sarcasm(!)
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Jacob its not sarcasm I am really serious here. I was watching a show earlier today and my mind set just changed. I was inspired you can say. The show was about some sort of inner peace type of thing and well it just got me thinking. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to but I know how I feel now towards my old views on things and I am questioning myself about it. So its for real mann. I had an epiphany u can say.

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Eh, don't feel bad about it, PA. You don't have to change your opinion just because we don't like it.


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Unfortunately I'm with Mac on this one.

Unfortunately? Why is it unfortunate?

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04-06-2004, 11:00 PM
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So, PA, you've finally realised that its stupid to blinding believe any piece of propaganda thrown at you? Good.

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Jacob its not sarcasm I am really serious here. I was watching a show earlier today and my mind set just changed. I was inspired you can say. The show was about some sort of inner peace type of thing and well it just got me thinking. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to but I know how I feel now towards my old views on things and I am questioning myself about it. So its for real mann. I had an epiphany u can say.

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Don't let a little debate sway you fom your own personal ideas PA! You've been so passionate about them and thats very worthy!

If indeed this programme has modified you take on life... then great! If you're claiming to have changed or you're forcing yourself to change because your views aren't accepted by others 100%... then thats not so great!

I will think no less of you for sticking to your guns in the face of adversity (I mentioned guns... watch Ferill pop up here!) infact perhaps I'd think more of you! But if you have seen the light, had an epiphany (in the Mahatma stylee!)then thats okay too.

Just a few thoughts PA...

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04-07-2004, 01:11 AM
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Its not that I want to turn away from my previous opinion on matters because nobody will accept them. Its the fact for me that it became apparent as an eye opener. I mean look whats happening now in Iraq with this new upriseing and more US troops are dieing.

Mainly I realised that this is a Government war and the true enamy of our world is our Governments. Not only US but all over because they always are wanting more and they get more by force which is as primative as mankind itself. It results in a direct hatred among each other. And the victom is the citizen.

I thought we were better than that. And the ways of the primative violent life are no more. But as I observe how ever it isn't and that same violence still persist today through our governments. Its like "Put down your stones people and start talking and share your ideas with each other."

If they want to wage violence and cause an upriseing in the people then that is a very bad thing. And it is causeing an upriseing and that is the terrorist for their hatred towards us and the coalition to bring back the violence that the terrorist dalivered. That is wrong and Ive had it.

If I had a choice in this life I would literally pack my stuff ask if anybody wants to join me and go down south build myself a boat and set sail and live on an deserted tropical Island where no Government exist and live the rest of my days in sheer freedom. Freedom from the world. Heck I would live on my boat and live at sea. Where I would do art, and have the most fullfilling expierence I can think of for life. No more worries of the Government sheer freedom is what I am talking about. No need to worry about money nothing of the world would be of my concern. But that is extreme of course.
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Thats commendable PA!

But..er... this boat.... when you say you're not gonna be alone...

You are thinking of taking a special someone with you I mean... islands can be boring if there ain't no "horizontal Lambarda"
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No they cant! why doesnt he just visit a local castle or Fort! wouldnt that just be fun!

sorry....the Alan Partridge in me was talking....

CB, i agree. (heehee, it ryhmes)
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No they cant! why doesnt he just visit a local castle or Fort! wouldnt that just be fun!

sorry....the Alan Partridge in me was talking....

CB, i agree. (heehee, it ryhmes)
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You better stop on this spam I am or you will be kicked in the can mann! hehe

I would just ask who feels the same as I on the Government. The one thing I enjoy is being away with people and establishing relationships with those people. But of course it would have to start with a woman where I would start a relationship with her and then trickle through each person sort of like a mini family away from home where its memerable for years to come afterwards.
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I would just ask who feels the same as I on the Government.
Me! Me! Me! ...Whats your boat like!?!

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The one thing I enjoy is being away with people and establishing relationships with those people.
Me too! Me! Me! Me!... Whats your boat like!?!

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But of course it would have to start with a woman where I would start a relationship with her and then trickle through each person sort of like a mini family away from home where its memerable for years to come afterwards.
Me! me! Me!... hang on you've lost me there... "trickle" through what where? I have an image but I don't think its the right one!?!

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Um yeah I ment by trickle as the friendship moveing throughout the group. Whatever you were thinking hehe!

But I don't have a boat I would build myself one with luxeries. Like a TV radio, small kitchen so we are not completely away from civilisation. Mainly a boat with a small liveing qaurters.

In that case.
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Um yeah I ment by trickle as the friendship moveing throughout the group. Whatever you were thinking hehe!
Oh! Riiight! I get ya!!!

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But I don't have a boat I would build myself one with luxeries. Like a TV radio, small kitchen so we are not completely away from civilisation

In that case.
Sounds good! Me! Me! Me!

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Easy! Just kick the terrorist in the balls!
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Or we can go to a more religious method of haveing combination pig fats and bags to throw at the terrorist. Word is that the Jews are useing pig fat in bags and hanging them on their buses to ward off Palistinean suicide bombers because they believe if the terrorist or suicide bomber gets covered in pig fat when they die, they will go streight to hell instead of into paradise with 50 women.
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Or we can go to a more religious method of haveing combination pig fats and bags to throw at the terrorist. Word is that the Jews are useing pig fat in bags and hanging them on their buses to ward off Palistinean suicide bombers because they believe if the terrorist or suicide bomber gets covered in pig fat when they die, they will go streight to hell instead of into paradise with 50 women.
Riiight! So no mumbo-jumbo superstition there then!?!
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Heh I was being sarcastic but yeah your right!

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Heh I was being sarcastic but yeah your right!

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So was I PA!!!!

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...or, we can just A-bomb all Middle Eastern countries and rebuild civilisation there from scratch...without the beards.
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...or, we can just A-bomb all Middle Eastern countries and rebuild civilisation there from scratch...without the beards.
Second verse, same as the first....

As Oddguy states in the intelligent Oddworld thread, what we might call a terrorist, similair thinkers might call a freedom fighter. As for rebuilding civilization, I know for a fact that we don't have a working one to Emulate. Come on; Senseless mugging, killing, devastating wars and mental illness were all but unknown in unaffected "primitive" peoples. These things are often explained away with some glib comment like "that's the price of progress" as if the idea of becoming civilized is so great a pull that we sacrifice sustainability (of ourselves and "our" resources) for it.

And seriously, the people directly responsible for 911--though from similair countries of origin--had all been living in the US despite our knowledge of semi-legal or illegal activities for some time. How does where someone thinks an idea up become a target for reciprocating hatred? The PEOPLE of afghanistan are not the ones who bombed the twin towers, yet WE ARE the people who bombed them. Do we blow up the Una-bombers friends and family? Would we attack france or spain if one of their terrorist groups went international? It's asinine. Symptomatic of the sick minds and disgusting priorities our culture helps create.

But maybe Jacob was joking.... Humour on the forums is very different from real life.
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'The PEOPLE of afghanistan are not the ones who bombed the twin towers, yet WE ARE the people who bombed them. Do we blow up the Una-bombers friends and family? Would we attack france or spain if one of their terrorist groups went international? It's asinine. Symptomatic of the sick minds and disgusting priorities our culture helps create.'

And with that taken into account, i still think we should wipe them out. They're unevolved. They stone people. It'd be better and nicer if they were all destroyed and then rebuilt. Better houses. Better people. A better enviroment.

This isn't about who bombed who. It's about making the world pretty.
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Or we can make lake Afganistan and Lake Iraq.
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And with that taken into account, i still think we should wipe them out. They're unevolved. They stone people. It'd be better and nicer if they were all destroyed and then rebuilt. Better houses. Better people. A better enviroment.

This isn't about who bombed who. It's about making the world pretty.
All well and good, I suppose. But then the question is: Which environment do you like better? Native, or Industrial? And that's being covered in a different thread.

Personally I think that as Thorou said, the secret is to "simplify, simplify" in which case primitive peoples would be better off. Or we could destroy EVERYONE, and make the world a whole lot less complicated.
Better houses: subjective; Better people: subjective; Better environment; Objective. But a better environment is a highly diversified ecosystem based on checks and balances. Not possible in a place wherein the "checks" come in the form of bombs from foreign invaders. On a side note, Thorou was a punk who just happened to have a few good ideas.

You're a wierd dude Jacob. But that's cool.
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You're looking far too much into it. Wipe out Afghanistan, Iraq and other places that when you think of them you think "Bleh, wouldn't like to live their.". I don't mind what happens after that. Make a beautiful landscape of a land. Build skyscrapers. Build themeparts. I don't care. Just get rid of people with beards...

Plus, we're not going to lose out on culture. We have atleast 10-20% of them living over here so it's not as if we're commiting genocide. We're just making the world a prettier place.
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What is it with you and beards Jacob. They're just beards.

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A beard is a common indicator of evilness.

Guy with beard = evil.

The length of it determines the amount of evilness.

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Plus, we're not going to lose out on culture. We have atleast 10-20% of them living over here so it's not as if we're commiting genocide. We're just making the world a prettier place.
Saying we won't lose a culture because we have people of a particular descent stored safely away seems ill-informed. Culture has nothing to do with one's DNA and everything to do with one's beliefs, rituals, way of life, etc. etc.... Part of the reason we're in a bind is because converting or destroying a culture by any means necessary leads to nothing but poverty, bloodshed and anger. A situation which breeds people who would advocate change. "Activists" in other words, some of whom could be militant enough to be called terrorists.

What if the Nazis had won and exterminated all the Jews? Would black people have been far behind? And what would become of a society--imagine--that had destroyed all ethnicities other than their own? The Nazi ideal of an aryan world comes true and then what? Forget the past and pretend that everything was legal and justified. Destroy those who oppose us and cross their names off the history books. You might say this is an unreasonable analogy, but remember McCarthyism? People who were suspected of having socialist or communist ties were black-listed and often either "dissapeared" committed suicide, or were even tried for what we would call Treason.

What happens to "people with beards" in the US after we've destroyed their culture and place of origin? They've got--as I see it--two options; change their way of life, or be crushed. And either way their identity as a people is lost. Which wouldn't necessarily be bad if the alternative wasn't a bigoted, egocentric and oppressing culture which rewards individuals and punishes communities.

How do you reason with a terrorist? Presumably you do damage control and end the situation which created the terrorist. In this case we cannot get rid of the situation with military force, because military force is what created it. Well, that and ignorance. But that wouldn't have been an issue if the American Ideology were not so depressingly set on viewing Might as Right. It's not even utilitarian, which at the least might keep us from murdering millions of people to keep a few dollars off gas for us. And now the US is the greatest threat the world knows (and that's not my pride speaking) because we've set ourselves up as an unquestionable authority.

Ugh. If only I weren't just reiterating what everyone already knows.
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Okay...fine...we may lose some cultures. Some people may be hurt...but we'd have new and improved Afghanistan [renamed something alot more pleasing like...erm...Luxurious Pleasures-stan or something.].

Palastine, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, N & S. Korea, Ethiopia...i bet atleast one of these countries when said makes atleast one person think "Ohh, eww.". To me, none of them are really pleasing. So, let's destroy them and begin something new and better. All they do is bring the rest of the world misery. I sit down with my tea, turn on Tv and there's Oxfam...showing oh-so-lovely pictures of some 7 year old Ethiopian with flies flying up his nose and in his mouth. I sit down to watch Tv and see how our Government is getting on and realise that because of Iraq Labour will probably get voted out. If these countries weren't around, the world would be a cleaner happier place.

On the issue you raised on terrorism, i don't really care about terrorists, this is about making deserty, beard-ridden, fly-ridden-people gone and making some random luxury from, lets face it, a bag of Dog shite and used contraceptives...

On the Nazi issue, the Jews were just greedy bastards who signed the treaty of Versailles and shamed the German race...they weren't being foul in public.
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I just think that the idea of luxury and beauty that you present is too subjective. The desert is quite clean, cleaner than most things should be, and I think its sexy. There are women out there who dig guys with beards, and honestly, tea isn't made to sit down and watch commercials with.
And what about fat, sleazy americans or bad-toothed sharp-faced brits? Ugly and horrible. If what you were talking about was some sort of virus designed to either kill or beautify unattractive people, I'd be more sympathetic. But truth be told, laying waste to a desert doesn't make much sense. And how are we supposed to get some luxury out of it? The luxury stench of dead bodies? But nevertheless, as this thread should remain on the topic of terrorism, I leave you with this:

Killing people should always be direct and deliberate, with every possible consequence evaluated and prepared for. War, terrorism, the death penalty and every other current form of homicide are inadequate and should be refrained from until a suitable alternative is found.
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