Abortion

[Jacob]

Lets take this one step at a time;

"YOUR VIEWS CORRUPT THE WORLD, MINE DO NOT. YOUR VIEWS ARE UNREASONABLE, MINE ARE NOT. YOUR VIEWS ARE PREJUDICED, MINE ARE NOT."

Thats not saying my reasons are correct. Thats saying yours are corrupt, unreasonable and prejudiced.

And you still dont understand, people now have recreational sex...accidents do happen.

Do you disagree?

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Jacob
Lets take this one step at a time;



Thats not saying my reasons are correct. Thats saying yours are corrupt, unreasonable and prejudiced.

And you still dont understand, people now have recreational sex...accidents do happen.

Do you disagree?

Yeah and your wrong I am not corrupt, prejudice or unreasonable because I have friends all colors and beliefs I accept everyone. By You arguing makes you unreasonable and corrupt and you being against christians makes you prejudice.

Recreational sex, but still it's common sense and it's your choice. You can say no you can speak. It's like you going over your boyfriends house and you have sex and in a month you find out your pregnant and she says "It's not my fault" but it is she choose to sleep with him. That's crazy to think and I find it iffy to see that as an accident. Their was this girl on the radio, she was sleeping with this married man. She gave him AIDS and she said she was glad to give it to him because he shouldn't have cheated on his wife. Was that an accident? I mean, I don't do sex because I've seen how people are like. They are being called sluts, and carrying a baby around and you can't really do anything anymore and the father denies he's not the father.

This is not meant to be harsh.

[Jacob]

(1)Yeah and your wrong I am not corrupt, prejudice or unreasonable.(2) By You arguing makes you unreasonable and corrupt and (3)you being against christians makes you prejudice.

Recreational sex, but still it's common sense and it's your choice. You can say no you can speak. It's like you going over your boyfriends house and you have sex and in a month you find out your pregnant and she says "It's not my fault" but it is she choose to sleep with him. That's crazy to think and I find it iffy to see that as an accident.

(1) - I never said YOU were, i said your belief system was.
(2) - Not arguments, debates.
(3) - Im not against Christians.

You can speak, yes. But who wants to? Sex is good, its fun, it allows you to get to know each other, allows you to bond with the other person. Just because you have sex doesn't mean when you get pregnant its on purpose. Thats like saying when your fixing something, and it breaks. Thats on purpose. When it obviously isnt. You have to understand why people have sex, and mainly its due to peer pressure. But also cos its fun and the best form of exercise there is.

The woman did that with the intent of giving the man AIDS. When you have sex, its with the intent of having fun/bonding/loosing your V. Not having a baby.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Jacob


(1) - I never said YOU were, i said your belief system was.
(2) - Not arguments, debates.
(3) - Im not against Christians.

You can speak, yes. But who wants to? Sex is good, its fun, it allows you to get to know each other, allows you to bond with the other person. Just because you have sex doesn't mean when you get pregnant its on purpose. Thats like saying when your fixing something, and it breaks. Thats on purpose. When it obviously isnt. You have to understand why people have sex, and mainly its due to peer pressure. But also cos its fun and the best form of exercise there is.

My belief system is not prejudice because Jesus was not prejudice.
Sex is good when your commited because you don't have to worrry about diseases, calling you a slut and people going out with you because they know that you are easy, you can have someone to help you with the baby, and you can avoid testing everyone to see who is the father of your baby.

Yes, peer pressure but I have been pressured and I don't give in. I let guys know the real deal. I was brought up to not allow a guy to take advantage of me or ruin my life. Some people are weak, some are strong. Sometimes girls want babies but it's hard work and alot of money into it. You really can't do the things you use to anymore because you have a baby to worry about. When your married it's okay because you are working together.

[Jacob]

(1)My belief system is not prejudice because Jesus was not prejudice.
(2)Sex is good when your commited because (2a)you don't have to worrry about diseases,(b) calling you a slut and(c) people going out with you because they know that you are easy,(d) you can have someone to help you with the baby,(e) and you can avoid testing everyone to see who is the father of your baby.

(1) - Jesus didnt write the bible.

(2a) - Yes you do. Marriage doesnt make those past diseases disappear in thin air.

(2b) - They wouldn't do that.

(2c) - See conclusion.

(2d) - See Conclusion.

(2e) - See conclusion.

Conclusion;
It seems you believe that if you have sex outside of wedlock people will think that of you. They wont, if that is the case then you are calling most of my friends. You dont get diseases if your careful. You dont get preggers if your careful. You dont have to get a rep as being easy. I dont know who told you all of this but in 95% of cases it is wrong. Thats prejudiced Pinky, and it contradicts what your previously said.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Jacob


(1) - Jesus didnt write the bible.

(2a) - Yes you do. Marriage doesnt make those past diseases disappear in thin air.

(2b) - They wouldn't do that.

(2c) - See conclusion.

(2d) - See Conclusion.

(2e) - See conclusion.

Conclusion;
It seems you believe that if you have sex outside of wedlock people will think that of you. They wont, if that is the case then you are calling most of my friends. You dont get diseases if your careful. You dont get preggers if your careful. You dont have to get a rep as being easy. I dont know who told you all of this but in 95% of cases it is wrong. Thats prejudiced Pinky, and it contradicts what your previously said.

Jesus was there in the beginning John 1 to 14 saids that.

Yes but majority of the time, people will think that of you because they think of marriage as an exception. I know, but chances of getting diseases are less because they have blood test laws before you get married. You can get a rep for being easy because people think like that and they assume that since tou slept with one person, you will sleep with anyone. It's not prejudice and it did not contradict what I said. It's not wrong 95% case, it's called life. Not everyone is going to care about you. You have to watch your life. Don't assume people are not going to call you easy or a whore because they will.

Edit: some choices in life have consequences. It's best to think before you act. What would happen if I do this? What consequences do I have to face? Do I need to lie about it? If so, then it's best to take responsibility of your own actions instead of making excuses and blaming other people for your faults.

[Disgruntled Intern]

Pinky, and Khanz, how do you feel about the morning after pill?

And, I agree with Jacob..accidents DO happen...[I speak from experience on that one :S]

[TheKhanzumer]

Thanks for bringing me into this Disgruntled Intern after I thought I cleverly made sure I could stay away from these "debates".

But since you asked. I don't realy know much about how the pill works but if it kills the child after it has been concieved I think it is wrong. If it keeps the child from being convcieved than it is okay.

I feel realy naive. Should have paid more attention to when we talked about the pill in Health class.

[Intern_485]

My theory of abortion is this: There are a plethora of adoption agencies out there. There are cases of rape and broken condoms that can't be helped but I don't understand it when people say, "Oh, I don't want to go through the trauma of giving up a baby to an agency." Isn't killing the baby worse than that? No matter what anyone says, abortion, in a very real sense, is killing a baby. That little piece of tissue, is a living piece of tissue. This isn't swatting flies people, this is killing children. Isn't it better to give that child a life with someone else rather than to kill it?

[Disgruntled Intern]

Originally posted by TheKhanzumer
Thanks for bringing me into this Disgruntled Intern after I thought I cleverly made sure I could stay away from these "debates".

But since you asked. I don't realy know much about how the pill works but if it kills the child after it has been concieved I think it is wrong. If it keeps the child from being convcieved than it is okay.

I feel realy naive. Should have paid more attention to when we talked about the pill in Health class.

Don't be a f'ucking dick about it, Khanz.
Figures you wouldn't know.

[Gluk Schmuck]

Originally posted by Intern_485
1. "Oh, I don't want to go through the trauma of giving up a baby to an agency."

2. Isn't killing the baby worse than that?

3. No matter what anyone says, abortion, in a very real sense, is killing a baby. That little piece of tissue, is a living piece of tissue.

4. This isn't swatting flies people, this is killing children.

1. Don't you watch American medical dramas?

2. We're talking about abortion, not infanticide. Silly 'pro-lifers,' they can never tell the difference...

3. No it isn't. It's killing a foetus. So what if it's living tissue? There's already loads of that inside everyone (not including most dead people).

4. I didn't think you'd value the life of something that may be sentient over the life of something that almost certainly isn't... Very typical of 'pro-lifers'.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Intern
Pinky, and Khanz, how do you feel about the morning after pill?

And, I agree with Jacob..accidents DO happen...[I speak from experience on that one :S]

Experience? If you have a baby then we would talk.

Well Jacob, let's see what happens when you get a girl pregnant and think it's an accident then. Like it's an accident to cheat on someone. Wow, it's an accident to sleep with someone and fall on a man's "240". You don't have to get pregnant, some people chose not to because it's alot of responsibility.

Morning after pill is just as bad and it's not good for you.

Khaz what is it? It's an Emergency contraception (also known as the morning-after pill) is a high dosage of the birth control pill. It is recommended to be used after sexual intercourse, over a period of 72 hours, to achieve the goal of preventing or ending pregnancy. There are three different ways birth control pills are currently being promoted for this use: progesterone alone, estrogen alone, or both of these artificial steroids together. There are also some side effects nausea
vomiting, infertility, breast tenderness, life threatening, and blood clot formation, and basically ectopic pregnancy-can be life threatening.

Abortion and morning pills can also prevent your self of getting preganant again research shows.

Ha Gluk, I bet you don't even know what they do to aborted babies. It's nasty. Do you even know the definition of abortion. Silly Pro-choicers.

I mean I think the women should have the baby, that's how we have people on this earth and if the population keeps declining because of abortion, we are in trouble. Some cultures would look down on you, maybe even kill you because they believe in the "eye for an eye" or "a tooth for a tooth" concept.

[Jacob]

Pinky, its obvious that you have been brought up in a family filled with 'pro-lifers' i say this mainly because they are 15 of you. Which, must have been harsh for your mum. I bet she'd gladly have an abortion if she wasn't a Christian.

Also, if i got a girl pregnant i would ask HER what she wanted to do. If she wanted an abortion, then fine. If not, then thats fine aswell.

Isn't it better to give that child a life with someone else rather than to kill it?

Like somebody said, we have many living pieces of tissue in us. Smokers kill tonnes of cells, do you go around pestering them? Drinkers kill cells also. We are talking about TISSUE...im sure the baby would rather die then be brought up with a family who didn't want it, are stressed, with low income. The child would most likely turn violent and then if that has kids it'd start this chain reaction of Townie children. And everybody hates Townies.

Pinky, if every female in the world had one abortion then we still wouldn't be in trouble. Oh, and please say the word instead of the numbers. What the Hell is a "240"!?

Pinky, you have the paranoia that my family want me to have, its very scary. They always go "Are you sure they're your friends?" or "You dont want to be waitering all your life" or "Its a big commitment a baby is" and i just brush it off cos i am very wise. However, you seem to be shit scared of somebody calling you a "Slut" if you hold hands. Whats with that!?

Also, what would you call a accident Pinky? If a woman gets pregnant and the Penis did not enter the Vagina would that be a accident? Or is that on purpose?

I do really pity you Pinky, your paranoia will get you know were in life and its a shame that your gonna miss out on alot of your life through your bringing up. Im so glad i was wise enough to laugh at my family's remarks, unlike little, ole you.

Pinky and Khanz, put yourself in this position. Your mothers get raped, beaten and left for dead. A couple of months later they find out they are pregnant. Your financial situation is critical and your barely going to get by if you have another child, so, your mother is pondering an abortion. She doesn't want to, but she feels it would be best for the family. She asks for your advice, do you support her?

Pinky, if a woman gets an abortion she isn't being selfish, she is thinking of her future and the people around her who may get hurt. Having the child would be selfish, as the father would be in deep shit and he would have to live with that regret for the rest of his life.

Sex these days is about fun, bonding and caring for someone. Not just for breeding. We are not animals (Well, Dolphins have recreational sex.) and we deserve to have some fun in our shit little lives. Its just so happens that sex is the fun that gives us children aswell...

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Jacob
Pinky, its obvious that you have been brought up in a family filled with 'pro-lifers' i say this mainly because they are 15 of you. Which, must have been harsh for your mum. I bet she'd gladly have an abortion if she wasn't a Christian.

Also, if i got a girl pregnant i would ask HER what she wanted to do. If she wanted an abortion, then fine. If not, then thats fine aswell.



Like somebody said, we have many living pieces of tissue in us. Smokers kill tonnes of cells, do you go around pestering them? Drinkers kill cells also. We are talking about TISSUE...im sure the baby would rather die then be brought up with a family who didn't want it, are stressed, with low income. The child would most likely turn violent and then if that has kids it'd start this chain reaction of Townie children. And everybody hates Townies.

Pinky, if every female in the world had one abortion then we still wouldn't be in trouble. Oh, and please say the word instead of the numbers. What the Hell is a "240"!?

Pinky, you have the paranoia that my family want me to have, its very scary. They always go "Are you sure they're your friends?" or "You dont want to be waitering all your life" or "Its a big commitment a baby is" and i just brush it off cos i am very wise. However, you seem to be shit scared of somebody calling you a "Slut" if you hold hands. Whats with that!?

Also, what would you call a accident Pinky? If a woman gets pregnant and the Penis did not enter the Vagina would that be a accident? Or is that on purpose?

I do really pity you Pinky, your paranoia will get you know were in life and its a shame that your gonna miss out on alot of your life through your bringing up. Im so glad i was wise enough to laugh at my family's remarks, unlike little, ole you.

Pinky and Khanz, put yourself in this position. Your mothers get raped, beaten and left for dead. A couple of months later they find out they are pregnant. Your financial situation is critical and your barely going to get by if you have another child, so, your mother is pondering an abortion. She doesn't want to, but she feels it would be best for the family. She asks for your advice, do you support her?

Pinky, if a woman gets an abortion she isn't being selfish, she is thinking of her future and the people around her who may get hurt. Having the child would be selfish, as the father would be in deep shit and he would have to live with that regret for the rest of his life.

Sex these days is about fun, bonding and caring for someone. Not just for breeding. We are not animals (Well, Dolphins have recreational sex.) and we deserve to have some fun in our shit little lives. Its just so happens that sex is the fun that gives us children aswell...

Having the child is not selfish. Your being selfish by killing it makes more sense that way because you keeping it, you care about that child so much, you would do whatever you can to move on. How do you think keeping it is selfish?

You think sex is for fun? Your sick I pity you! It's not so fun when you can't find the father of your baby or when you find out your pregnant and can't take care of the baby. You don't get it Jacob, don't be so gullable and stop assuming that the world is innocent all the time. If you think that then you obvious think that no one is going to kill you. Some people don't care these days. You see people getting killed just by going to the ice cream man, you can't even walk to the post office anymore. I'm not paranoid, I watch my life and I just don't jump into anything because their might be a consequence to it and I really don't feel like facing it. Things can be avoided. Abortion is not the only option if you can't take care of the baby, you can:

Put it up for adoption
-Allow your relatives or God-parents have it
-Allow someone sterile who can't have children keep it
-Allow some temporarily take care of your child until you are financially ready.
-Get a job, you'll be alright.

You can have fun without doing sex you don't have to have sex in order to have fun. LOL.

Some women have sex because they want a baby and a family, fun is not the only thing Jacob, LOL! Sometimes people do sex in order for the money when you can go to school and get an education. We have kids who are 14 and 13 now stripping for money. Women have to carry the burden of a child not you. Sex is caring for someone else right? Well, when do you call it when a male leaves you with the baby and when you find out your pregnant and claims he's not the father? Does he still care about her? It happens. Don't worry Jacob, you will know the real deal when your older and living on your own.

Just because I have sex does not mean that I am missing out on life. Your going to live a horrible life if you naive about the world and I'm not paranoid I want to have sex when i am married. And you just condradicted you self by saying sex is not for breeding while you said we need sex in order to have children. Wha? I mean, your naive is scary and very dangerous Jacob and people will take advantage of you and use you.

So Jacob, give us some evidence on why you chose "pro-choice" instead of making fun of me because it's obvious that you don't have any evidence on why abortion is good. Tell us why.

Hah you do not know my family background. Just because I was brought up in my own family not to do such a thing, what about my extended family so you just need to be quiet. My aunt got an abortion so what does that tell you? You claim you know everyone's families but you don't.

[quetzalcoatl]

I guess I'm pro choice.

[Intern_485]

I don't like the way that some people on this thread are not respecting the opinions of the other people on the thread. First of all, I do know the difference between a piece of tissue and an infant. I also know right from wrong. Like I said before, there are a plethora of adoption agencies out there and it is not difficult to give up a baby to an adoption agency. Consider this for a minute...How can people not want to give up a baby to an adoption agency after it is born? Because they care about it, obviously. But don't they care about it before it is born? Apparently not, if they have an abortion. If they really cared, they wouldn't kill the baby. The bottom line is, abortion doesn't help anyone. Does it help the unborn child? No, it dies. Does it help the parents? No. 99% of the time, the parents feel guilt and regret afterward. And far, far too many times abortion is used to kill the unborn children of irresponsible partners that didn't use protection. That's my opinion, like it or not. Notice that I didn't attack anyone else's opinion or say that I thought they were stupid.

[Gluk Schmuck]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
1. Experience? If you have a baby then we would talk.

2. Ha Gluk, I bet you don't even know what they do to aborted babies. It's nasty.

3. Do you even know the definition of abortion.

1. He said he had experience of accidents.

2. I don't really care. Tell me if you wish though.

3. Yes.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Intern_485
I don't like the way that some people on this thread are not respecting the opinions of the other people on the thread. First of all, I do know the difference between a piece of tissue and an infant. I also know right from wrong. Like I said before, there are a plethora of adoption agencies out there and it is not difficult to give up a baby to an adoption agency. Consider this for a minute...How can people not want to give up a baby to an adoption agency after it is born? Because they care about it, obviously. But don't they care about it before it is born? Apparently not, if they have an abortion. If they really cared, they wouldn't kill the baby. The bottom line is, abortion doesn't help anyone. Does it help the unborn child? No, it dies. Does it help the parents? No. 99% of the time, the parents feel guilt and regret afterward. And far, far too many times abortion is used to kill the unborn children of irresponsible partners that didn't use protection. That's my opinion, like it or not. Notice that I didn't attack anyone else's opinion or say that I thought they were stupid.

Yeah your right on that Disgruntled Intern, you don't call people stupid and I will get better on not to attack people and I'm sorry and I do agree with your point Intern. Can I please state my reasons why I am against abortion without being criticized? Also, let's end this argument as peacefully as possible. Thanks you very much!

Anyways No matter what you do, abortion is not going to solve your problems and trying to rid the fact that you had a baby. If you kill a baby while you are conceived or you had a miscarriage or when your baby died when it was two weeks old, you still had a baby. The parents do regret what they do afterwards epecially the mother. A baby should be a gift not a curse. Does the baby deserve to live? It's not the baby's fault that it's put on this Earth and you kill it? It's not difficult to give up a baby to a adoption agency, your paying more for an abortion than you do to an adoption agency. Allow the baby to experience life. It's selfish because the mom's not thinking about the baby but her own needs.

[Intern_485]

Pro-choice people tend to think that pro-lifers are old-fashioned and naive. It's not right for people to attack my belief that human life is sacred but people love to do it anyway. I've seen too many stories of people suffocating their children and throwing them in the garbage. I don't see the difference between that and jamming a sharp object into the head of an unborn fetus. That's what they do...They stick a sharp, pointy utensil into the mother and shove it into the head of the fetus. Oh, if fetuses could talk. Wouldn't it be nice if they got to decide whether or not they wanted to live? Science has done some great things but abortion is just an example of how science can do bad things as well. (Oh, and for the people who will take this literally, I do know the difference between jamming a sharp object into a fetuses head and suffocating a baby. I just don't see a difference in principle.)

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Sometimes they take out the fetus and burn it, and cut it up. It's sad and nasty. You can see the baby's face and everything and tiny twiny little fwingy wingers. They would throw the burnt baby in the garbage. One baby looked fully developed but about a month old or so.

[Gluk Schmuck]

I've just found out why people keep calling foetuses babies. They're talking in American...

[Intern_485]

Fetuses are unborn babies, you know.

[sligster]

Did you know that if you abourt a fetus at an early enough stage, you can use the tissue to mend bones, heal sicknesses, and even cure cancer!!!

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by Gluk Schmuck
I've just found out why people keep calling foetuses babies. They're talking in American...

Nope, they are taking in European. Fetuses are babies. Research.

[Gluk Schmuck]

Originally posted by Intern_485
Fetuses are unborn babies, you know.

Not according to dictionary.com, an American dictionary...
Edit: I think I misread that. You are saying a 'fetus' is a baby before it's been born. That suggests you think it is still a baby when it's a 'fetus'... Right?

In English:
Baby
- Young child. I.e. before they can walk.

Foetus
- From 8 weeks (I think) after conception to birth.

Embryo
- Until 8 weeks after conception.


Dictionary.com cites 'fetus' as a synonym of 'baby.'

[Gluk Schmuck]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Fetuses are babies.

They certainly seem to be in America.

[PinkHaired Mudokon CWR]

Originally posted by sligster
Did you know that if you abourt a fetus at an early enough stage, you can use the tissue to mend bones, heal sicknesses, and even cure cancer!!!

Seriously? Why didn't they give that recently to the people who are dying of cancer now? But exactly what kind of cancer?

You can use tissue from adults to do that. It's more durable.

[sligster]

There has to be alot of fetal tissue to actually cure it. If theres not enogh you can encase it for a few weeks or until you get enough fetal tissue.

But unfortunatly, alot of hospitals don't have enough, even for the encasing.

[Gluk Schmuck]

Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
1. Seriously? Why didn't they give that recently to the people who are dying of cancer now? But exactly what kind of cancer?

2. You can use tissue from adults to do that. It's more durable.

1. I think he or she (?) is talking about stem cells found in foeuses (or embryos?). They haven't managed to cure cancer with it yet. That's mainly because too many governments have banned human stem cell research (bastards).
I recently saw something where a rat's spine had some fluid leaked and they used stem cells to restore full movement to the rat's hind legs (which is what was parylised by the fluid draining). It has great potential.

2. There have been stem cells found in adults but I'm not sure of the quality and quantity compared to those found in foetuses.

[Jacob]

You come off as immensly simple and your words just annoy me...really...they do. How many times do i have to repeat myself before you actually get my point!!

(1)Having the child is not selfish.(2) Your being selfish by killing it makes more sense that way because you keeping it,(2) you care about that child so much, you would do whatever you can to move on.(3) How do you think keeping it is selfish?

(1) - It is if your not thinking about people around you.

(2) - If your not financially stable and you have a child for your own reason to feel "Loved" whatever then that is selfishness, you have basically f*cked up everyone else in the process of finding your own "Happiness".

(3) - If you dont think of others when you do something like have a baby or not have a baby.

(1)You think sex is for fun?(2) Your sick I pity you!(3) It's not so fun when you can't find the father of your baby or when (4)you find out your pregnant and can't take care of the baby.(5) You don't get it Jacob,(6) don't be so gullable and(7) stop assuming that the world is innocent all the time.(8) If you think that then you obvious think that no one is going to kill you. (9)Some people don't care these days.(10) You see people getting killed just by going to the ice cream man, you can't even walk to the post office anymore.(11) I'm not paranoid,(12) I watch my life and I just don't jump into anything because their might be a consequence to it and I really don't feel like facing it. Things can be avoided.

(1) - Pinky, i never said sex IS fun. I said it can be used for fun.

(2) - Dont pity me. Your gonna have to be with somebody who believes in what you believe because a guy will not hang around for long with your attitude of;
"No, we cannot have sex. Yo. Because i dont want kids. Yo. And sex is only for breeding. Yo. Now lets go read the bible...Yo-Yo."

(3) - What is it with you!? IF YOU HAVE SEX WITH PRO-TEC-TION THEN THE LIKELYHOOD OF YOU GETTING PREGNANT IS MADE LOWER. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEX WITH PRECAUTIONS DOESN'T MEAN YOUR GOING TO GET PREGNANT INSTANTLY...IDIOT.

(4) - Then you get an abortion or give it away. Were in 20 yrs time your child comes looking for you saying "Why didnt you want me!?"

(5) - And you do?

(6) - Pinky, if you knew me you would have a hard time convincing me of convincible things. Blieve me.

(7) - I AM NOT. GOD, YOU ARE SO ANNOYING. WERE DID I SAY THAT THE WORLD IS INNOCENT!?

(8) - I am gettiing dragged closer and closer to the edge by your constant ramblings.

(9) - Like you. You dont care that one way is reasonable and YOUR way is not.

(10) - WHO CARES!? I DONT!!

(11) - Yes, yes you are.

(12) - If everyone thought like you people wouldn't drive in fear of crashing. But they wear seatbelts and take PRECAUTIONS when they do something that could have consequences. Oh, and Pinky. You do realise there are alot of legal issues with the alternatives that you mentioned.

You can have fun without doing sex you don't have to have sex in order to have fun. LOL.

Sex is something fun for adults to do. It also allows them to bond and get to know each other better. Sex IS FUN!!

Some women have sex because they want a baby and a family, fun is not the only thing Jacob, LOL! Sometimes people do sex in order for the money when you can go to school and get an education. We have kids who are 14 and 13 now stripping for money. Women have to carry the burden of a child not you. Sex is caring for someone else right? Well, when do you call it when a male leaves you with the baby and when you find out your pregnant and claims he's not the father? Does he still care about her? It happens. Don't worry Jacob, you will know the real deal when your older and living on your own.

Ok, in this paragraph not only did you patronise me but you blabbered about 13 year olds stripping. Why!?

(1)Just because I have sex does not mean that I am missing out on life.(2) Your going to live a horrible life if you naive about the world and I'm not paranoid(3) I want to have sex when i am married.(4) And you just condradicted you self by saying sex is not for breeding while you said we need sex in order to have children. Wha?(5) I mean, your naive is scary and very dangerous Jacob and (6)people will take advantage of you and use you.

(1) - I never said it meant that. Thats something you brought up yourself which means that on a subconcious level your thinking that.

(2) - No i am not. Im going to live in good, immoral life with immensly good sex.

(3) - No man (Unless he is of the same religion as you) will wait 3 years for sex.

(4) - No, i said sex doesn't have to be about breeding all the time. It can be about fun.

(5) - Naive? Ok, if you say so.

(6) - The last person who attempted to take advantage of me left the school. Literally.

My aunt got an abortion so what does that tell you?

It tells me you aunt is down to Earth. Unlike you and your parents.

Pinky, i am pro-choice mainly because its the parents choice. The parent will have their life destroyed by a un-wanted child. Pinky, i bet you were unwanted...it wouldn't surprise me really. And i personally think that no other person should interfere in a persons private life. If they want a child, they wont have an abortion (Unless forced) and visa versa. Its a shame that tossers like you are making the 'parents' feel guilty by saying what you do. Its nasty and cruel. Feel free to share your opinions but dont make people feel like shit when you do so...You Pro-lifers are bastards...really, you are. I have seen spokespeople for your side. And they are nasty, naive and wankers. They go on about the parents not being properly prepared...thats just out of order, you cant go around saying that to traumatised Abortee's.

Also, Pinky. Ask, at least, 5 people if they have recreational sex. Ask a range of people, not just your parents or your religious cult peeps.

I am sickened by the lot of you pro-lifers actually. You are very malicious people.