Earlier versions of NnT during development

[Vlam]

Yes, but about EA : it's just Lanning's viewpoint.

[Phylum]

The main problem : what is Lanning's EA? NnT was never a Quintology of money and promises. If Stranger and Citizen Siege were real then why does this idea exist?

[squeak117]

Played New 'n' Tasty until Paramonian Temples and got genuinely frustrated at the poor quality of just about everything.

I think my reason for disliking NnT is that it seemed like it was made more by programmers than by artists. I don't know enough about programming to tell you if it was specifically well programmed, but the fact of the matter is, Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee was just beautiful. I'd say it's my number one reason for even getting into drawing when I was a kid.
The sound design perfectly complemented the animation which complimented the characters which complemented the environments. It was a game made by artists and storytellers and due to all that artistic talent in so many different areas working together, it was greater than the sum of its parts.

New 'n' Tasty was just a mediocre 3D indie platformer.

It's almost the exact opposite of why I don't like Fallout 4 (though I didn't really play any more than an hour of it, I did watch my housemate play a lot). A game with clearly a massive art focus, with not that much focus at all on actual good game design.

If New 'n' Tasty had been made the same way as AO but with higher resolution assets, it would've been amazing; and I can almost guarantee it would've been much, much better received by everyone because it's still not something that's being done by anyone.
I'll be honest, I have no fucking clue how expensive that might be -- but it's what needed to happen; not just for the old fans, but as a point of difference from other platformers to bring in new fans as well.

My two cents, anyway. Have a shitload more to say but most of it (including everything above) looks like it's already been said.

[Stranger4002]

Don't wanna come across as if I'm bashing N'n'T, as I did like it for the most part and took Abe's Oddysee in an interesting direction.

But from what I'm seeing on this thread, there's a lot of good stuff cut that I think was pretty stupid. I didn't like the fact they added brightness to the aesthetic to Rupturefarms, really ruined the gritty used-future vibe it had in the original. The Motion Sensors I really disliked, they were so cumbersome compared to AO - the fact they were more akin in the initial development comes off as an insult to injury. Plus, smoke instead of shadows? Where did that idea even originate from? What is the purpose of excreting smoke from the pathways within the factory? (And outdoor locations too, come to think of it!) Perhaps it's just me, but that doesn't seem to make much sense. As for Bigface's new design? Don't get me started. No matter how good N'n'T is, it will never surpass AO.

Not only that, but it seemed to also be a vehicle to fix continuity between AO and AE, as well as MO. I'm talking things like Abe's voice being more akin to his in AE, adding Sligs with eye shaped visors, adding easter eggs to AE and MO (Soulstorm Brew, Splinterz - mind you, AE did have a reference to Vykker's lab), absence of Mud's ponytails and the addition of Alf's fez. These don't bother me as much, but they don't seem to be absolutely necessary either.

No matter how good N'n'T is, it will never surpass AO. To be honest, at this point; I look forward to a new Oddworld game rather than a remake.

[FrustratedAssassin]

...Big Face's new design? What new design?

[Varrok]

If Big Face had a redesign, I must have missed it entirely

[Alf Shall Rise]

Uh...the stripes on his arms and legs? The eyeholes being a little bigger? I have no idea

[Varrok]

He does look a little angrier in the original

[FrustratedAssassin]

They just added tattoos on him to make him look like the native Mudokons from MO. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Alf Shall Rise]

He does look a little angrier in the original

Just another aspect of AO that was ruined.

[FrustratedAssassin]

Pre-order cancelled.

[STM]

0/10000 Big Face not angry enough.

[Manco]

Big Face more like Big Disgrace

[Varrok]

He's also not the correct green

[Admiral Zaarin]

All in all I have enjoyed N'n'T but there are several things that I found annoying. Certain animations look unnatural. They are too fast and antsy which makes them look goofy. Smooth naturalistic animations are hard to do so maybe the devs being an indie team with limited experience couldn't have done any better anyway. But there's another thing which is worse in my opinion. There are flickering 'hint' lights like those under all the levers. Of course there were hints in the old games, too. But those blended with the ambience and these lights look out of place especially in the 'native' environments.

A fun thing in N'n'T is that there are many identical high-voltage (like ~100-150 kV judging by the inlets) power transformers scattered in random places of Rupture Farms while all of them not being connected to any power source.

Leaving the nitpicking aside, it's good to see that they've actually released the game rather than running into some major issues and halting the developement.

[Vlam]

#OddFact - In early versions of NnT, the fan in the vent here was an obstacle teaching players 'crouch'. pic.twitter.com/V2mGE0DFtv

— Oddworld Inc (@OddworldInc) 9 Février 2016

[FrustratedAssassin]

Wow, vlam posted something interesting and cool for once. Keep it up.

[Alf Shall Rise]

I wonder why they removed that. I mean, it doesn't really matter either way, but I still wonder.

[Mudokon_Master]

It seems like they might have been toying with the idea of a more intuitive tutorial, as opposed to reading the scrolling LED screens. They probably realised they would have had to do this for all the other gameplay mechanics as well, straying too far from the original. It's all about being consistent.

[Crashpunk]

That was in the original Abe HD trailer. I liked the idea honestly.

[Mudokon_Master]

I would have welcomed that style of tutorial, as the old one is a bit tedious for this day and age. Learning controls that way seems to stick in people's minds better also.

[Nate]

Wow, vlam posted something interesting and cool for once. Keep it up.

Please dial down the snark two or three notches. Thanks.

[FrustratedAssassin]

But I was being serious.

[Varrok]

I don't really think she crossed the line, either

[Vlam]

Or Nate didn't find this video interesting.

By the way, who is behind 'Oddworld Inc' (Wil, Alex, Lanning)?

[Crashpunk]

I always thought it was Wil. Might not be though.

[Nate]

It may have been Wil at some stage, I'm not sure. I don't think he's currently in charge of the tweeting, though.