Type of toxic gas used in AO and AE? -

erwinraaben55 · #61 12-09-2010, 01:33 PM

I am just messing with you Jango

0.003%: Cough Cough
0.1%: Fatal dosis
0.2%: Quick fatal dosis
2%: Instant death
20%: 10 times worse than instant death: Dying before you are even in contact with the stuff (say 2 meter away from you) (I know this is not possible, instant death is instant death).

Getting the picture now??

See I was just suggesting what would be more worse than instant death if concentrations go beyond 2%. Course the outcome stays the same: Instant death, so I was just joking.

Nubstrike · #62 12-09-2010, 01:34 PM

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Perhaps the chlorine is not quite a high enough concentration to harm them, or the Glukkons simply are resistant to it.

The fact is that chlorine is a very simple substance (it's not even a compound, but an element!), and, as far as I know, would affect many species. The Glukkons would be somewhat affected themselves, even if maybe less severely than Mudokons.

Then again, maybe the thick layer of soot from cigar smoking is what protects their airways and lungs

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But on your interesting point about it being specific to mudokons, I do think is likely. The game developers might have based it on the fact that stereotypically, toxic gas is green in colour.

Yeah, probably they thought of a green toxic gas and they realised how funny it would be if the Glukkons died from their own toxic gas so they made it Mudokon-specific...

STM · #63 12-09-2010, 01:40 PM

So it's a chemical based substance of gaseous form that poisons only mudokons, we'll let's see, mammals die from arsenic, it is our human poison, and since mudokons appear to have evolved from an avian species, it would lead me to believe that it may be a form of selenium, what poisons birds as arsenic does to humans?

Jango · #64 12-09-2010, 01:41 PM

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I am just messing with you Jango

0.003%: Cough Cough
0.1%: Fatal dosis
0.2%: Quick fatal dosis
2%: Instant death
20%: 10 times worse than instant death: Dying before you are even in contact with the stuff (say 2 meter away from you) (I know this is not possible, instant death is instant death).

Getting the picture now??

See I was just suggesting what would be more worse than instant death if concentrations go beyond 2%. Course the outcome stays the same: Instant death, so I was just joking.

Yeah, I see what you mean.

The chlorine probably would kill you (because it is so strong and corrosive) even if you didn't breathe it at a 20% concentration. Your skin would just dissolve and react instantly.

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The fact is that chlorine is a very simple substance (it's not even a compound, but an element!), and, as far as I know, would affect many species. The Glukkons would be somewhat affected themselves, even if maybe less severely than Mudokons.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

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Then again, maybe the thick layer of soot from cigar smoking is what protects their airways and lungs

Possible, but I very much doubt that.

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So it's a chemical based substance of gaseous form that poisons only mudokons, we'll let's see, mammals die from arsenic, it is our human poison, and since mudokons appear to have evolved from an avian species, it would lead me to believe that it may be a form of selenium, what poisons birds as arsenic does to humans?

Good point. Perhaps it is some sort of selenium compound? It couldn't be pure selenium, because it is a grey-red solid.

Nubstrike · #65 12-09-2010, 02:04 PM

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Good point. Perhaps it is some sort of selenium compound? It couldn't be pure selenium, because it is a grey-red solid.

Me goes for Hydrogen Selenide

(hazard info below)
http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/HY/hydrogen_selenide.html

OANST · #66 12-09-2010, 02:06 PM

My guess is that it's the glow in the dark stuff that Jango and I made with his home chemistry set. That stuff was lethal!

Mac Sirloin · #67 12-09-2010, 02:26 PM

VIDEO GAMES

Hey, you know what it might be? A line of coding in a video game that has absolutely no connection to real life, and no elements that could be used to assess a connection. The fact that this thread is three pages long and has a majority of serious posts absolutely baffles me.

***Wil*** · #68 12-09-2010, 02:29 PM

Everyone already knows that. But I've done my fair share of over-analysis in the the (now quite distant) past, and there's no real harm. Let the people flex their imaginations. Or whatever it is they're flexing. Nerdinations?

Mac Sirloin · #69 12-09-2010, 02:37 PM

I know what I'm flexing.

***Nate*** · #70 12-09-2010, 05:35 PM

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Glukkons are much bigger and look physically tougher than mudokons.

Only because of their suits. Their actual bodies are much smaller.

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So it's a chemical based substance of gaseous form that poisons only mudokons, we'll let's see, mammals die from arsenic, it is our human poison, and since mudokons appear to have evolved from an avian species, it would lead me to believe that it may be a form of selenium, what poisons birds as arsenic does to humans?

Erm... how about arsenic?

moxco · #71 12-10-2010, 01:28 AM

Here's a thought. Maybe OWI didn't base it off a specific gas; maybe they didn't check every detail of the game with experts of their respective fields. Maybe it was just an invented gas for the purpose of the game?

I thought it rather obvious.

***Nate*** · #72 12-10-2010, 04:44 AM

You're really not getting in to the spirit of the OD subforum, Moxco.

lismati · #73 12-10-2010, 06:38 AM

It may be something genetically hard-coded to mudokons. Or other way - Glukkons may get something like vaccine to make them... erm... Gas-Proof?

Jango · #74 12-10-2010, 07:03 AM

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It may be something genetically hard-coded to mudokons. Or other way - Glukkons may get something like vaccine to make them... erm... Gas-Proof?

Yeah, maybe.

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Me goes for Hydrogen Selenide

But wouldn't that harm the Glukkons?

Oddey · #75 12-10-2010, 07:15 AM

Isn't it entirely plausible that Oddworld has it's own set of gasses?

If not, would it be possible that it is in fact not gas, but merely called that, because it seems the most obvious idea? Is it possible that the "gas" is really a virus of some sort that only affects mudokons, while being completely visible?

Jango · #76 12-10-2010, 07:29 AM

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Isn't it entirely plausible that Oddworld has it's own set of gasses?

If not, would it be possible that it is in fact not gas, but merely called that, because it seems the most obvious idea? Is it possible that the "gas" is really a virus of some sort that only affects mudokons, while being completely visible?

Yes, that is possible, but a virus wouldn't kill Abe so quickly.

Also, this thread assumes that the gas used to kill Abe exists on Earth. But yes, it could have its own set of gasses.

STM · #77 12-10-2010, 08:18 AM

Maybe it's not gas...maybe they remove all the air and then turn on green spotlights, to a mudokon that's just an enormous fuck you.

Jango · #78 12-10-2010, 08:20 AM

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Maybe it's not gas...maybe they remove all the air and then turn on green spotlights, to a mudokon that's just an enormous fuck you.

Lol.

How would they remove the air?

***Wil*** · #79 12-10-2010, 08:22 AM

How are the Sligs and Glukkons surviving without air, and how are we seeing the green light if there's no atmosphere to scatter it?

Jango · #80 12-10-2010, 08:25 AM

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How are the Sligs and Glukkons surviving without air, and how are we seeing the green light if there's no atmosphere to scatter it?

Yes, that's a good point there. And also, Abe would last much longer than he does in the gas if he only died through lack of oxygen.

STM · #81 12-10-2010, 08:25 AM

Uh, makes no sense, there's no atmoshpere in space but we see the Sun. BIATCH!

But sersiously, I was joking although they might have pumps and they might remove the oxygen as avian species require more o2 than water related species and slug like species require even less than them.

Jango · #82 12-10-2010, 08:29 AM

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Uh, makes no sense, there's no atmoshpere in space but we see the Sun. BIATCH!

But sersiously, I was joking although they might have pumps and they might remove the oxygen as avian species require more o2 than water related species and slug like species require even less than them.

Yeah, it's possible. They might lower the oxygen to a 0.1% concentration. Then, they would replace that 20.9%, that they just got rid of, with some green-coloured harmless gas.

STM · #83 12-10-2010, 08:43 AM

Hell yeah

MA · #84 12-10-2010, 08:52 AM

its cucumber fumes.

***Wil*** · #85 12-10-2010, 08:59 AM

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Uh, makes no sense, there's no atmoshpere in space but we see the Sun. BIATCH!

Because the Sun emits light in all directions, including directly at the Earth. Spotlights only illuminate one spot unless the light is scattered.

erwinraaben55 · #86 12-10-2010, 09:03 AM

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Uh, makes no sense, there's no atmoshpere in space but we see the Sun. BIATCH!

It does! That is why we can SEE the sun, because it isn't blocked by other particles that float in the way (it does sometimes, when there are a lot of water particles (clouds) in front of it. If space was full of clouds, you would never see the sun. The sun itself are alot of hot particles, thus you can see that.

STM · #87 12-10-2010, 09:05 AM

Fairplay Max

***Nate*** · #88 12-10-2010, 04:25 PM

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How are the Sligs and Glukkons surviving without air, and how are we seeing the green light if there's no atmosphere to scatter it?

Sligs breathe through their masks. Glukkons have a pocket of air trapped within their suits and, in an emergency, can breathe through their nipples.

STM · #89 12-10-2010, 05:07 PM

Hmm, if we were to analyse this whole thing, there are a number of inconsistencies that make for hard debate, probably, the developers nver thought about making the glukkons choke however...It is definitely a gas and it causes Abe to physically choke and cough before he died so mustard gas?

ziggy · #90 12-10-2010, 05:23 PM

It was concentrated fart gas all along!! Glukkon farts, so they are immune to it while Mudokons will die from it. (Hence the laughing in the last in game scene of AO when the glukkons are laughing at you if you die from the gas there. You are dying from their own farts.)