Virginia Tech Massacre - 32 Shot Dead by 1 Man -

Fortesque13 · #61 04-19-2007, 02:49 PM

This is wierd...
The guy has expressionless expression on his face...
And his eyes...
So empty...
Anyway, it looked like he was in some kind of a trance for that last part of the video, but again, it might just be me...

Al the Vykker · #62 04-19-2007, 04:48 PM

Dr. Phil is what many psychologists define as a crackpot. He has some good ideas sometimes, but please Violent video games to blame? They always forget that correlation does not equal causation. Not to mention I play violent video games all the time and have since I was growing up and I'm calm and collected and don't act out irrational thoughts or imaginery/real world conflicts with violent behavior or deadly actions and I know I am no where near alone in that. Where are the theories on environment factors, nature/nurture, family, friends, societies' role in all of this? I hate when people defuse responsibility from what could be the real causes and instead use the cliche and for that matter moot points.

Patrick Vykkers · #63 04-19-2007, 05:38 PM

Violent video games have about as much to do with actual violence as Harry Potter has to do with devil worship.

Fortesque13 · #64 04-19-2007, 06:05 PM

Exactly! They find one out of a lot of people who murder on this planet... Oh wait! He's different! He has..........COUNTER STRIKE!!!! OMGWTFHELLNO! And then assholes that agree with Mr. Thompson arrive and start talking about violence in video games and how it should be banned! While actually there's about 300% more murderers that don't even know what video games are!(okay, maybe they do, but they don't play them) Not only that, but every single "videogamekiller" story I've read in the "bloody pixels" section says that the killers have a psychological disorder, took pills that raise violence level, etc. etc...

EDIT:If they really do ban violence there might be no more oddworld... I hate that thought, although I'm not really a hardcore fan, but I think the game is innovative! I hated one special kind of violence in OW games... the BAD ENDING violence. It just made me feel sick to cut up poor Abe, or that scene where they get the tears... not to mention poor Munch in MO...

snuzi · #65 04-19-2007, 07:28 PM

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This is wierd...
The guy has expressionless expression on his face...
And his eyes...
So empty...
Anyway, it looked like he was in some kind of a trance for that last part of the video, but again, it might just be me...

It was probably because he recently killed those two people. People tend to get a twisted expression on their faces after they commit a murder. Especially when it's their first.

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Violent video games have about as much to do with actual violence as Harry Potter has to do with devil worship.

QFT.

Statikk HDM · #66 04-20-2007, 05:55 AM

This happened on my birthday. How shitty is that? I'll turn 21 next year and all this Virginia Tech stuff will dominate the news and everybody will be talking about it. And I don't want to be all like "Hello! I'm 21 here! Major Birthday! STOP TALKING ABOUT CHO DAMN YOU!" because I'll look like a dick.

OddjobAbe · #67 04-20-2007, 07:13 AM

This whole damn incident is terrible - 32 innocent people killed, all a school massacre? Disgusting. I feel really sorry for both the victims and the relatives of the victims. I can't even begin to imagine what the victims' relatives are going through. I saw this on the news last night, as well as portions of the video that the sick young child made. I can only say that I'm glad Cho dead. He was a real danger to all in that area. It's filth like Cho that spoil this world. If he was still around, I'd wring the little git around the neck. I hate him, and I hope that Cho doesn't get a good funeral, if he gets one at all. He doesn't deserve one. In fact, I believe his body deserves to just be fed to the dogs. I feel strongly about this case, as one of my late relatives were killed in a massacre, but I don't want to discuss it.

All in all, I hate murderers, I hate cowards (who are basically murderers that shoot themselves afterwards, and even if they don't, I believe they are cowards), and I hate the fact that this has happened. I hope all thirty-two of the victims get as much respect as they deserve. Lastly, I don't know how to end this post. I could go on forever how I feel about this case.

snuzi · #68 04-20-2007, 10:17 AM

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All in all, I hate murderers, I hate cowards (who are basically murderers that shoot themselves afterwards, and even if they don't, I believe they are cowards), and I hate the fact that this has happened.

How are murderers cowards exactly?

OddjobAbe · #69 04-20-2007, 10:25 AM

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How are murderers cowards exactly?

They can't accept something that someone has done, or that someone is different, so they go off and kill them.

snuzi · #70 04-20-2007, 10:37 AM

That's not exactly a cowardly act. In their minds it's a means of achieving superiority.

OddjobAbe · #71 04-20-2007, 10:44 AM

I suppose it's a matter of fact and opinion what is a cowardly act and what's not, but you're probably right, Snuzi.

Fortesque13 · #72 04-20-2007, 03:32 PM

It might look cowardly to you, but to them it makes them feel far more superior than, for example, an old bully. Think of it this way: The guy(or gang) bullied you for several years in the school. You come back a while after seeking revenge and you have the desire to see the fear in their eyes while you have the control over their fate. That's what makes killers feel superior, so they don't really think of it as an cowardly act, more like a revenge.

Havoc · #73 04-20-2007, 05:47 PM

It makes him FEEL superior? You're saying it like he THINKS he is...

The guy's got a gun in your face... he IS superior... and there is nothing cowardly to killing someone. Takes some huge freaking balls to pull a trigger and see someone die with your own eyes. Unless your doing it in a blackout which this guy obviously didn't do, so he saw everyone who he shot die. That gets to every single person. Now the act turns cowardly as soon as the killer kills himself, because then he is to cowardly to deal with what he just did. But if this guy would have emptied his guns and surrendered himself to the police, I guarantee you not only would he feel good about it, he'd get a fanclub and I'd join it because anyone who can shoot up a school and still have the guts to walk away from it without taking his own life deserves at least a bit of applause, no matter how horrific the act was.

Havoc

Fortesque13 · #74 04-20-2007, 05:52 PM

In a sick, disgustingly disappealing way you're actually right! I just wonder if there would be anyone stupid enough to think of doing that kind of thing and actually getting the thought of getting away with it... Not suicide!

snuzi · #75 04-20-2007, 05:56 PM

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It makes him FEEL superior? You're saying it like he THINKS he is...

The guy's got a gun in your face... he IS superior... and there is nothing cowardly to killing someone. Takes some huge freaking balls to pull a trigger and see someone die with your own eyes. Unless your doing it in a blackout which this guy obviously didn't do, so he saw everyone who he shot die. That gets to every single person. Now the act turns cowardly as soon as the killer kills himself, because then he is to cowardly to deal with what he just did. But if this guy would have emptied his guns and surrendered himself to the police, I guarantee you not only would he feel good about it, he'd get a fanclub and I'd join it because anyone who can shoot up a school and still have the guts to walk away from it without taking his own life deserves at least a bit of applause, no matter how horrific the act was.

Havoc

Actually, when dealing with a psychopath, or in this case, a paranoid schizophrenic, it doesn't really take anything for them to do something like this. For them, it's as easy to decide to kill someone as it is to brush their teeth in the morning. All they have to do is decide to do it, and it's as good as done.

As for him killing himself, it isn't an act of cowardice, but a means of glorification. In his mind, he felt that by killing himself, he would be immortalized as the killer of all those individuals, and be spoken about for years to come. It was just a means of sealing the deal, and making himself famous.

Havoc · #76 04-20-2007, 05:58 PM

Well in any case, if I ever run into a school and kill a few dozen people, I better get a fanclub or I'm gonna kill some more f*ckers!

Havoc

snuzi · #77 04-20-2007, 06:00 PM

You would. There will always be people who admire this sort of insanity.

Fortesque13 · #78 04-20-2007, 06:00 PM

You brutal hunter...

Havoc · #79 04-20-2007, 06:05 PM

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You would. There will always be people who admire this sort of insanity.

Well people tend to admire the things they can't do for them selfs. It's how the human mind works. Monkey see monkey do, unless monkey cannot do then monkey admire.

On a side note; There's also plenty of people who think Hitler was a bloody genius and I'm one of them. And before I explain why that is I'm gonna wait and see if anyone can figure it out.

Havoc

snuzi · #80 04-20-2007, 06:08 PM

Is it because he had the remarkable ability to convince people to join his insane cause, just by speaking to them?

Or is it because he had the same moustache as Charlie Chaplin?

Havoc · #81 04-20-2007, 06:18 PM

Little bit of both. Anyone who can convince and entire nation that jews are bad and that invading an entire continent is a good idea should have a medal pinned on them IMO, despite what happened after that.
Same principle applies with someone shooting up a school.

Havoc

***Nate*** · #82 04-20-2007, 06:43 PM

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Dr. Phil is what many psychologists define as a crackpot. He has some good ideas sometimes, but please Violent video games to blame? They always forget that correlation does not equal causation. Not to mention I play violent video games all the time and have since I was growing up and I'm calm and collected and don't act out irrational thoughts or imaginery/real world conflicts with violent behavior or deadly actions and I know I am no where near alone in that. Where are the theories on environment factors, nature/nurture, family, friends, societies' role in all of this? I hate when people defuse responsibility from what could be the real causes and instead use the cliche and for that matter moot points.

More than that; Dr. Phil blamed video games and movies before he even knew who they guy was and whether he had played games or watched violent movies.

snuzi · #83 04-20-2007, 06:56 PM

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Little bit of both. Anyone who can convince and entire nation that jews are bad and that invading an entire continent is a good idea should have a medal pinned on them IMO, despite what happened after that.
Same principle applies with someone shooting up a school.

Havoc

I agree. I envy the fact that people possess such an ability. It really is remarkable how a speech could inspire an entire nation to hate a certain group of people.

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More than that; Dr. Phil blamed video games and movies before he even knew who they guy was and whether he had played games or watched violent movies.

Ugh, I hate it when people actually believe playing violent video games inspires kids to commit such heinous crimes. I mean, thousands, or even millions of people play 'em, and yet the U.S. has only had two of these shootings. Dr. Phil's right. It's definitely video games. Let's blatantly disregard the fact that the assailant was mentally disturbed.

SeaRex · #84 04-20-2007, 07:15 PM

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Violent video games have about as much to do with actual violence as Harry Potter has to do with devil worship.

Not true. It is my understanding that no one in Harry Potter worships the devil, where in video games, people do things that are actually violent all the time.

Video games that involve violence have been scientifically proven to enhance negative/violent instincts (instincts, not desires) in people. It's psychological conditioning, pure and simple. If you walk down a hallway and shoot a man that suddenly walks out in front of you enough, chances are you would do the exact same thing in a similar situation in real life. That's just what video games do; they put you in a situation where your brain has to make quick "fight or flight" decisions, and after a while, it falls into a routine.

However, video games DO NOT make people do violent things on their own; they DO NOT drive people to crime. CounterStrike did not make the Virginia Tech killer go out and shoot all those people. To blame all of his imperfections as a human being on a single source (like video games, which is what Jack Thompson and a lot of other people tend to do) would simply be ludicrous.

In short, video games don't make you want to kill people, but they do condition you to act violently in a stressful, potentially dangerous situation. Just food for thought.

Al the Vykker · #85 04-20-2007, 07:29 PM

Well on the talk of Psychopaths if the Virginia Tech killer was indeed one, I'm thinking not simply because some of the disturbed writings albeit ****ed up there is emotion behind them, it could have been a form of paranoid schizophrenia or any other disorder, borderline personality disorder, etc. Regardless, the only cure for a psychopath is a bullet, or psychosurgery aka frontal lobotomy. On that note, whoever said it earlier was exactly right that a psychopath (no conscience) it takes no bravery (I'm not going to even call it that anyways because I still do think it's cowardly) to shoot up a bunch of people when you feel nothing, the fact he took his life though leans me further to the fact he wasnt as he wouldn't have been afraid of prison but who knows?

snuzi · #86 04-20-2007, 07:41 PM

I'm leaning more towards him being a paranoid schizophrenic. True, he showed signs of psychopathy, but his behavior and his actions prior to the massacre suggest that he was a disturbed individual. And as I mentioned earlier, I believe that in his twisted mind, he felt that by taking his own life, he'd be a legend of sorts. I don't believe that he was afraid of prison in the least. His death was probably the last phase of his "plan" to achieve some sort of sick glory.

SeaRex · #87 04-20-2007, 07:55 PM

Pchh. The kid was scum.

People on the news show his video and talk about him like he was a criminal mastermind. He was just some overly emotional kid. His death video sounded like bad emo poetry.

The fact that this guy was so stupid just makes this tragedy even more potent. Not an ounce of criminal genius in his entire body.

snuzi · #88 04-20-2007, 08:08 PM

I know, seriously! It's cringe-inducing having to listen to him speak. I honestly don't understand why people were so affected by those videos. He wasn't the least bit intimidating, and the things he was saying didn't make any sense. As I said earlier, he sounds like Napoleon Dynamite.

This kid was just a geek with a screw loose, and they're making him sound like some action hero.

Fortesque13 · #89 04-21-2007, 03:12 AM

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However, video games DO NOT make people do violent things on their own; they DO NOT drive people to crime. CounterStrike did not make the Virginia Tech killer go out and shoot all those people.

That is true, but the Virginia Tech killer wasn't under the effect of CS. I was just mentioning another guy to start about human stupidity about video games and violence on another example.

***Nate*** · #90 04-21-2007, 06:19 AM

Continuing on from my last post; here is Jack Thompson doing what he does. The good thing about this video is the journalist calls him on the shit he's pulling.