Oddworld Forums > Zulag Two > Forum Suggestions & Help


 
Thread Tools
 
  #61  
09-17-2005, 09:17 PM
AquaticAmbi's Avatar
AquaticAmbi
Fish out of Water
 
: Sep 2004
: Florida
: 1,178
Rep Power: 21
AquaticAmbi  (10)

:
Quote: Originally Posted by AquaticAmbi
And you've also missed a hell of a lot of sarcastic remarks about everything you've ever said you were. My belief is that you got to be "a respected member" by these lies. Sort of.. because I think a big handful of us were only playing along.

You know what? That doesn't do you any favours at all - it makes you look like a spitefully dishonest individual who goes behind people's backs to humour them and jest at their expense. Frankly if I was a friend of yours, after reading that I'd be instantly repelled, because god only knows what you'd been saying about me.

You can forget any ideas you may have of ever regaining any of my respect. I'm not going to be fooled by your act again.
Heh. Pretty fucking ironic that you’re giving me a lecture on honesty. Anyway, not people’s backs, your back because it’s hard not to talk about someone who spews out lies everywhere and then see some members swallow every lie you feed them.

Though I do regret ever playing along simply because it was easier and I was tired of arguing.

:
Quote: Originally Posted by AquaticAmbi
there's no way around it.


Yeah don't you wish.

There's plenty of ways around it, that's what this thread is all about. And if you and your peons hadn't kicked and screamed and made such a big fuss trying to divert the attention, maybe I would've gotten somewhere a little earlier on. But it seems Ambi that as much as you like to take up your argument with Used and myself, there are many other members who are still very well respected who aren't falling for your shit, and I notice you're not taking issue with them half as much as you are with me.
Once more I find quoting myself as the most efficient response.

:
Maybe it is possible for there to be more equality on forums ... but highly improbable for there to be perfect and pure equality with no favoritism. But seriously, take a look at the members who seem to get away with stuff more, how many of them do you have a serious problem with for spamming or whatever? I honestly can't think of a single respected member who annoys me when they get away with something. It's because they've proved themselves as good, reliable, and contributive members and they deserve more leniency and whatnot.
As for the others, I’m trying to clear up things with them without pointless argument. I’ve never had conflicts with them before, so I’m trying to overlook anything that seemed to be a blow at me, like Shrink’s saying he bets I’ll be made a mod simply because of favoritism or something.

Speaking of Shrink’s post, I’ll also say the part he quoted me, saying “get over it” may need more explanation although I think I’ve said all this before. The forums’ favoritism isn’t at some high degree. In a way, I think almost all regular members are favored/get away with a little, etc. because they’ve proven themselves. If there was a high degree of it, completely ignoring all the rules for some and then completely enforcing them on others, creating some huge division among the posters, I’d make a topic about it myself even if I had the advantage. But believe what you will.

:
Face it Ambi, you lose this time. You're never going to be able to slow this whole thing down unless you turn against almost half the regular members of the board, and I hardly think a little popularity queen such as yourself would ever do a thing like that.
I lose? ...What? Sounds like this all a big game to you. Not that it’s a life or death situation, but still. And why exactly would I be turning against half of the members?

:
Quote: Originally Posted by AquaticAmbi
Trust me, I'd love it if everyone was treated perfectly equal, but much like the real world, life on forums will never be completely fair either.


Total BS, you would hate it. You'd have to follow the rules and behave yourself. If you loved the idea of it so much you'd be more willing to give it a try. But oh wait I forget, your mastermind of prediction allowed you to work out in advance that the whole idea of fairness is 100% certain to fail.
But... I do follow the rules as much as any other regular poster can be expected.

And I do love that idea, but find it pretty idealistic. It’s far out of my nature for me to say “Well, that’s just how the world is, so accept it”, but really, I find OWF to be such a fair place that there’s not much of it to complain about. There’s never been a time when I’ve seen a respected poster be punished for something unfairly. But, of course, if there’s any realistic ideas that you or anyone else has to make this place even more fair, suggest away.

Kimon, thanks for that. I quite dislike golden showers, but I do miss the golden days that you speak of.

Edit: Mmyep, it does suck that everyone thinks that I'm all for favoritism simply because I don't think it's a big issue here.
__________________
Only a fool in here would think he's got anything to prove


Last edited by AquaticAmbi; 09-17-2005 at 09:21 PM..
  #62  
09-17-2005, 10:20 PM
Cyber-Slig's Avatar
Cyber-Slig
Registered User
 
: Jul 2004
: Mongolia
: 1,225
Rep Power: 0
Cyber-Slig  (10)

I just completely lost all respect for Dino. Is it even possible for you to have a civil arguement?

And Ambi, perhaps it's harder for you to see un-fairness, because being the admin's Girlfriend, you're obviously favoured (Not that you've done anything bad), it's easier to see from a less-popular view.

Used, by going back, I didn't mean have clone threads. I mean the attitude back then, the better mod behaviour then (Well, except DI) and the better quality of threads. Half of our new threads are just over-sexed or down-right stupid.
  #63  
09-17-2005, 10:22 PM
used:)'s Avatar
used:)
Symphonium
 
: Jun 2005
: Tranquil Vestiges, PA
: 5,161
Blog Entries: 42
Rep Power: 25
used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)used:)  (3040)

Well do you expaect us to make a transition instantly? Things will change over time.
__________________
hahaha

  #64  
09-17-2005, 10:28 PM
Cyber-Slig's Avatar
Cyber-Slig
Registered User
 
: Jul 2004
: Mongolia
: 1,225
Rep Power: 0
Cyber-Slig  (10)

No no, I don't expect a complete transition. But if the mods just put their foot down again, everything will go handy-dandy, even if it takes time.
  #65  
09-18-2005, 12:58 AM
Hobo's Avatar
Hobo
Honorary Smod
Chronically Awesome
 
: Feb 2003
: London
: 6,741
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 29
Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)

I tire of this argument.

Conclusions - Be good or we'll ban your ass. Even if we like you.

EDIT - It also wouldn't surprise me if you're only intention s to kick up some shit as i posted a perfectly good solution and it has been all but ignored.

Last edited by Hobo; 09-18-2005 at 01:07 AM..
  #66  
09-18-2005, 01:15 AM
Dino's Avatar
Dino
Outlaw Sniper
 
: Feb 2005
: AFX - I'm Momma Employed
: 1,544
Rep Power: 0
Dino  (10)

:
I just completely lost all respect for Dino. Is it even possible for you to have a civil arguement?
There's no such thing as a "civil argument". That would be like, a polite war, or non-physical punchup.

But whatever.

Hey! If it helps negotiations along any, I'm going to turn into a completely emotionless impenetrable (sorry leto) immortal automaton, whose entire repatoir of witty retorts consists of "Does not compute", "Your logic chip requires an upgrade" and "Your culture and technology will adapt to service ours - Resistance is futile.". Hopefully this will allow me to conduct this argument in a manner that doesn't involve conventional insults or taking things personally. That should boost my respect!

How does that sound? Feeling any of that respect flooding back yet? Is it getting hard?

No? Alrighty then. Exactly.

So shush.

Now, about this whole dealy; fairness, whatnot, blah, etc. Contrary to what Little Miss My-e-penis-is-larger-than-yours "thinks" (and I do use the word "thinks" lightly there, haw haw I'm so ebil) I don't believe we should go totally overboard with it, because then we'll just make everything all boring and things. But we should implement it gradually so that over time we get more of the lets-not-spam-so-much vibe. Because I dig that vibe, man, with spades and things.

Ah, that was fun. But I really don't care anymore now so, bye.

But before I go, I leave you with a few wise words, first spoken sagely by that king of kings, the Jolly Green Jesus; Ho-Ho-Ho. Christmas. Etc.

(close it, please, I should never have posted this in the first place and just let the whole thing blow over - my apologies to Amber who is absolutely right and got the better of my stupid self, sorry for being a bitch and I hope that later we can sit on a fence in the countryside with the sunwarmed wind in our hair, looking back at these old posts in laughter and farting - and my apologies to Cheese for picking on his sexy little ass, when we should've been going for long walks on the beach while holding hands, merrily skipping through that which doth yonder wabe and schtuff.)
  #67  
09-18-2005, 01:57 AM
Alcar's Avatar
Alcar
Oddworld Forums Owner
Magical Happy Dream Queen
 
: Nov 2001
: Sydney, AU
: 6,698
Blog Entries: 14
Rep Power: 29
Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)

I'm rolling my eyes, really I am. Anyway, I'm going to be fairly brief here.

Ambi deserves everything she has. I could go on about how she contributes, and shares her opinion, and is kind, etc, etc. But everyone knows that. That's the problem. A lot of you are jealous.

As for Hobo, yes, it's quite obvious that we are friendly. I make no apologies for having a tendancy to promote people I am more friendly with. Not only does it allow me to get to know the person better, and therefore judge character, but by being friendly, it assures me to some extent that they are not going to turn around and backstab me.

That said, there are Moderators who I do not talk with at all, or rarely. Those being Xavier, AlphaScrab, T-nex, SeaRex, Al the Vykker. Yet, I still support them. I've helped Xavier with his hosting for TOA, and TOGG. I've set up forums for T-nex. I've given SeaRex a lot of power and responsibility. I believe I've met a balance.

I make no apologies.

Alcar...
__________________
General OWF Information
Forum Rules § Titles, Ranks & Reputation
Signature / Avatar Requests § Forum Suggestions & Help
Oddworld Forums Blog


Upcoming Forum Events
11th Anniversary of Abe's Exoddus (September) § 9th Anniversary of the Oddworld Forums (May 2009)
Release of Citizen Siege (2020) § Double Back Ceremony (Daily)


“Also, we don't need no Jacob to gay this place up. We have officially won the award for the forum with a highest proportion of gay members whilst not being themed about poojabbing, cowboys or Kylie.” - Nate

  #68  
09-18-2005, 02:14 AM
T-nex's Avatar
T-nex
Frosties and Buttsex
 
: Aug 2003
: Denmark
: 4,811
Blog Entries: 80
Rep Power: 27
T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)T-nex  (3441)

Bah, this is just exagerated now... I think Hobo's suggestion is the best one so far, and should be used.
Amber never did anything wrong, or spammed or anything, so she desrves what she has.
I just don't like when highly respected members go all hostile on others. Like Mods usually have this bad-ass attitude, which i really hate, so I'd rather not discuss with them or anything...

Anyways, Why not just close this thread. it could be so easy. There hasn't ever been a golden age, and it will never be golden. But at least we can improve it.
Bah, i don't know what to say, i just think it's become rediculous ...
__________________
Wil siger (17:13):
Hey, I have massive nuts. :@

============


  #69  
09-18-2005, 02:22 AM
Rich's Avatar
Rich
Can't Be Arsed
 
: Apr 2001
: Wolves, UK
: 2,429
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 25
Rich  (138)Rich  (138)

I also think Hobo's suggestion is good. But otherwise this thread is kinda stupid.
__________________
:
What the Fuck is this???Hobo, you make a Shit outta my posts

  #70  
09-18-2005, 02:25 AM
Hobo's Avatar
Hobo
Honorary Smod
Chronically Awesome
 
: Feb 2003
: London
: 6,741
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 29
Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)Hobo  (3434)

All this thread are belong to closed.

EDIT - Temp. Reopened

Last edited by Hobo; 09-18-2005 at 05:39 AM..
  #71  
09-18-2005, 10:22 AM
Munch's Master's Avatar
Munch's Master
Outlaw Mortar
 
: Mar 2005
: England
: 1,815
Blog Entries: 20
Rep Power: 22
Munch's Master  (745)Munch's Master  (745)Munch's Master  (745)Munch's Master  (745)Munch's Master  (745)Munch's Master  (745)Munch's Master  (745)

I'll just say these few things:
First off, I think that Hobo's idea is a good one. While I don't like some of the things he says, his idea is definitely the most constructive suggestion we've had yet.
Second, I thought the way everyone (well, everyone who was nasty) spoke to Angel-Fox in her leaving thread was disgraceful. She was just saying she had to leave, and everyone yelled at her and insulted her. If someone new joins or someone leaves, then the members should show civilness and respect that member, and respect their decision.
Finally, Dino, I like you to a degree, and I respect you,and I think that you have made some good points in this topic, but you seem to have gone in a complete U-Turn from how you started. You insulted Ambi unneccessarily, and made some unkind comments. You could have simply stated your opinion and disagreed with hers in a more respectful manner. I'm not saying I agree with her, just that you could have been kinder. I'm not singling you out, as I say that same goes with everyone else who resorted to flaming to argue their point. Cyber-Slig had it right, keep this arguement civil, be accepting and respectful, even if you disagree with someone else.
__________________


Fuzzle Guy: Apart from going swimming I've never been more wet in my life than when I went to see Take That.

  #72  
09-18-2005, 10:40 AM
MojoMan220's Avatar
MojoMan220
Outlaw Mortar
 
: Jan 2002
: Jesusland
: 1,770
Rep Power: 25
MojoMan220  (235)MojoMan220  (235)MojoMan220  (235)

...Yikes.

I had no idea there was so much tension on these forums. One of the issues is that people take this forum way too seriously. There is no massive conspiracy among the moderators or any special treatment, case closed. There's nothing special about a member being treated with respect, for good behavior. A member will be treated the same way they treat others. Sometimes new members will get away with spam when older members won't, but that's because newbs don't know any better. That being said, the moderators are in no way perfect, they are human like everybody else. Every now and then they might step over the line, or fart at inappropriate moments, but I'm sure running a forum is a stressful endeavor.

Dino is a great member, he's very intellegent, but he can be also very arrogant. (NERD-ALERT) He reminds me of Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars. He doesn't feel that the elders respect him, and he wants a position of power and authority, but his core intentions are good. Okay, it's a bit of a stretch to compare Dino to Darth Vader, but that's all that comes to mind as I write this. Dino just wants to be a well-known respected member of our community, and that ain't so bad. He brings some of the best discussions to the forums, so to lose his input would be a real drag. Unless anybody has solid evidence that he's created multiple accounts, attacking him because of a hunch is quite unfair. I understand where the guy's coming from, although I don't feel that the favoritism he metioned is at all intentional.

*Oh yes, and spectacular idea Hobo!

Last edited by MojoMan220; 09-18-2005 at 10:50 AM..
  #73  
09-18-2005, 10:44 AM
Kimon
Outlaw Mortar
 
: Jan 2005
: Brooklyn
: 1,937
Blog Entries: 20
Rep Power: 22
Kimon  (518)Kimon  (518)Kimon  (518)Kimon  (518)Kimon  (518)Kimon  (518)

:
She was just saying she had to leave, and everyone yelled at her and insulted her.
Actually, I think that was just me. And an apology was issued.

Anyway, I say three cheers for Hobo's suggestion.
__________________

  #74  
09-18-2005, 02:34 PM
Shrink's Avatar
Shrink
Formerly Esus
 
: Dec 2002
: x
: 286
Rep Power: 0
Shrink  (10)

:
In exchange we will expect a bit more of a formal atmosphere from you all, and all the *sleeps with Super Munch* or what have you will have to go.
Well, a formal atmosphere is a bit far, people can casually joke around friends!
I seem to be the only one who has a problem with the constant *sleeps with..* jokes, so maybe you shouldn't reinforce that idea around people who do enjoy it. They might... I dunno, create a friend complaining.

Ambi, you kind of missed my point(s), when you were directly referring to things I said. Nevermind.
  #75  
09-18-2005, 09:32 PM
Alcar's Avatar
Alcar
Oddworld Forums Owner
Magical Happy Dream Queen
 
: Nov 2001
: Sydney, AU
: 6,698
Blog Entries: 14
Rep Power: 29
Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)

So... what is everyone's problem now? Or have we all cooled off?

Alcar...
__________________
General OWF Information
Forum Rules § Titles, Ranks & Reputation
Signature / Avatar Requests § Forum Suggestions & Help
Oddworld Forums Blog


Upcoming Forum Events
11th Anniversary of Abe's Exoddus (September) § 9th Anniversary of the Oddworld Forums (May 2009)
Release of Citizen Siege (2020) § Double Back Ceremony (Daily)


“Also, we don't need no Jacob to gay this place up. We have officially won the award for the forum with a highest proportion of gay members whilst not being themed about poojabbing, cowboys or Kylie.” - Nate

  #76  
09-19-2005, 01:38 AM
Dino's Avatar
Dino
Outlaw Sniper
 
: Feb 2005
: AFX - I'm Momma Employed
: 1,544
Rep Power: 0
Dino  (10)

:
Finally, Dino, I like you to a degree, and I respect you,and I think that you have made some good points in this topic, but you seem to have gone in a complete U-Turn from how you started. You insulted Ambi unneccessarily, and made some unkind comments. You could have simply stated your opinion and disagreed with hers in a more respectful manner. I'm not saying I agree with her, just that you could have been kinder.
Yep, I absolutely agree. I should've kept it civil but really that isn't so easy when everyone is really ragging on you.

And jesus Mojo don't call me a nerd.

Listen, I don't want to be a respected member like it's some kind of life goal of mine. It'd be nice cause I'd get along with everyone easier if I was, but all I'm asking here is that we just respect each other instead of having warring sides across the forums and these internal feudes and such. It's rediculous, we're getting along like one big dysfunctional family. I'm sure we're all more mature than that. We shouldn't be spiting each other - we should be making love in Used's big ebony bed.

And RIGHT yes I should've said this in a better way, people make mistakes. I understand that already. Sorry for what I said, I can be a prick at times but so can everyone. I'm just trying (and going about it the wrong way) to get everyone in a position where they'll just have to learn to get along rather than fight/spite/mock/hate all the time.
  #77  
09-19-2005, 02:03 AM
MojoMan220's Avatar
MojoMan220
Outlaw Mortar
 
: Jan 2002
: Jesusland
: 1,770
Rep Power: 25
MojoMan220  (235)MojoMan220  (235)MojoMan220  (235)

:
And jesus Mojo don't call me a nerd.
Don't worry, I'm not that mean, I was calling myself a nerd for figuring out how to compare the situation to Star Wars.
  #78  
09-19-2005, 03:29 AM
AquaticAmbi's Avatar
AquaticAmbi
Fish out of Water
 
: Sep 2004
: Florida
: 1,178
Rep Power: 21
AquaticAmbi  (10)

Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us. God help us if it's fallen for a third time...

...

Anyway, I'm done here. I've taken everything I need to say to anyone through PMs, so I'm fine with someone closes it if everyone else is.

Pointless arguments ftw.
__________________
Only a fool in here would think he's got anything to prove

  #79  
09-19-2005, 03:46 AM
Alcar's Avatar
Alcar
Oddworld Forums Owner
Magical Happy Dream Queen
 
: Nov 2001
: Sydney, AU
: 6,698
Blog Entries: 14
Rep Power: 29
Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)Alcar  (1705)

Since I hold Ambi in such high regards, and therefore would do anything for her, because, you know, I like her a lot more than the rest of you, I'm going to close this for her




That was a joke aimed at you jealous folk, by the way.

Alcar...
__________________
General OWF Information
Forum Rules § Titles, Ranks & Reputation
Signature / Avatar Requests § Forum Suggestions & Help
Oddworld Forums Blog


Upcoming Forum Events
11th Anniversary of Abe's Exoddus (September) § 9th Anniversary of the Oddworld Forums (May 2009)
Release of Citizen Siege (2020) § Double Back Ceremony (Daily)


“Also, we don't need no Jacob to gay this place up. We have officially won the award for the forum with a highest proportion of gay members whilst not being themed about poojabbing, cowboys or Kylie.” - Nate



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 








 
 
- Oddworld Forums - -