Bisexuality

[Jacob]

'The article clearly states that these scientists are finding it hard to believe that anyone at all is bisexual.'

I find it hard to believe we landed on the Moon. But i'm not saying we did or we didn't. I'm merely in doubt.

'Why else would I be bisexual?'

Have you never considered enviromental factors? I personally don't believe enviromental factors can make you a sexuality, i do think they can make you more liberal though. Playing Devil's ad you could say you're in the Homo/Hetero closet.

'What if I told you that I don't think homosexuality exists? Would you just accept that and happily sit there agreeing, carefully analysing my point of view, in a friendly and impartial manner?'

I'd listen to your reasoning, like i do with all my Homophobic friends (not that you'd be homophobic if you said that, i'm just saying that as an example that i wouldn't just get stressy).

'Seriously I'd rather have a chav shit on my face than have to live around biphobics and all the stupid crap they come out with. they're so shockingly ignorant.'

When people say idiotic things like this, it annoys me so much! I'm against racism, and i'd happily rip into anybody who said anything vilely racist, does this mean that i'd get banned because i don't particularly like their actions/verbal onslaughts? No. Nobody would bat an eyelid. However, somebody displays a bit of open-mindedness to the other sides point of view and all of a sudden people are jumping on them and bashing them. What's the point? It reeks of 'Do as i say, not as i do'.

[Cyber-Slig]

the people could've been influenced by Satan! Hell, Big Red could've influenced the animals to have sex with the same sex as them (i love you Cyber-Slig)!!!

By the way Jacob, why do seem to label me as some Religous Zealot in every damn thread? I don't even beleive in religion.....

[Dino]

Jacob, I am bisexual.

Why do I exist? Please could you answer for my existance? Am I a freak? Insane? What? How come I've met so many other genuine bisexuals? Why would someone like me be in the "closet" when I've already proven that I'm not scared about "coming out"?

[Jacob]

'By the way Jacob, why do seem to label me as some Religous Zealot in every damn thread? I don't even beleive in religion.....'

Oh. Well, i thought it was you who mentioned about the Gay animals being told to be Gay by Lucifer...obviously not.

Poo.

'Why do I exist? Please could you answer for my existance? Am I a freak? Insane? What? How come I've met so many other genuine bisexuals? Why would someone like me be in the "closet" when I've already proven that I'm not scared about "coming out"?'

Excuse me whilst i get my personal Sexuality Researcher from out of my closet. I'll need to dust him off a bit first, so sit down and be patient.

[Dino]

Excuse me whilst i get my personal Sexuality Researcher from out of my closet. I'll need to dust him off a bit first, so sit down and be patient.

Wow. I thought you might come out with something crap but I never realised you'd go so far as to completely evade the entire post.

I think you may've just set a whole new precedent.

[Jacob]

My point was, Mister Man, that i'm not qualified. I'm sure the men in the study were all "Oh hey, look at me! I'm Bisexual!! Whooo!!" and it turns out, they weren't. I'm sure there're Heterosexuals and Homosexuals who're in the same position.

[CheeseOfGlory]

This has nothing to do with anything, but I'm stuck in this piece of crap summer camp for 2 weeks with nothing to do so I'm going to complain for the next few lines before getting to the point. Huzzah! Uhh... the people are boring (or I'm so boring no one wants to betray any sort of excitement or interest around me lest someone explode) and there is nothing to do, although we are right across from NYC we can't go there.


Anyway I find it hard to believe that these scientists would do an experiment like this just to bash bisexuals. You can't really prove something just because you've supposedly seen, been, or felt it. People convince themselves of crazy stuff all the time, (IE that they are napoleon). So until this study is somehow refuted, it is at least logical to doubt the existence of bisexuality.

But before anyone decides I'm a homophobic walrus, I don't think I have anything against gays or bisexuals (Amber can confirm!). I'm all for gay marriage and all that good stuff, so whether someone wants to act bisexual or not is their own buisness. This debate is purely about the existence of bisexuality rather than its moral implications.

[Dino]

Anyway I find it hard to believe that these scientists would do an experiment like this just to bash bisexuals.

You'd be SUPRISED what hateful humans will do.

Trust me, I'm either one in a million, the only true bisexual on earth, or this "scientific" reasearch is a load of bull. I personally think that it is most likely the latter. For a start, they cannot claim that they had 101 bisexual people in their study, they only had 33, which is nowhere near enough to make any kind of accurate conclusion that would apply to the supposed 2 billion bisexual people on earth. Another point is that all their "findings" match up with common biphobic accusations, which I believe is more than a mere coincidence.

But above all, these scientists have no way to prove that they didn't just fabricate their results. If you believe these people then you're putting absolute faith in them, quite unjustly. These results could easily (and quite likely) be falsified, because anyone could claim that they've done research and then claim that it shows X, Y, or Z. Until someone does another study involving MORE test subjects, and has their results validated by an independant body, I won't even begin to consider the possibility that I'm just confused.

Another thing that I should point out is that I quite regularly go through preference swings, in which I'm more or less sexually interested in one gender or the other. Then I have true bisexual transition periods between these swings, in which I'm equally interested in both. But at all times I am capable of being aroused by either.

[Havoc]

I dunno if I should mix myself into this or not... but heck I'm here now anyway :P.

What has got me puzzled is how a group is apparent straight scientists are claiming something doesn't exists simply becouse they don't know anything about or havn't ever seen it (excuse me if this is contradicting any previous posts, I didn't bother to read everything, merely skimmed a bit). It's like saying: I wasn't there so therefor it can not have happend.

Researching one's sexual prefrence is the most stupid thing to be done, especialy if its done in America, since we all know how most Americans think about gays and bi's.
If a person feels he is attracted to both males and females, then who are you (pointed at the scientists) and your straight butt to argue with him/her? I think the person himself knows best, wouldn't you agree?

Saying you're bi just to get attention from the muffies (to speak in Jacobs terms) is something way diffrent then actualy being bi. Becouse the first person would simply be lying.

Seriously, I don't think anyone has the right to 'doubt' anyone's sexual prefrence, unless it's pedophilia, but thats more of a decease then a prefrence I guess <.<.
Anyhoo, this isn't supposed to be able to happen:

Bi-person: Hi! I'm Bi!

Random person: Eh... no you're not.

Basicly, the random person is claiming the know more about the Bi-person then the bi knows himself... and to give an even easier to understand example, put yourself in this position:

What if you're just minding your own bussiness and suddenly some prick comes along telling you your not straight. You know better, but this person keeps telling you: You are NOT straight, becouse there is no such thing as straight!

I rest my case... for now.

[Jacob]

I don't really see it as a case of wanting to disprove something, more along the lines of wanting to understand something. I, for one, am quite happy that Scientists did the research into Homosexuality, proving that it wasn't a choice but a natural occurance.

If the same is to be said about Bisexuality, it'll come out soon enough.

[used:)]

You'd be SUPRISED what hateful humans will do.

Trust me, I'm either one in a million, the only true bisexual on earth, or this "scientific" reasearch is a load of bull. I personally think that it is most likely the latter. For a start, they cannot claim that they had 101 bisexual people in their study, they only had 33, which is nowhere near enough to make any kind of accurate conclusion that would apply to the supposed 2 billion bisexual people on earth. Another point is that all their "findings" match up with common biphobic accusations, which I believe is more than a mere coincidence.

But above all, these scientists have no way to prove that they didn't just fabricate their results. If you believe these people then you're putting absolute faith in them, quite unjustly. These results could easily (and quite likely) be falsified, because anyone could claim that they've done research and then claim that it shows X, Y, or Z. Until someone does another study involving MORE test subjects, and has their results validated by an independant body, I won't even begin to consider the possibility that I'm just confused.

Another thing that I should point out is that I quite regularly go through preference swings, in which I'm more or less sexually interested in one gender or the other. Then I have true bisexual transition periods between these swings, in which I'm equally interested in both. But at all times I am capable of being aroused by either.

Bisexuality may be related to Synthestesia (I think thats what it's called :P), a strange condition where one's senses sort of get mixed up with one another, for example: if you hand Synthestesia and you heard the word "cat," you may get the taste of peanut butter by hearing that particular word. Synthestesiacs are very rare. Between one and a thousand, only one of those people may be a synthestesiac. With the same case as Bisexuals, they too may be very rare. All done .

[Havoc]

So you're basicly suggesting bisexuals all have some sort of decease... or am I missing your point... :/

[Dino]

Bisexuality may be related to Synthestesia (I think thats what it's called :P), a strange condition where one's senses sort of get mixed up with one another, for example: if you hand Synthestesia and you heard the word "cat," you may get the taste of peanut butter by hearing that particular word. Synthestesiacs are very rare. Between one and a thousand, only one of those people may be a synthestesiac. With the same case as Bisexuals, they too may be very rare. All done .

I know what Synthesesia is, I'm an Aphex Twin fan, and Aphex Twin is probably the most famous sufferer of it.

I can tell you now that it is not synthesesia, because if it was then it wouldn't be a rare disorder now would it? Millions of people would report themselves as having it, because there are millions of known bisexual people. Aside from that, it's not a form of it either. Bisexuality is supposedly a malfunction of the brain, just like homosexuality and asexuality, but to be honest I don't want to be fixed, cause I like being like this. I think we should start accepting people into society rather than distancing them from it.

The fact is that I know that this research is bullshit, because I am bisexual and I know I exist. So no matter what they say, I will always know what I am.

[used:)]

No! You are a random bot out of the blue opf cyber space claiming you are bi! Ha ha!

Sorry...

I wouldn't consider Synthestesia to be something people with it suffer from. I really don't know because I'm not one. Considering what you said Dino, and taking into consideration of what Jacob has stated, I came to a conclusion that it MAY be related to Synthestesia. Even though I think Jacob is a complete nut job, he still proves a somewhat convining point. I just thought Synthestesia could be related to Bisexulaity becuase I know a bi person. Still, they may just be Homo using bi as a cover up, but knowing his personality, I wouldn't think so.

[Jacob]

'Even though I think Jacob is a complete nut job'

I'll bare that in mind when i build the concentration camps.

[used:)]

'Even though I think Jacob is a complete nut job'

I'll bare that in mind when i build the concentration camps.

Ye will never catch ME! Hahahahaha! Up your's you Nazi asshole!

Sorry....

[Dino]

Synthesesia is a confusion of the senses, not of the emotions or sexual attraction. You could accuse anyone who is confused of having synthesesia if you applied your logic to it, but that doesn't make it any more correct.

I see your point, that it may be similar to synthesesia, in that the brain is confused about what it likes, but I'd like to point out that I certainly am not confused. My brain was hardwired to be attracted to both sexes right from the start, and it has never changed since. I've tried lying to myself about being heterosexual, I've asked myself if I'm gay (being horrified at the possibility because of the rejection that would cause, and being confused because I also like girls), and I never really knew about bisexuality until quite a few years later. Once I found out it struck a chord immediately, and with a little convincing from a friend I admitted to people and then later came out completely.

[used:)]

Well, I was just applying Synthestesia with Bisexuality because of it's rarity I've heard stated in this thread. Our brains get confused all the time. One time, (this will be embarassing) I once started getting horrible pains in my nipples. I went to see the doctor, and he told me that there was a small imbalance between Estigene and Testoserone and thus the Estigene was making my body create breats. Don't snicker, because it ****ing hurt like hell.

[Jacob]

'My brain was hardwired to be attracted to both sexes right from the start, and it has never changed since.'

I'll assume you have a Phd in Medical Sciences then, yes? You've already stated you go through prefarence swings when it comes to the sexes, surely that could be said that your Brain is going "Ummm...err...phallus...'gina?...Errr....Phallus!? Errr?!?! 'gina!?!?" and frying itself. So, surely if that's the case, Used has a point. One that will be broken like the end of a Pencil come the Age of Jacobian Law.

[Dino]

My preference swings come in between really long transition periods of pure 50-50 bisexuality. Even during a preference swing I'm still attracted both sexes. They seem to largely occur as a result of my moods and emotions at that time, or sometimes when I'm put off by one sex or another for whatever reasons. It's a strange thing that doesn't really make sense or seem to have any connection with confusion over which sex I prefer.

It's not just my sexuality though, I go through preference swings for almost every single part of me. Musical tastes, hobbies, food, drink, activities, interests, people, etc. I'm quite a changeable person. My sexuality has remained exactly the same right since the start, and so has all my other tastes/interests, they just ebb and flow in and out of the limelight. Perhaps there are other forces at work here? Maybe the cycles of the moon? Who knows.

[CheeseOfGlory]

Well now that you say that you have "preference swings", it makes a lot more sense how this study might be... missing something.

I suppose the best thing would be to test a large group of "bisexuals" multiple times to see if their preferences change. Until then, tacos!

[AquaticAmbi]

Please don't take offense to this, Dino, but from the way you talked in the masturbation thread about how you just go find someone to screw whenever you're horny instead of masturbating, you sound like you may just be, well, doing exactly that--not caring who it is or what sex someone is just so you can relieve your physical desires. Not exactly the same thing as being bisexual, as Jacob pointed out somewhere.

But you say you're emotionally attracted to both sexes, so I guess that could be enough to clear that up.

[CheeseOfGlory]

oh snap, Amber just threw down the gauntlet of debate, you two must now fight to the death

[TheRaisin]

Nooo! Don't incite junk, not even humorously! The road to Hell is paved with humorous suggestions of debate. Or summat.

Anyway, she conceded in the last sentence. Conceded? That's a horrible word for it. Argh. Can't think good.

I did think about that whole preference swing thing in relation to this study, but the site claims that "three quarters of the bisexual men had arousal patterns identical to those of gay men; the rest were indistinguishable from heterosexuals." For one thing, statistically, if their preferences vary equally between men and women, shouldn't half of them have been attracted to men, and the other half to women? Or perhaps there would be a portion attracted equally to both? Of course, there are all kinds of things that could skew that. Meh. I'm just throwing stuff out here.

When did I become the Devil's advocate?

Great avatar, Amber. You and your dolphins.

[CheeseOfGlory]

I was thinking the same thing about the 50/50 split, but until we do more trials there's no way to know whether it was a statistical anomaly or not.


short posts ftw

[Dino]

Please don't take offense to this, Dino, but from the way you talked in the masturbation thread about how you just go find someone to screw whenever you're horny instead of masturbating, you sound like you may just be, well, doing exactly that--not caring who it is or what sex someone is just so you can relieve your physical desires. Not exactly the same thing as being bisexual, as Jacob pointed out somewhere.

But you say you're emotionally attracted to both sexes, so I guess that could be enough to clear that up.

Heh, perhaps it's cause I ommitted this little fact; I didn't just go screw any old person, I screwed my boyfriend/girlfriend. I'm unconventional like that. During periods of singleness, hornyness is something that I just let pass, it annoys me but it encourages me to get out there and meet people.

[AquaticAmbi]

Ah. Well, just to show what gave me that impression:

and me being a bit strange for just bonking whoever I'm attracted to whenever I get horny

"Whoever" just doesn't sound like something one would call a girlfriend or boyfriend that you care about.[/hijacking thread (for now at least)]

[Dino]

Well, whoever I'm attracted to at the time is the person I'm in a relationship with, unless I've found someone else. There wouldn't be much point in me being in a relationship with them otherwise would there?

[Jacob]

I'd agree with Amber with the misinterpretation thing.

I've been thinking about the study and about a few instances i've heard about where a Fruit gets married, has kids, but is still a Fruit. He instead titles himself 'Bisexual', even though if he and his wife ever split, he'd never go with another woman.

This, is called, 'Kidding yourself'. Though, i still might try it, if not to have offspring, heh.

[soulstice]

One of my best friends is bisexual and from what she's said, I think that most bisexuals are misunderstood. From what I've heard from other bisexual friends, there definitely is a genuine attraction to both females and males. It's pretty much borderline homosexuality/heterosexuality, not a greedyness for sex.