Oddworld Questions & Answers VI

[abe is now!]

Aha! Thank you, abe is now. Now I understand. No one outside of OWI knew before now that a level set in Scrabania was at any point in the game’s production destined to appear in Abe’s Exoddus, so we had all assumed that these production paintings depict the vaults below Necrum—​particularly as they’re found in the Mudomo Vault and Mudanchee Vault pages on Oddworld.com.

Thank you, Max. So you didn't know this. But why OWI didn't add Scrabania in AE at the end? What was the problem, if know?

[Wil]

So you didn't know this. But why OWI didn't add Scrabania in AE at the end? What was the problem, if know?

If we didn’t know a return to Scrabania was considered for the game, how can you possibly expect us to know why it was decided against? We could come up with wild explanations, like maybe it was thought better to take Abe to completely new environments and explore more of Oddworld, so Scrabania was replaced with the Mudanchee Vault.

[Slaveless]

It could have been possible that the desert Abe was suppose to cross through to get to Necrum was suppose to be Scrabania. But maybe the idea of the Mudokons sticking with Abe would make game conflict, and it was opposed against.

A very wild and full-of-holes explanation, but still...

[mudling]

Hmm, this is quite interesting.
As Max said, we can't realy answer, but I wonder if paramonia was meant to be included aswell, since the two places were kind of linked.
I like your dessert idea Slaveless, would of brought quite a bit of famililiraty if included, owell.
But maybe the reason is the link in production in AO and AE (As was needed to be done for the release date of AE a year later), and maybe the levels originally designed for AE were able to make it into AO.

[Slaveless]

But maybe the reason is the link in production in AO and AE (As was needed to be done for the release date of AE a year later), and maybe the levels originally designed for AE were able to make it into AO

As possible as this might be, I have some doubts. The Scrabanian conception art was made in 1995, while the picture you have shown us was made in 1997. There was quite the conception difference right there.

As Max said, we can't realy answer, but I wonder if paramonia was meant to be included aswell, since the two places were kind of linked.

This may also may very well be possible. But just because there was a link in AO, doesn't mean Paramonia was planned too, to be in the game. In fact, I think Paramonia was suppose to be in MO, but Scrabania was (as far as I know) not.

[abe is now!]

I think OWI made a good thing deleting Scrabania and Paramonia from AE. The Mudomo and Mudanchee Vaults are aggregate well to the context: the Mudomo Vault are obscure and always in the darkness, symbol of the Mudomo Mudokons who lived in the ancient forests of Oddworld; the Mudanchee Vault are more lit, because the Mudanchee were strong warriors and they weren't (I think) solitary and paceful like the Mudomo, so they lived in big environments; and the light of sun that enters from the fissures on the walls and light the place is important: the sun is always symbol of power and splendor of a people, a great people that was the Mudanchee people. And the Paramites look like big spiders that lived in the darkness and wait the prey for kill it lurking. And Scrabs are powerful and fast creatures that need big territories for run. And in general, OWI have chosen very well. In fact the native places of AE are my favourites (including Necrum Mines). I donit think Paramonia and Scrabania cud create the the right circumstances that the Necrum Vaults created. This is what I think. And excuse me for the lenght, but I think this can help or clarify some problems and uncertainties!

[IAmHeavy]

few questions!

[AO Questions]
1. I had abe's oddysee when i was young. although, for some reason, i dunno where it is.
anyways, this question is, i see that there is a cheat to make the farts green.
If possible, can someone post me a screenshot of a green fart that is in AO? NO EDITS OK? because those are LIES
2. What did Meeches look like? i know how they look like, but i do want to see how they look like in color. D:
3. does slogs have eyes?

[AE Questions]
1. I did a cheat code called "Instant voice puzzle solution", did it a few times, but when i came into a puzzle, i tried to say Hi, nothing works. but then after the puzzle tells you what to say, i say something random. it doesnt work. how does the cheat work?

2. If a person used a DDCheat, would the person able to kill ALL, and i mean ALL, as in 300 mudokons?

3. In a demo, after i killed like 33 mudokons, all the possible mudokons, why does it say 251 in the "Employees This Tunnel"? answer this only if you had checked out my post in the glitches thread (page 8).

[All-Oddworlded Questions]
1. What does shmuck mean?
2. How come sloggies have the same power as big slogs? I notice this as a single sloggie alone can kill Abe. o_O
3. I always cannot see closely how the shrykul looked like. To answer this, bring a screenshot of that beast.

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meaning 9 questions now

[Jordan]

few questions!

[AO Questions]
1. I had abe's oddysee when i was young. although, for some reason, i dunno where it is.
anyways, this question is, i see that there is a cheat to make the farts green.
If possible, can someone post me a screenshot of a green fart that is in AO? NO EDITS OK? because those are LIES
2. What did Meeches look like? i know how they look like, but i do want to see how they look like in color. D:
3. does slogs have eyes?

[AE Questions]
1. I did a cheat code called "Instant voice puzzle solution", did it a few times, but when i came into a puzzle, i tried to say Hi, nothing works. but then after the puzzle tells you what to say, i say something random. it doesnt work. how does the cheat work?

2. If a person used a DDCheat, would the person able to kill ALL, and i mean ALL, as in 300 mudokons?

3. In a demo, after i killed like 33 mudokons, all the possible mudokons, why does it say 251 in the "Employees This Tunnel"? answer this only if you had checked out my post in the glitches thread (page 8).

[All-Oddworlded Questions]
1. What does shmuck mean?
2. How come sloggies have the same power as big slogs? I notice this as a single sloggie alone can kill Abe. o_O
3. I always cannot see closely how the shrykul looked like. To answer this, bring a screenshot of that beast.

3 questions added
meaning 9 questions now

2. You can see conception images on the Oddworld Library. That's what it's there for.

3. No.

4. It's supposed to automatically finish a Glukkon or a Slig voice puzzle for you.

5. No, it would still be impossible seeing as you cannot move Mudokons.

6. It's just some form of swear word. I don't quit know what it means.

7. It's just part of gameplay. There'd be no point in having a Sloggie there if it can't do anything to you.

[Zerox]

Meeches were/are brown with red stripes, verified by OWI.

DDcheat to kill all Mudokons? Maybe, since you ca go past doors, don't need to save Muds to open them, so you just slap those guys to death. Otherwise unreachable ones can also be slapped.

As well as that, you could use it to repeat the President Aslik section. Each time you do it, ten Mudokons spawn, and you keep killing/saving them, whatever is convenient.

[Jordan]

I forgot you could slap kill them. Yes, it probably would be possible to kill them all or nearly all.

[abe is now!]

I have another question: is the face in the Shrink's monitor the face of Sam? I'm not sure because I read in somewhere that the Shrink is used only for maintain the contacts with Sam and , and so I was going to think the Face isn't Sam but another Mudokon who had to talk with her. So, who is that Mudokon?

[Wil]

2. What did Meeches look like? i know how they look like, but i do want to see how they look like in color. D:

Indeed, we know what colour Meeches were going to be, thanks to Zerox and Matt Lee. Check out Zerox’s thread, where SligStorm even conjured up a nice coloured Meech image.

3. does slogs have eyes?

No, they does not.

2. If a person used a DDCheat, would the person able to kill ALL, and i mean ALL, as in 300 mudokons?

No, there are still Mudokons you need to rescue to open doors to the next area. There are only two that spring to mind, though, and you can definitely kill a whole load more Muds that without the noclip cheat. I do have guides to the Mudokons in AO and AE kicking about somewhere that show exactly which you can kill with and without noclip mode, but I’m still working to recreate everything I lost from TOL’s development before I could put them on TOE.

3. In a demo, after i killed like 33 mudokons, all the possible mudokons, why does it say 251 in the "Employees This Tunnel"? answer this only if you had checked out my post in the glitches thread (page 8).

It’s just a glitch in the way the demo works out the numbers for those status boards. You’d have to get some technical wiz like Paul to figure out exactly the process behind it, and I should think he has better things to do for the time being.

1. What does shmuck mean?

It’s a Yiddish word used as an insult in American English. Lorne used to work in the South Bronx, which apparently used to be known as the ‘Jewish Borough’ on account of its population reaching 50% Jewish at some point. It’s likely it still had a lot of Yiddish expressions in its dialect when Lorne was growing up there, hence his fondness for the term. This is all utterly speculative.

Other than that, I suggest that if you have any further queries about words, you first refer to a dictionary, that being what they exist for.

2. How come sloggies have the same power as big slogs? I notice this as a single sloggie alone can kill Abe. o_O

This has already been asked, although it didn’t get any response. I don’t know why Sloggies were introduced. They don’t really add much to gameplay other than being slower and easier to jump over than adult Slogs.

I have another question: is the face in the Shrink's monitor the face of Sam? I'm not sure because I read in somewhere that the Shrink is used only for maintain the contacts with Sam and , and so I was going to think the Face isn't Sam but another Mudokon who had to talk with her. So, who is that Mudokon?

I think it’s just a Mudokon face, because I don’t think Sam had actually been designed when they made that ad. The Shrink is a general‐purpose psychiatrist/psychologist made to motivate workers into actually working and conduct high‐level diplomacy, and they don’t look after Sam exclusively. There’s at least one installed in RuptureFarms.

[IAmHeavy]

why didnt i see some of my questions answered? also, CANNOT KILL ALL 300 EVEN WITH DDCHEAT!? what are they, like mudokons that are immuned to getting killed from ddcheat? o_O

[abe is now!]

why didnt i see some of my questions answered? also, CANNOT KILL ALL 300 EVEN WITH DDCHEAT!? what are they, like mudokons that are immuned to getting killed from ddcheat? o_O

Perhaps because not everybody know the asnwer... but I think it's possible, with the DDcheat you can do all you wish.

In this image there are a lot of Shrinks and I think this is the only one with Sam. But what is the face of Sam? Does she look like a normal Mudokon or is she different? And why didn't she appear in MO? And another question: what are the Sam's Labor Eggs and why they aren't much mentioned in MO? Again, why did the Shrink talk to Abe in the Guardian Angel movie and what did it say to him? I dodn't know much about Sam and the Shrink, but I love them.... please help me!
http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...=CAMO0058.jpg2

[Jordan]

why didnt i see some of my questions answered? also, CANNOT KILL ALL 300 EVEN WITH DDCHEAT!? what are they, like mudokons that are immuned to getting killed from ddcheat? o_O

No one has to answer your questions. Not everyone knows the answers.

In this image there are a lot of Shrinks and I think this is the only one with Sam. But what is the face of Sam? Does she look like a normal Mudokon or is she different? And why didn't she appear in MO? And another question: what are the Sam's Labor Eggs and why they aren't much mentioned in MO? Again, why did the Shrink talk to Abe in the Guardian Angel movie and what did he say to him? I dodn't know much about Sam and the Shrink, but I love them.... please help me!
http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...=CAMO0058.jpg2

If you look closely, you can just make out her face. It's very similar to Abe's and his brothers. She was cut from MO for some reason. They couldn't make it as long as they could, so they had to keep just the important pieces in. Sam's Labour Eggs are mentioned in MO. In fact, you need to use them in order to complete a level.
The Guardian Angel movie wasn't anything to do with the storyline of AO, it was just a commercial.

[Nate]

2. How come sloggies have the same power as big slogs? I notice this as a single sloggie alone can kill Abe. o_O

If you look at it another way, sloggies are powerful enough to kill Abe, so big slogs would have more than enough power. I personally liked Sloggies; they provided some variety in the enemies, particularly in the levels where there were both Slogs and Sloggies.

It’s a Yiddish word used as an insult in American English. Lorne used to work in the South Bronx, which apparently used to be known as the ‘Jewish Borough’ on account of its population reaching 50% Jewish at some point. It’s likely it still had a lot of Yiddish expressions in its dialect when Lorne was growing up there, hence his fondness for the term. This is all utterly speculative.

It's entered American parlance enough that you don't need to have lived in the Bronx to know what the word means.

EDIT: I always thought that schmuck literally meant penis but Wikipedia is telling me that it actually comes from the Yiddish word for foreskin. Woot for research!

[Bullet Magnet]

It's also a German surname... that has interesting implications.

[IAmHeavy]

seriously! read this question that is bolded!

why didnt i see some of my questions answered? also,CANNOT KILL ALL 300 EVEN WITH DDCHEAT!? what are they, like mudokons that are immuned to getting killed from ddcheat? o_O

[Wil]

AbeX300, I’ve told you before not to be so damned rude and impatient. Get this into your head: we are not your servants here to address your every ponderance, and we don’t take kindly to your being unforthcoming with gratitude for all the answers we give you. Equally, we are not blanking you. Every post that doesn’t answer your question is made by someone who either doesn’t know the answer themselves, or who, unlike you, has can see that the answer to your question has already been said.

To make it clear to you: Using noclip mode (the ability unlocked by using the ‘ddcheat’ or ‘it_is_me_your_father’ commands), it is possible to kill any given Mudokon slave in Abe’s Exoddus as well as one of the three helper Mudokons, but it is impossible to kill all 300 Mudokons in a singe game, because you need to rescue a couple in order to open doors and progress through the game.

[abe is now!]

Can anyone answer to my previous question, if ya can? And if you know the answer... Thank you !!!

[Slaveless]

To make it clear to you: Using noclip mode (the ability unlocked by using the ‘ddcheat’ or ‘it_is_me_your_father’ commands), it is possible to kill any given Mudokon slave in Abe’s Exoddus as well as one of the three helper Mudokons, but it is impossible to kill all 300 Mudokons in a singe game, because you need to rescue a couple in order to open doors and progress through the game.

Is that necessarily true? I know that in AO you can move to the right or left and enter one of the messages that you get if you get the bad or good ending. Is it possible to move into another screen where there is a wall and door to get into the other area?

[Wil]

Only in certain places. I don’t know how it’s done, but not all screens are linked, and even using noclip to fly through the whole game you will occasionally have to ‘land’ to go through doors. Trust me, I’ve checked every edge of every screen. Most story stone screens are isolated, and you can’t take Abe to them. I’m dreaming up an epic map of all the AO and AE screens. I’m not sure exactly how or where to do it, but it’ll be a challenge I enjoy.

[AlienMagi]

you will occasionally have to ‘land’ to go through doors.

You 're right but on some screens where the doors are, they lead you to the next screen , so if you use noclip you don't have to land to go trough, you just fly to the next screen got it? (This is just on SOME doors, you are actually right)

[Bullet Magnet]

Could you not kill them all and then Advance To Next Path?

[Jordan]

You 're right but on some screens where the doors are, they lead you to the next screen , so if you use noclip you don't have to land to go trough, you just fly to the next screen got it? (This is just on SOME doors, you are actually right)

Not all doors do this. Some could possibly take you to the other side of the map.

[Slaveless]

(This is just on SOME doors, you are actually right)

I do believe he already said that, Jordan....

Could you not kill them all and then Advance To Next Path?

Aren't there some paths where they have two exits? I guess that may be a problem... I don't really know.

[Wil]

You could use the Path Skip cheat. It would allow you kill every single Mudokon, but every time you use it the game changes the recorded number of escapees and casualties. I think the start of each path is programmed with set values for these. It depends on how you personally define killing a Mud. The way I see it, skipping paths resurrects Muds, which then don’t count as dead.

[abe is now!]

Question: I read in the unofficial FAQ of the Oddworldlibrary, that Abe is blue perhaps because he drank a Pramite juice. This is one of many suppositions. So, in oddworld.com there is an image of Abe who is drinking something with a straw. Is that the juice?
http://www.oddworld.com/firsttenyear.../abe_face.html

[AlienMagi]

What the hell is that???

[abe is now!]

What the hell is that???

It's an Abe's production design.