Screening Embryos for Genetic defects... -

Jacob · #31 08-15-2002, 08:21 PM

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Your blind, you can hear. Your deaf, you can see. There are ways.

And?

Im talking about people who are all of that. If somebody was born paralysed and unable to speak clearly its horrible for the parents to keep them alive. I personally dislike it when the child is like;

Child: "Eurrhgekfhk"

Parent: "Awwww, he just said he loved me..."

HOW DO YOU KNOW!? He could be pleading to die and your like "And i love you too..." if thats the case, put him/her out of his misery.

Salty, what i meant was that people like how i described have no dignity to begin with through no fault of their own...Its undignifying to actually go through things such as they do...And i feel sorry for them.

Gluk Schmuck · #32 08-15-2002, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
I wouldn't be able to cope if they were deaf or blind...i would be a shit dad to the disabled and the minority children...*Sigh*

You consider deafness a hard one? Sheesh!

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #33 08-15-2002, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob

And?

Im talking about people who are all of that. If somebody was born paralysed and unable to speak clearly its horrible for the parents to keep them alive. I personally dislike it when the child is like;

Child: "Eurrhgekfhk"

Parent: "Awwww, he just said he loved me..."

HOW DO YOU KNOW!? He could be pleading to die and your like "And i love you too..." if thats the case, put him/her out of his misery.

Salty, what i meant was that people like how i described have no dignity to begin with through no fault of their own...Its undignifying to actually go through things such as they do...And i feel sorry for them.

And?

I think you are talking about a kid who is mentally diabled. What about a child who is physically disabled? When if you have a disabled child Jacob? Don't jinx yourself.

Jacob · #34 08-15-2002, 08:33 PM

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I think you are talking about a kid who is mentally diabled. What about a child who is physically disabled? When if you have a disabled child Jacob? Don't jinx yourself.

What i described can be both mentally and physically disabled.

If i had a disabled child i would be heart-broken. But if my spouse wanted to keep it, i would except that i do what i could...touch wood i have 'normal' children...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #35 08-15-2002, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob

What i described can be both mentally and physically disabled.

If i had a disabled child i would be heart-broken. But if my spouse wanted to keep it, i would except that i do what i could...touch wood i have 'normal' children...

Wow, your going to be those hard pleased fathers who get upset when your child's team (who is 6), losses at a modified soccer game and your disappointed but guess what..It's only a game. You don't want a disabled child because you can't go shopping or drink a beer with? You can go shopping with a kid who is disabled. Besides Jacob, your still young, you may have your liscense, when if you get a car accident then you may be disabled or paralyzed? It has happened. That would put you in a disabled person's shoes. Would your views change then?

Jacob · #36 08-15-2002, 08:53 PM

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(1)Wow, your going to be those hard pleased fathers who get upset when your child's team (who is 6), losses at a modified soccer game and your disappointed but guess what..It's only a game.(2) You don't want a disabled child because you can't go shopping or drink a beer with? You can go shopping with a kid who is disabled.(3) Besides Jacob, your still young, you may have your liscense, when if you get a car accident then you may be disabled or paralyzed? It has happened. That would put you in a disabled person's shoes.(4) Would your views change then?

(1) - Errr...no. I hate people like that, if my kid was in a team and a dad started being like that with them i would smack him. I cant stand c*nts like that.

(2) - I dont want a disabled child cos
a) Its not fair for the child to go through life in such a way.
b) Its hard work!!

(3) - I dont want a car yet...And if i did get one i would be very cautious in it. And very aware of other drivers...

(4) - No, i would want to die...and be released...

Joe the Intern · #37 08-15-2002, 09:45 PM

I hate to say it, but I think I see where Chris is coming from. The kid would have one hell of a time going through life. I think I'd wanna be put out of my misery too. :S

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #38 08-15-2002, 09:54 PM

Oh well Jacob, it's your child don't look in the eyes you do....hmmm..when did you have a child?

Jacob · #39 08-15-2002, 09:56 PM

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Oh well Jacob, it's your child don't look in the eyes you do....hmmm..when did you have a child?

Ok, say that as if its directed at me please, Fido...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #40 08-15-2002, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob

Ok, say that as if its directed at me please, Fido...

I just did..Raggy Roo.

Jacob · #41 08-15-2002, 10:15 PM

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Oh well Jacob, it's your child don't look in the eyes you do....hmmm..when did you have a child?

Do i have to find someone who speaks fluent Moron or are you going to be kind enough to decipher what you just said!?

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #42 08-15-2002, 10:21 PM

I speak this type of language to arrogant, moron, schizophrenics such as yourself.

I underestimated your intellegence. It's not hard to understand.

I was saying, I don't see what you see in a disabled person. And if you have disabled children and decide to put them to sleep, that's your choice not mine. Wow, was that so hard?

Jacob · #43 08-15-2002, 10:29 PM

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I speak this type of language to arrogant, moron, schizophrenics such as yourself. I underestimated your intellegence. It's not hard to understand.

Gosh, Marjorie, aren't you sassy today, did Santa finally bring you that Y-chromosome ya always wanted!?

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #44 08-15-2002, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob

Gosh, Marjorie, aren't you sassy today, did Santa finally bring you that Y-chromosome ya always wanted!?

LOL! I think you need it more than I do, if ya know what I mean

Gluk Schmuck · #45 08-16-2002, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Jacob
I dont want a car yet...And if i did get one i would be very cautious in it. And very aware of other drivers...

You mean nobody else is going to run into you? Good luck.

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Besides Jacob, your still young, you may have your liscense, when if you get a car accident then you may be disabled or paralyzed? It has happened. That would put you in a disabled person's shoes. Would your views change then?

I'd want to be euphanised if I was completely paralyzed but if just my lower half was parylised then I wouldn't kill myself. I'd kill myself if I went blind though.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #46 08-16-2002, 10:36 AM

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I dont want a car yet...And if i did get one i would be very cautious in it. And very aware of other drivers...

People can bump into. This weirdo bumped into me but it really wasn't that bad of an accident. He bumped me into this person's yard and I had to get a toe truck and I was in troubblllleeeee.

salty pretzils · #47 08-16-2002, 04:27 PM

Hmmm....If I got a disabilty that put me in constant agony, or if I went blind and deaf, or if I was totally paralysed so I couldn't move at all, I'd want to die.
Jacob, do you consider blind, deaf and people with mental conditions inferior? Actully, wait, I allready know the answer to that. How severe does a condition have to be to warrent a person not worthy of existing?

Jacob · #48 08-16-2002, 05:48 PM

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do you consider blind, deaf and people with mental conditions inferior?

No. I dont consider anyone inferior. I just believe that people who wont have a decent shot at life should be put out of their misery. Deaf and Blind people can have a decent shot at life. As can wheel-chaired people. Its the ones who are spastic that dont (If thats offensive to anyone, apologies.)

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People can bump into. This weirdo bumped into me but it really wasn't that bad of an accident. He bumped me into this person's yard and I had to get a toe truck and I was in troubblllleeeee.

Did he? Did he, Pinky? Or did you attempt to run him off the road cos he had Pink, fluffy dice hanging from his rear-view mirror!?

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You mean nobody else is going to run into you? Good luck.

Of course they wouldn't run into me...Im Bisexual.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #49 08-16-2002, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Did he? Did he, Pinky? Or did you attempt to run him off the road cos he had Pink, fluffy dice hanging from his rear-view mirror!?

No, because that car he was driving he stole it! (the police called a toe for me and told me that the car that man drove, he stole it)

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Of course they wouldn't run into me...Im Bisexual.

It doesn't matter who you are (ignoramus). That might be a reason why to run you over! Mwahaahaha!

Jacob · #50 08-16-2002, 08:00 PM

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(the police called a toe for me and told me that the car that man drove, he stole it)

Really? Thats one strong toe...wow...You Americans must have amazing toes...

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It doesn't matter who you are (ignoramus).

I was being sarcastic, Majorie.

Danny · #51 08-16-2002, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
No. I dont consider anyone inferior. I just believe that people who wont have a decent shot at life should be put out of their misery. Deaf and Blind people can have a decent shot at life. As can wheel-chaired people. Its the ones who are spastic that dont (If thats offensive to anyone, apologies.)

Who are you to decide who will have a decent shot at life and who won't? You can't just decide arbitrarily based purely on their disability. CP Sufferers might learn to cope and want to live. Deaf or Blind people might not be able to cope and might want to die. It is not your decision who gets to live and who gets to die. Basing your decision around a person's physical capabilities is just absurd.

Remember, Voluntary Euthanasia (which is what you support, you told me over MSN) means that it is their choice, and nobody else's.

Sydney · #52 08-16-2002, 09:30 PM

Many people with Down's Syndrome are very joyful. Their life is all they've ever been able to experience, so they don't question their disabilities. The same goes for people who are born deaf or blind.

Danny · #53 08-16-2002, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by Sydney
Many people with Down's Syndrome are very joyful.

I believe Chris was referring to Cerebral Palsy. (That's what "Spastics" suffer from, isn't it?)

Jacob · #54 08-16-2002, 09:50 PM

Danny, when did i say i would commit Euthanasia?
And exactly how would somebody paralysed, who is not able to speak, feed themselves or bathe themselves going to have a 'decent shot at life' its cruel making them live if they dont want to. I was merely stating that if i had a child and it was all of the above and my wife didn't want to keep it, i would allow it to be...euthanised.

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Many people with Down's Syndrome are very joyful

Its amazing what the Drugs can do...

Danny · #55 08-16-2002, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
Danny, when did i say i would commit Euthanasia?

In the paragraph below.

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And exactly how would somebody paralysed, who is not able to speak, feed themselves or bathe themselves going to have a 'decent shot at life' its cruel making them live if they dont want to. I was merely stating that if i had a child and it was all of the above and my wife didn't want to keep it, i would allow it to be...euthanised.

See?

So you advocate Involuntary Euthanasia now?

EDIT: Don't get me wrong here, I am a full supporter of Voluntary Euthanasia, but there would have to be a very extreme set of circumstances before I could condone Involuntary Euthanasia.

Jacob · #56 08-16-2002, 10:04 PM

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See?

I know, i had it stating 'Homicide' before.

But i explained myself before...

Danny · #57 08-16-2002, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
But i explained myself before...

I don't care. You have no right to decide whether or not another person is worthy of life, even if (especially if) they are your child. And I don't believe for a second that you would ask your child if they wanted to die...

Sydney · #58 08-16-2002, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
I believe Chris was referring to Cerebral Palsy. (That's what "Spastics" suffer from, isn't it?)

I was referring to Jacob's general belief that those with birth defects wont enjoy life as much.

Jacob · #59 08-16-2002, 10:28 PM

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I don't care. You have no right to decide whether or not another person is worthy of life, even if (especially if) they are your child. And I don't believe for a second that you would ask your child if they wanted to die...

I was talking about voluntary Euthanasia and a pre-birth child...

Danny · #60 08-16-2002, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Sydney
I was referring to Jacob's general belief that those with birth defects wont enjoy life as much.

Acknowledged.

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Chris:
I was talking about voluntary Euthanasia and a pre-birth child...

Ah. I must have gotten confused. I apologise.