Lets amputate -

Kaimana · #31 07-08-2002, 05:09 PM

Whatever will happen on the end will have to be disided later it can only be speculated now but what we know is that we will see the good and bad side of all the races on Oddworld.

Danny · #32 07-08-2002, 08:33 PM

I have to disagree totally with what both Kaimana and TheKhanzumer have said.

The fact is that the Khanzumerz are the closest thing to pure evil that exists on Oddworld. They exist purely to sit on their big fat arses and consume goods. It is because of them that the Cartel and the Conglomerate do what they do. The Khanzumerz sit at the top of Mudos's Class System. Just as Sligs are not truly evil because they are forced to do what they do by the Glukkons, so the Glukkons are forced to do what they do by the Khanzumerz. The Khanzumerz have set up the whole capitalist system to benefit themselves, and as a result have forced only the most ruthless of the other industrial species rise to the top. And their Queen is the most evil of all. Not only is the idea of the Khanzumer queen defecting to the natives laughable, but it would also mean an instant end to all of the mudokons' problems.

Sorry if I sounded harsh there. I don't really care that much about the subject. I was just putting on a good performance...

***Xavier*** · #33 07-08-2002, 08:38 PM

I saw what Danny said somewere and it sounds familiar (and official).
I think he is right: the true evils are in fact the khanzumers.

Kaimana · #34 07-08-2002, 08:42 PM

Well Danny there is no reason to disagree with me at all. My point was that there is a true evil. and now i have found the culprate. The Khanzumers.

Danny · #35 07-08-2002, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimana
Well Danny there is no reason to disagree with me at all. My point was that there is a true evil. and now i have found the culprate. The Khanzumers.

Sorry. I said the bit about disagreeing with you when I was planning on saying something different to what I did say, then forgot to go back and change it...

I'm not sure where I came up with that from. I think some of it is official, some of it is semi-official, and some of it is just the way I think it should be... Like Max, I enjoy filling in the gaps in Oddworld Theory with my own ideas...

Kaimana · #36 07-08-2002, 08:53 PM

and i respect that Danny.

TheKhanzumer · #37 07-08-2002, 10:47 PM

Why does it seem like most of the members here think khanzumerz are truely evil? We aren't that bad really! What's wrong with eating mudokon?

Seriously though, I find it very unlikely that the industrial species would work hard for the khanzumerz unless they recieved something in exchange. And no Moolah is not the right answer. What good is Moolah if it isn't backed by something? That would be like me making my own money and using it to buy food. I don't think that the khanzumerz just sit around all day. Perhaps the kahnzumerz are generators of most of the electicity the Magog Cartel runs off of. Or maybe the khanzumers help protect Mudos from evil invaders from different continents. They must do something, and what they do they must think is right. If that makes them evil then so are the glukkons, vykkers and mudokons.

I don't think that there is a "true evil" on oddworld. I hope that the games don't become more black and white. Instead, I would like the line between good and evil to get thinner and thinner as we near the end of the quintology.

There is one other alternative I can think of. Maybe the khanzumez are all-powerful beings who threatened to destroy the other species unless they worked for them.

In that case, yes. Us khanzumerz would be a bad lot.

Kaimana · #38 07-08-2002, 10:52 PM

Well like i said before this subject is avery uncertain one. we will justa have to what. but for now any theory will do. so im ready to listen to anyone. and so far we all have good ones and yours is a good one Khanz

TheKhanzumer · #39 07-08-2002, 10:59 PM

You know what? I am not an easy one to be convinced to another person's point of view. But when I come to the same conclussion by myself that is a different matter.

I shouldn't have gotten my last idea because now i think it makes the most sense and is probably right.

Kudos to Danny, I am starting to agree with you. Stupid self.

Kaimana · #40 07-08-2002, 11:06 PM

having a strong will and having inner confidence is important. When i make a theory, i concentrate on what i know and what i think i should believe, if i no im wrong im not going to hide it. i will say that i was wrong because i relate to everyone in some form. i can not express how happy i am here. And i hope i am making a good impression and i hope i am helping the forums come to life.

Every one is different, and i respect them. And i respect all of you.

Anyway like i said this is such a unknown subject so many theories can be made. i hope you guys like me making these types of topics.

TheKhanzumer · #41 07-09-2002, 12:44 AM

Believe me Kaimana, you have no idea how appreciative some of us are of your topics! These deep discussions are the type of thing I joined the forums to be a part of. You have given everyone a break from the annoying spam topics that this place is infested with. Thanks.

And Danny... I'm completely won over. It makes perfect sense to me now how the khanzumerz could be so lazy and still convince the industrialists to work to make products for them. The glukkons would never do anything against the will of a species so powerful. Khanzumerz... strongest, fastest, meanest creatures on oddworld. I like this idea the more and more I think about it.

To bad OWI probably has something completely different in store for us. Or maybe that is a good thing.

I still like my khanzumer queen idea though.

Kaimana · #42 07-09-2002, 12:48 AM

Thank you Khanzumer. i will continue to create more topics like this in the mere future.

***Xavier*** · #43 07-09-2002, 05:42 AM

personnaly I still think Khanzumers are evil by nature. plus I think I remember where that thing come form: an old interview of Lorne (sorry can't find it back).

I think Khanzumer posses something since a very long time, lets say all the plants of tabac, and they give it to the glukkons as pay

same addictif system as:
Mudokons=>brew=>Glukkons
Glukkons=>tabac=>Khanzumers

TheKhanzumer · #44 07-09-2002, 04:16 PM

My race, the khanzumerz are evil bastiches (me being the only exception).

Yes I think it is something like that Xavier. Only I like my idea that khanzumerz are so physically overwhelming that all the other species are forced to work for them.

And if the khanzumerz are so evil, what would be more "suprising" than their queen being one of the quintology heroes?

It all makes sense to me. I wish I knew what Lorne has in mind. Hopefully it is better than what I've come up with and not worse.

Oddsville · #45 07-09-2002, 05:01 PM

To incorperate some of everyones theoreys here's a little idea that came fourth from them, I like what Khanz's said about the Khanzumers being so overpowering that they can just command everyone to do what they say, and I like that the Khanzumer queen might be a hero so heres my thought... What if the Khanzumers are so evil that they even treat there queen badly. Lets say that they force here to... I don't know put steroids in here eggs or something. Anyways, they do this because they want to have and keep the ability to reign suprem over all Inhabitants. Now the Khanzumer Queen is in much the same situation as Sam (the Mudokon Queen) is. So near the end of the quintology Abe and pals rescue here and she somehow becomes a hero by helping them out and putting a stop to her evil children?

Thats just a thought that poped into my mind, so tell me what ya think?

Kaimana · #46 07-09-2002, 05:08 PM

Thats interesting Oddsville. One thing we are not sure of is that evil may over power loyalty, bring greed and possibly cause the Khanzumers to over power there queen and simply use her as a tool to keep the khanzumers at the top of the food chain. There might be a other Khanzumer that is running the show and is just using there queen to keep the race going,Abe and crew might discover this and goto save her making her a hero as she helps Abe and crew. i dont know but it is a good idea.

TheKhanzumer · #47 07-09-2002, 05:56 PM

The only bad part about our great ideas is that unless we are incredibly lucky, the true end of the quintology will not be as good. It is a shame really that such good ideas will probably not come to fruitition. I hope the quintology ends something like this though. I can't imagine Lorne having a better idea.

Hopefully we are either psychik or OWI actually does have a better ending planned.

Kaimana · #48 07-09-2002, 06:00 PM

Yes it is a shame that all of our brilliant ideas might not come true in the end. But i am hoping whatever the end may be that it will be great.

***Xavier*** · #49 07-09-2002, 06:02 PM

*thinks about the multi-end-story munch's oddysee was supposed to be*

why only one end?

TheKhanzumer · #50 07-09-2002, 06:08 PM

Good point Xavier. In future games the different endings might be even more drastic.

But we are just talking about the general storyline of the later games.

***Xavier*** · #51 07-09-2002, 06:13 PM

well I think all the games will have "good ends" who are showing us something and that that part is keeped for the next game.

the ending only show us different aspects or possibilities to one final solution.

and the final quintology game can have lots of different ending videos