Stop Commercial Whaling! -

Danny · #31 04-19-2002, 08:24 PM

Doug, just ignore morphius... I've never experienced this, but apparently he's been irritating people on Oddchat for months...

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Do you know how they kill whales? I do. My dad used to be a commercial fisherman and he told me how people take down whales. Harpoons are useless unless you have hundreds of em. You need somethink a little more spunky, something with more kick. The shoot an explosive barbed harpoon. The massive heat and bleeding kills in minutes. Commercial whaling is good.

Why?

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I don't see any of you crusading to save mock lobster or redfish.

Whales are a whole Order, not just an individual Species. When a whole Order is rarer than most Species are, then I think they are deserving of special attention, don't you?

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What,aren't the fish you veg heads eat cute enough to save. Hypocrites

Vegetarians don't eat meat. Moron. Do you ever think about what you say before you say it?

morphius · #32 04-19-2002, 09:29 PM

My point is there is worse problems than whaling, atleast they get to enjoy there short while on this planet.............Unlike some animals such as pigs............Every animal is important because it is part of a chain, but the question is how to do you value them?
I respect trying to save them but the fact is you know nothing of there presence this is for any human to make his or her choice about, but do not enforce that they need special attention, because half of the earths animals do, so go save them all, but controlling humanity is not in your hands........

Sydney · #33 04-19-2002, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
Could they be considered the weaker species that never evolved to our level? Dont the weak usually die anyways?

I agree that humans have reached an impressive evolutionary level, but I think it's caused an imbalance in the world's ecosystem. Our power can be intoxicating, but unlike other animals, we have to exercise some kind of restraint if we're going to keep this world a beautiful place to live in. If we always believed that might equals right, there would be chaos.

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Originally posted by morphius
I respect trying to save them but the fact is you know nothing of there presence this is for any human to make his or her choice about, but do not enforce that they need special attention, because half of the earths animals do, so go save them all, but controlling humanity is not in your hands........

Do you want the world to be apathetic? I think the problem is that people become defensive whenever an issue like whaling is presented, because they feel someone is attacking their lifestyle. I'm just presenting the problem and leaving it up to you to do something about it if. Perhaps the problem is that there's no immediate reward?

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
What,aren't the fish you veg heads eat cute enough to save. Hypocrites

First you advocate commercial whaling, because you say it's "good," then you accuse the vegetarians who posted in this thread of eating ugly fish and being hypocrites. Just because you can see the reasoning in only killing ugly animals, doesn't mean we follow the same reasoning.

morphius · #34 04-19-2002, 09:46 PM

Sydney, you are more of an idealist, whereas I tend to be more practical. Nevertheless I highly respect your opinion on this matter.

Sydney · #35 04-19-2002, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
Sydney, you are more of an idealist, whereas I tend to be more practical. Nevertheless I highly respect your opinion on this matter.

I can be idealistic sometimes, but are you indicating that the extinction of whales wouldn't bother you at all? If you sit back in apathy, whales will become extinct, along with the next species we move on to. Sign up with this petition, there's something practical for you.

Danny · #36 04-19-2002, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
My point is there is worse problems than whaling,

Yes, but we can't do anything about them! What would you be doing to help the world, honestly, in the time it would take you to sign a few petitions?

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atleast they get to enjoy there short while on this planet.............Unlike some animals such as pigs............Every animal is important because it is part of a chain, but the question is how to do you value them?

Pigs are not near extinction. I'm a vegetarian, but even I don't value domestic animals above endangered wildlife.

morphius · #37 04-19-2002, 10:34 PM

However if society always based everything on saving whats important 1/2 of the human race would be gone, sometimes you should look at whats suffering the most..........

Danny · #38 04-19-2002, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
However if society always based everything on saving whats important 1/2 of the human race would be gone, sometimes you should look at whats suffering the most..........

Morphius, again, We can do something here to try and help the whale! Instead of criticising us by saying we should be worrying about more important things, why don't you tell us how we can help solve these important problems, because if you can't, then why are you coming in here and complaining to us about us trying to do something good for the world...

morphius · #39 04-19-2002, 11:00 PM

A petition will work in Japan, do you think they care about a petition going around? Read my above statements its all pending and beliefs, i am not questioning yours.............

Danny · #40 04-19-2002, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
A petition will work in Japan, do you think they care about a petition going around? Read my above statements its all pending and beliefs, i am not questioning yours.............

Morphius, you started saying how there were more important things to worry about, but didn't tell us how we could help them. Why don't you just leave a topic alone if you don't have aything worthehile to say?

morphius · #41 04-19-2002, 11:18 PM

What is there to say the world has problems and not all of them can be solved, and priorities are imoprtant, sometimes it takes a revolution.....Sometimes the path is hard..............

Danny · #42 04-19-2002, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by morphius
What is there to say the world has problems and not all of them can be solved,

But why bother mentioning them here?

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priorities are imoprtant,

Not here, they're not, because we have only two options: Sign or Don't Sign. You haven't suggested anything better to do, so shut up.

Surfacing · #43 04-19-2002, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
Ooo, can I have a go?
[list=1][*]Warped sense of priorities[*]Slipknot[*]Homophobia[*]Selfishness[*]Belief that there is something wrong with being Sensitive[*]A really annoying Avatar[/list=1]

You asked for it...

The only 2 you got right were, homophbic, and slipknot, as for everything else there just your opinions, And being Homophobic and listening to slipknot are not problems.

morphius · #44 04-19-2002, 11:28 PM

You said there were more important things too.

Danny · #45 04-19-2002, 11:35 PM

You did say that you would never help a stranger who was in trouble. And you took the term "sensitive" as an offense... :S

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Originally posted by Surfacing
Being Homophobic and listening to slipknot are not problems.

They've already reached Epidemic proportions...

Statikk HDM · #46 04-19-2002, 11:42 PM

Whaling is good. It creates jobs. It sounds fun. Whale probably tastes excellant. Other nations just skirt around zone restrictions. Let's make it totally legal. Hey, if everyone else gets in on this lucrative action, everyone should have a crack at it. Whales are espendable and not important to a lot of people. Ever see this on someones resume: I petioned for the sake of whales? No one will brother anyway. In congress I guarantee if this was brought up, their would be 5 dewy eyed save everything people and everyone else would think" Whaling+campaign donations+Reelection. Slaughter the whales!" and shoot it down like a wounded duck. And what would happen to the precious, precious ecosystem if the blue larded tippycanoe whale became extinct? Jack squat, thats what. 99 percent of all species are gone, who says whales matter?

Surfacing · #47 04-19-2002, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
You did say that you would never help a stranger who was in trouble. And you took the term "sensitive" as an offense... :SThey've already reached Epidemic proportions...

You just miss understood me on the sensitive topic. And so what if i did'nt want to help a complete stranger, just cause you would and i would'nt does not make me bad. And yes slipknot are Epidemic, unlike most of the stuff you listen to.

Disgruntled Intern · #48 04-19-2002, 11:53 PM

hmmm wouldn't it be nice if we could put certain forum members on Ignore?
*glares at Statikk*

Statikk HDM · #49 04-20-2002, 12:59 AM

What? You like whales, I don't. And Greenpeace is a crappy organization that uses dirty tactics and is involved with ecoterrorism. ALF and ELF anyone? Same with PETA.

Danny · #50 04-20-2002, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Whaling is good. It creates jobs. It sounds fun. Whale probably tastes excellant. Other nations just skirt around zone restrictions. Let's make it totally legal. Hey, if everyone else gets in on this lucrative action, everyone should have a crack at it. Whales are espendable and not important to a lot of people. Ever see this on someones resume: I petioned for the sake of whales? No one will brother anyway. In congress I guarantee if this was brought up, their would be 5 dewy eyed save everything people and everyone else would think" Whaling+campaign donations+Reelection. Slaughter the whales!" and shoot it down like a wounded duck. And what would happen to the precious, precious ecosystem if the blue larded tippycanoe whale became extinct? Jack squat, thats what. 99 percent of all species are gone, who says whales matter?

Moron. Saying stupid things about sensitive topics doesn't make you interesting, you know...

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Originally posted by Surfacing
You just miss understood me on the sensitive topic. And so what if i did'nt want to help a complete stranger, just cause you would and i would'nt does not make me bad. And yes slipknot are Epidemic, unlike most of the stuff you listen to.

That's because I listen to what's good, not what's popular, but that's for a different argument, so let's not get sidetracked.

Surfacing · #51 04-20-2002, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by Danny
Moron. Saying stupid things about sensitive topics doesn't make you interesting, you know...(1)

That's because I listen to what's good, not what's popular, but that's for a different argument, so let's not get sidetracked.(2)

1) I never said i did

2)I don't judge bands by popularity, I listen to From Zero for Christ sakes!.

Danny · #52 04-20-2002, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
1) I never said i did

Look at who I was quoting. I was talking to Statikk, not you.

Statikk HDM · #53 04-20-2002, 02:10 PM

Gee, thanks for calling me a moron. I see why everyone wants you to be a moderator or master of the world or whatever. It is because you are temperate. If you don't have anything to say except quote me and call me a moron, why are you posting here. Tell me why I should give a shit about the "majestic" whale.

Danny · #54 04-20-2002, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Gee, thanks for calling me a moron. I see why everyone wants you to be a moderator or master of the world or whatever. It is because you are temperate.

They want me to be Mod because I'm just all-round great...

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If you don't have anything to say except quote me and call me a moron, why are you posting here.

It needed to be said.

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Tell my why I should give a shit about the "majestic" whale.

Why do you try so hard to be controversial? You should give a shit about the whale because they've never done anything to people, and yet people have driven them almost to extinction. It's about time Humans stopped wiping other species off the planet and grew up a little as a society. Starting with you.

Statikk HDM · #55 04-20-2002, 06:58 PM

Yeah. Whales never did anything for me but they never did anything TO me. Besides,if everyone hunted them now before the populations were stable their would be no whales, or money creating whaling businesses. I wonder how many whales are left now? I'm guessing not enough to start a competitive business.

Sl'askia · #56 04-20-2002, 07:19 PM

Whales are an importent part of the food chain, they are at/near the top of it. If they all go extinct, there will be a population explosion of the food they eat (ie plankton, small fish, etc), which would lead to them consuming all the of their food sources and then the whole chain collapses.
On a related subject and it serves as a good example, in an older topic someone said they were having a major deer problem in their area. Now...wolves and a couple of other preditors normally keep the deer population in check. But guess what? Humans drove out/killed all the deers natural preditors and the deers population exploded.
Due to their ignorence, humans now have to cull the deer to keep them from 'eating' them out of house and home themselves. If they hadn't gotten rid of the preditors to begin with...they wouldn't have to!
Same thing will happen if the whales go extinct....
And remember...whales reproduce at a much slower rate then fish, lobster and other aquatic life. (same with Sharks BTW) They can't recover their numbers as fast...

Sydney · #57 04-20-2002, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by Statikk HDM
Yeah. Whales never did anything for me but they never did anything TO me.

You seem to value something on whether or not it has done anything for you. I've said this before, but that's selfish. These whales are just as much of a living being as you are. They have a brain like us, they think, experience emotions, etc. Might does not equal Right. Simply because we can exploit them is no reason to exploit them, unless you're a pleasure-seeking, heartless opportunist.

CNN.com posted an article today on whales, it covers the number of whales killed by collisions with ships:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/04/20/wha....ap/index.html

Surfacing · #58 04-20-2002, 11:14 PM

Statick, we know you hate whales, so stop ruining this for people who care about things other than them selfves. There is no point in arguing with us it's not like you can make us hate whales as well and it's not like we can make you like them, so stop.

Jacob · #59 04-20-2002, 11:41 PM

Stat...your the breed of guy that makes me look at guys in general and think 'Ugh...how vile.' Your probably never going to get married with a attitude like that (Unless you marry some...like...ugly, country bumpkin called 'Ursela'). Although i don't like Greenpeace cos it reminds me of that hippy...Swampy. Who was so very vile. I dont like hippies...they dont shave and they look awful...also, they are too fussy.

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Gee, thanks for calling me a moron

Im sure if you shared your opinions with your 'friends' (If you have any.) that'd they'd grace you with the words 'Moron' and 'Dick' also. Also...aint you, like a bible basher? And if so...doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that you shouldn't treat animals wrongy or something...i dont know alot since i have a life...but still. Also, i dont understand why hunters just dont go and hunt humans? I dont mean like a brutal thing. But like something America would do. Like, for a execution. And they'd say "If you can get to here...without been killed, we will let you free." And then they let the convict go in a deserted woodland, to get to a certain point. While Hunters hunted them. Humans would serve a good challenge. Also, it could be transmitted to Tv...And presented by the one and only moi!!

Danny · #60 04-21-2002, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Jacob
I dont like hippies...they dont shave and they look awful...

I shave...

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also, they are too fussy.

Don't know where you got that one from... Hippies are famously unfussy...