Oddworld without Lorne Lanning?

[Vlam]

Yes, kjjcarpenter, I was thinking of those archives myself. It's not hard to imagine someone like Wil (a consultant) to be faithful to Lanning's legacy.

[Varrok]

He's not even faithful to being very active on OWF

[Vlam]

Anyway, he may be the biggest Oddworld nerd on the planet.

[enchilado]

I think the comparison with George Lucas is pretty sound. Other people could do Oddworld better without Lanning's involvement.

[Crashpunk]

I swear. Wil knows more about Oddworld than even Lorne does.

Didn't JAW have access to the archives, which told around 2000 years of Oddworld's history? It sounds to me like Lorne has much of the story already outlined, so providing a third party had access to these archives, it wouldn't be all too hard to tell the actual story.

Yes JAW had tons of Oddworld material. There's a lot of it.

I wonder if they still have it? hah.

[Nate]

I think the comparison with George Lucas is pretty sound.

I disagree. George Lucas had told the tale he wanted to tell. Lorne Lanning hasn't.

[Manco]

I'd also point out that George Lucas has produced way more and way worse stories than Lorne ever has.

[Connell]

I disagree. George Lucas had told the tale he wanted to tell. Lorne Lanning hasn't.

I thought George Lucas had always openly discussed since the 80's how he wanted to have 3 Star Wars trilogies? That would mean he only told two thirds of his story.

[Nate]

I thought George Lucas had always openly discussed since the 80's how he wanted to have 3 Star Wars trilogies? That would mean he only told two thirds of his story.

He said he had a few ideas, but didn't have any intention of making them. All through the period when he was making the prequel trilogy, he was very clear that after Episode 3 he wouldn't make any more Star Wars films.

[STM]

When Lorne says he has 10,000 years of history, does anyone know what that means? Is it broad strokes or does it go down to the minutiae of day to day life? '10,000' years of history really doesn't mean all that much of there's a brief entry every few years or so.

[kjjcarpenter]

When Lorne says he has 10,000 years of history, does anyone know what that means? Is it broad strokes or does it go down to the minutiae of day to day life? '10,000' years of history really doesn't mean all that much of there's a brief entry every few years or so.

Broad strokes with intermittent events of particular worth. Take a peak at the Appendices at the end of "Return of the King", and I think you'll get a pretty good idea. It's probably not as impressive as it sounds, but a creative mind can interpret a lot from broad strokes.

Honestly, it's likely material that will never be explored or revealed to us, but it would give Lorne the background knowledge to tell a convincing story.

[Vlam]

Why some of you are still talking about Lucas (who isn't part of the gaming industry) ?

About the unfinished quintology : let's face it, it's nothing more than a gimmick. Lanning doesn't care : he did Stranger just after Munch. Today, his main project is AE's remake...

[Jordan]

Why some of you are still talking about Lucas (who isn't part of the gaming industry) ?

Although the analogy to Lucas doesn't hold much merit, there's no reason not to speak about him because he isn't related to the games industry. We're talking about worlds created by people. Them being films/games is irrelevant

[Vlam]

Yes, I was trying to say this : find another analogy (like Kojima).

[Varrok]

Kojima's not indie

[STM]

Broad strokes with intermittent events of particular worth. Take a peak at the Appendices at the end of "Return of the King", and I think you'll get a pretty good idea. It's probably not as impressive as it sounds, but a creative mind can interpret a lot from broad strokes.

Honestly, it's likely material that will never be explored or revealed to us, but it would give Lorne the background knowledge to tell a convincing story.

Anyone could make an educated guess though. I meant genuine knowledge.

[Holy Sock]

Why some of you are still talking about Lucas (who isn't part of the gaming industry) ?

About the unfinished quintology : let's face it, it's nothing more than a gimmick. Lanning doesn't care : he did Stranger just after Munch. Today, his main project is AE's remake...

It's not more than a gimmick. That doesn't make any sense. It's a story with a beginning, middle and end and Lorne has structured it around 5 installments. If it was a film series it would more than likely be 5 films, too.

When he made Stranger he wasn't abandoning the quintology forever and ever. No one said they couldn't make other Oddworld games. In fact Exoddus was their second game and wasn't a planned installment of the quintology.

The reason they're focusing on the Exoddus remake is to build the financial base to where they can return to original IPs again.

And you know I think you know all this vlam but you just choose to ignore it every time you make this silly statement.

[kjjcarpenter]

Anyone could make an educated guess though. I meant genuine knowledge.

In that case, no, I don't have any idea, haha.

I'd bet my bottom dollar on it though.

[FrustratedAssassin]

I'm starting to believe vlam is actually a troll and his goal really is to drive everyone insane. There are valid complaints to be had about NnT, but none of his are valid. Because they're all "Lorne Lanning is incompetent".

[Varrok]

He's made a few good points, just not now and here.

[Vlam]

Holy Sock : you know, back in 1997, people were excited because of the "quintology". It's smart from Lanning : you actually were under the under the impression that it was the first installment of something much bigger. But how do you explain that he did SW instead ? After, he was talking about Fangus and Citizen Siege (oddworld unrelated). I mean, it's like he doesn't want to disappoint or that the "quintology" isn't a real thing (from the start). In 2015, does the "quintology" matters ?

[Holy Sock]

I mean Lorne's explained in plenty of interviews why they did Stranger after Munch. Munch was a shitty experience, Lorne wanted to do something different, first person shooters were the trend and he wanted to do the Oddworld spin on it. It was only their fourth game, man. The Quintology was a blue print for the main storyline involving Abe. It doesn't mean they can't do other games. Way back in the late 1990s they talked about making Hand of Odd, too, which wasn't a part of the Quintology either.

Fangus was just like a spiritual sequel to Stranger. At no point did he say or imply that he wasn't interested in moving onto Squeek's Oddysee.

Citizen Siege was a way to get the ball rolling on an Oddworld film franchise after they shut down their internal studio in 2005.

Why can't you accept that OWI are allowed to make non-Quintology games? Why is it upsetting you so much?

[Vlam]

Obviously, Holy Sock : today Lanning doesn't have the means to its ambition. Kjjcarpenter were saying the same thing : Lanning will be dead before the last installment of the "Quintology". I was trying to say this : it doesn't matter if Lanning ends the franchise without making the fifth game of the so called quintology.

[Holy Sock]

Not yet. and that's what New n Tasty and the Exoddus remake is supposed to work toward. It's very possibly that Lanning won't be able to finish his story - games take an awful long time to make - but you're getting arbitrarily hung up on the idea of five planned games. It's just a way to illustate that there's an arc here rather than the random adventures of Abe and friends that could go on indefinitely. And we just refer to this story as the quintology because Lorne reckons he has five games worth of stories to tell.

[Vlam]

Yes, Holy Sock, I'm saying that, for some, the quintology is something sacred and the ultimate goal to achieve.

Whereas, in MO, who is part of it, you don't even see Maggie and Mullock's trial. Unless, of course, after Tzf, MO's remake is planned...

[STM]

Why does that matter? You're complaining about something that happened 15 years ago.

[Vlam]

You don't get it. I'm not complaining. I'm saying this : the quintology isn't relevant.

[Holy Sock]

Yes, Holy Sock, I'm saying that, for some, the quintology is something sacred and the ultimate goal to achieve.

Whereas, in MO, who is part of it, you don't even see Maggie and Mullock's trial. Unless, of course, after Tzf, MO's remake is planned...

And in Oddysee you didn't really explore Molluck etc. It's why Lanning tried to make feature films after their studio shut down: to tell the fleshed out storied. But they couldn't get the funding, ultimately, and now that digital distribution took off it means that OWI have the opportunity to continue with video game development without getting a large publisher again.

MO was also an over ambitious product that fell pretty short in terms of story and gameplay. Lanning blames himself for overreaching, here. I think they really do need a Munch's Exoddus to introduce Maggy and Sam etc. It would be outside the Quintology but,again, it's a road map.

I mean you say the quintology isn't relevant but to what exactly? Oddworld has always been story driven experiences. Are you arguing that they shouldn't have a story arc and just make as many Abe games as they like? That they should just scrap the stories altogether?I don't get it.

[Vlam]

I'm saying that it should have, of course, a story arc (but not necessarily as a quintology). For example, Squeek could end the story.

[Holy Sock]

Why? If Lorne has ideas for two more games after Squeek why try and squeeze three stories into one?