Munch PS2 Demo Version -

Crashpunk · #31 01-14-2013, 03:21 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Varrok again

Dammit.

Nepsotic · #32 01-14-2013, 03:22 PM

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do you mean that you really fuck ponies,

I wish. Also, I like you calling me Dubstep. Please continue.

Slog Bait · #33 01-14-2013, 03:23 PM

Pony fucker has a nicer ring to it.

Phylum · #34 01-14-2013, 03:30 PM

Munch wasn't that bad. Most of us have long since accepted that. It was disappointing because of what was promised and it wasn't good, but it wasn't bad.

I don't know if it's worse that Nep is so blindly hating on it or that Pupbenny said that it being Oddworld was a reason to play it.

Nepsotic · #35 01-14-2013, 03:40 PM

I have loads of reasons to dislike it. I will go into detail about these reasons tomorrow because at the moment I am tired and wish to sleep.

Slog Bait · #36 01-14-2013, 03:47 PM

It being Oddworld is probably the only reason to play MO, though. It's a chunk of the quintology's story that introduces one of the main heroes, and one of the previous heroes plays a large part in. Why would you play it otherwise?

Most people can agree it's probably the worst in the series that's not Oddworld Adventures because dear god, and if you look at it as a stand alone game it's not that bad, but it's far from good. It's in that grey area and there are so many better platformers (and hilariously bad ones) that came out around that time that have better controls, are more aesthetically pleasing, and on multiple consoles rather than being Xbox exclusive. Or, at least previously being Xbox exclusive.

The only real appeal to it that most other platformers didn't have was being able to possess your enemies.

I mean, I guess I can see someone looking at the cover art and going, "HUH, THIS LOOKS INTERESTING. I THINK I'LL PLAY IT." But that's it????

Vyrien · #37 01-14-2013, 03:58 PM

I want to defend Munch because I liked the Vykkers but I can't really.

The creature design was good but that's a given for Oddworld. I enjoyed the game as a game but as an Oddworld title it fell short of the mark.

Slog Bait · #38 01-14-2013, 04:10 PM

At the end of the day the creatures' designs are the only thing about MO I could defend.

Seriously, even the soundtrack for MO was sub par.

Connell · #39 01-14-2013, 05:02 PM

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God forbid anyone want to play the game simply because they are a fan of the series.

I wasn't saying that you shouldn't play it even if you're fan. I was saying the fact it's got the Oddworld logo slapped on the box doesn't make it good.

I was a fan and I played it, and I didn't enjoy it, like many others.

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Yea, games from 2001 typically have shit graphics.

But even for the standard at the time, the game was pretty low down on the graphics front. That was my point. It was rushed and disappointingly looked below par in comparison to other games of the time. That's why it has it's cartoon-ish reputation.

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Oh brother...

I see my typically British sense of humour has gone over your head..

I think most of my disdain for the game comes from the fact it simply could have been so much more. It's like that underachiever of a group that had so much potential.

mr.odd · #40 01-14-2013, 06:20 PM

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I wasn't saying that you shouldn't play it even if you're fan. I was saying the fact it's got the Oddworld logo slapped on the box doesn't make it good.

I was a fan and I played it, and I didn't enjoy it, like many others.

But... that isn't what you were saying... You said:

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The fact it is Oddworld is certainly not a good enough reason to play it, and it's something I always argue against.

Am I misinterpreting this here?

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But even for the standard at the time, the game was pretty low down on the graphics front. That was my point. It was rushed and disappointingly looked below par in comparison to other games of the time. That's why it has it's cartoon-ish reputation.

No, not really. The standard was pretty low i thought.

Do you see a huge difference here? Because i don't.

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I think most of my disdain for the game comes from the fact it simply could have been so much more. It's like that underachiever of a group that had so much potential.

I agree. It could have been so much more. But i think that came from the fact that this was OWI first 3D game. Whole new ball park for them.

Phylum · #41 01-14-2013, 06:27 PM

The environment textures are very low resolution and lack any interesting features especially compared to those other shots. It's a relic of it being a rushed job, I think.

RoryF · #42 01-14-2013, 10:28 PM

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But even for the standard at the time, the game was pretty low down on the graphics front. That was my point. It was rushed and disappointingly looked below par in comparison to other games of the time. That's why it has it's cartoon-ish reputation.

It looked cartoon-ish because of how bright the colours of textures were and the exaggerated gravity, sounds and animation. The models themselves look like the other launch titles.

Just look at Abe jumping, you'll see what I mean.

MeechCrunchies · #43 01-15-2013, 08:20 AM

Anyone have a link for this? The douchenozzle who uploaded won't allow it to be viewed stateside

pupbenny · #44 01-15-2013, 08:21 AM

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Munch wasn't that bad. Most of us have long since accepted that. It was disappointing because of what was promised and it wasn't good, but it wasn't bad.

I don't know if it's worse that Nep is so blindly hating on it or that Pupbenny said that it being Oddworld was a reason to play it.

BANG! You have got it dead right! People don't like it because they promised alot more than they managed to deliver! I like Munch, everything about it, but think that the PS2 version would've been alot better because it was like the original games just in 3D, which is what I alwyas thought Munch's Oddysee would be. That is why I want this demo!

Also, what's wrong with Oddworld being a reason to play it? It's showing my dedication to Oddworld, and am suprised you guys don't agree. :P It's much better to like Oddworld overly than to hate Oddworld. :P

Below are some comments people have made that I think are right and agree with.

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I enjoyed the game as a game but as an Oddworld title it fell short of the mark.

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Seriously, even the soundtrack for MO was sub par.

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It looked cartoon-ish

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look at Abe jumping

Anyway, I made this topic to discuss this existing Munch PS2 Demo. I did not make this to argue over whether Munch was a good game or not thank you very much nepsotic. If you're gonig to argue do it in another topic please.

MeechCrunchies · #45 01-15-2013, 08:33 AM

Well?
I'd like to view this sometime without buying a ticket to the U.K

Steamer_KING · #46 01-15-2013, 08:42 AM

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That is why I want this demo!

This isn't a playable demo, it's just a technical demo to show what the engine could do and what was capable of.

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Also, what's wrong with Oddworld being a reason to play it? It's showing my dedication to Oddworld, and am suprised you guys don't agree. :P It's much better to like Oddworld overly than to hate Oddworld. :P

Because that's a POV of a fanboy. Fanboys aren't exactly the best persons to give an opinion on something.

Nepsotic · #47 01-15-2013, 09:11 AM

Munch's Oddysee was a bad game. It wasn't just a bad Oddworld game, it was a bad game altogether,
First, the atmosphere. This was a huge step down from the atmospheres of the previous two games. They were dark, not overly cartoony. I'm not saying there was no humor elements, but the ones that were there worked well and were actually funny. MO does not give me a sense of dread when I play it and that's mostly due to the health bar bullshit, although on the other hand, it was a 3D game, and one hit kills would be a pain in the arse.

The level design. Half the levels in MO look exactly the same, there was nowhere near as many puzzle elements in the levels and it was far too easy. Most of the levels involved picking up Mudokons and running through some sligs whilst trying not to get shot, the places looked crap, and the levels were shit.
Another reason is the creatures. I've said before that the creature design in MO was bad. I'm not saying they all are, but think about it. Meeps, what the fuck were they all about? One leg? And fuzzles, they were just pathetic, a pointless addition to the game and they made no sense. Gabbits were pretty stupid, too. Also, the Glukkon class thing wasn't bad, until they got to that Gluk Star bullshit, and LuLu took away from everything that were supposed to make Glukkons Glukkons. It was incredibly stupid.

Also, the controls, the controls were not awful, but bad. And the graphics have already been mentioned, and they were pathetic, everything was extremely bland. Don't even get me started on the sound design...

OANST · #48 01-15-2013, 09:12 AM

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Sobs grossly into TV dinner

Sobe's grossly into TV dinner.

pupbenny · #49 01-15-2013, 10:39 AM

I like Munch's Oddysee and think it was a good game. Other people don't. That's it.

As I said, please argue on another thread.

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This isn't a playable demo, it's just a technical demo to show what the engine could do and what was capable of.

Because that's a POV of a fanboy. Fanboys aren't exactly the best persons to give an opinion on something.

I do not think this is a technical demo, as the person seems to be playing it, unlike the other videos. You could be right though. I'm hoping it's not though.

Also, I'm not a POV of a fanboy, I just like Oddworld and I like Oddworld: Munch's Oddyseee.

K100 · #50 01-15-2013, 10:46 AM

I have already responded to you about this video:

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The second video is from a beta version of munch on xBox. There are more videos here:

http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/cinema/MO04.htm

GameSpot Gameplay 10 is the same video, but in the beginning you can see an xbox controller.

Nepsotic · #51 01-15-2013, 11:13 AM

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As I said, please argue on another thread.

Somebody's trying to get the 'Who'd make the best mod' award...

Steamer_KING · #52 01-15-2013, 11:23 AM

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I do not think this is a technical demo, as the person seems to be playing it, unlike the other videos. You could be right though. I'm hoping it's not though.

It is.

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Also, I'm not a POV of a fanboy, I just like Oddworld and I like Oddworld: Munch's Oddyseee.

Do you even know what POV means? Also you said:

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Also, what's wrong with Oddworld being a reason to play it? It's showing my dedication to Oddworld, and am suprised you guys don't agree. :P It's much better to like Oddworld overly than to hate Oddworld. :P

You might have not wanted to sound like a fanboy, but you did.

Nepsotic · #53 01-15-2013, 11:34 AM

Oddworld fans should realise that the Oddworld Forums is the last place they should come.

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I like Munch's Oddysee and think it was a good game. Other people don't. That's it.

But the target audience seemed to be 5 year olds. Are you 5?

RoryF · #54 01-15-2013, 01:46 PM

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But the target audience seemed to be 5 year olds. Are you 5?

But the target audience for MLP seemed to be little girls. Are you a little girl?

Nepsotic · #55 01-15-2013, 01:55 PM

You got me there.

Jordan · #56 01-15-2013, 02:11 PM

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But the target audience seemed to be 5 year olds. Are you 5?

Okay you've gone beyond stating your opinion on MO and you're now insulting someone who has an opposing opinion. I can tolerate the fact that you dislike the game, but stop forcing it down people's throats. It's times like this where I really don't think you've changed that much at all. Calm the fuck down.

Nepsotic · #57 01-15-2013, 02:25 PM

right

Phylum · #58 01-15-2013, 04:19 PM

Nep, stop and look at your reasoning for why MO is terrible. All of your reasons are comparisons to AO and AE. AO and AE are very good games and the same criticisms could be drawn between a tonne of games and those two.

Also, remember months ago when I said to take a step back and not get caught up in the ideas that you'll get about this place like this?

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Oddworld fans should realise that the Oddworld Forums is the last place they should come.

You're the only one trying to ram your hatred of MO down everyone's throats here.

Don't take the first part of my post to mean you should respond. It would be silly to keep arguing from here.

Steamer_KING · #59 01-15-2013, 04:26 PM

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hey look, it's 2001 again! Man, how I've missed you, 2001...

Connell · #60 01-15-2013, 04:47 PM

Jeeze, the game was shit. Oddworld or not, it was so flawed. If you don't compare it to AO or AE, it was still shit. By any standards its a clunky excuse for entertainment. For whatever reason, it turned out to be a bad video game that isn't worth playing, or making a HD remake of.