Salvia

[T-nex]

Well.. The fact still stand that alcohol kills more people than weed.

Dunno about salvia though. If anyone's ever died from it, or if it's even possible to take in a lethal amount of it.

But really. Marijuana and Salvia doesn't HAVE to be smoked. You can make pot-brownies, you can make Salvia tea. there's a whole lot that you can do that doesn't involve inhaling combusted plant-matter.

[OANST]

There is no point denying that stuff like that can happen after a single use. But the chances of that aren't very high.

Yes there is. I'm denying it right now. That person either had a chemical imbalance, or was dealing with some serious personal shit. Smoking pot is not going to do that to someone. It may do that to them for the duration of their high, but once that shit wears off, the symptoms are not going to persist.

[Ridg3]

It's more effective whenever it is smoked. The THC in cannabis is absorbed by the blood and goes straight to the brain whenever it's smoked. Whenever it's eaten, it takes a long time to digest for the THC to be absorbed in the digestive tract.

[T-nex]

Yes there is. I'm denying it right now. That person either had a chemical imbalance, or was dealing with some serious personal shit. Smoking pot is not going to do that to someone. It may do that to them for the duration of their high, but once that shit wears off, the symptoms are not going to persist.

Well yea, they'd have to be pre-disposed to it beforehand. But it's happened, and many people have their stories to tell tell. It's just something that doesn't happen often. Pot isn't totally harmless, but the risks are rather mundane, and I don't bother with them much. Many people don't. But some people just don't know they are gonna have a bad reaction to it. Poor them.

[OANST]

Well yea, they'd have to be pre-disposed to it beforehand. But it's happened, and many people have their stories to tell tell. It's just something that doesn't happen often. Pot isn't totally harmless, but the risks are rather mundane, and I don't bother with them much. Many people don't. But some people just don't know they are gonna have a bad reaction to it. Poor them.

I still dispute that. I've never heard of or met a single person who that could honestly be said of. It's true that you'll hear plenty of stories that people like to tell, but they're bullshit. This is because people are lying shits.

[T-nex]

I still dispute that. I've never heard of or met a single person who that could honestly be said of. It's true that you'll hear plenty of stories that people like to tell, but they're bullshit. This is because people are lying shits.

Or maybe it's just that they used a drug that triggered their mental sketchyness and they got harmed in that way. Not saying I's pot's fault. But there's always a risk everything we do in some way. The risks are just so small that they aren't really that much worth thinking about.

Really I'm just saying that BM's friend was probably really unfortunate, and pot wasn't the right drug for him. Most people come out pretty fine I guess.

[OANST]

Or maybe it's just that they used a drug that triggered their mental sketchyness and they got harmed in that way.

Except that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that pot could do that. You'd might as well say that it's Jesus' punishment. They are equally sound theories.

[Bullet Magnet]

Actually, substance-induced psychosis is a well-documented condition, and it is known to cause schizophrenic episodes in people with underlying disorders, not all of whom will know that they do. More insidious is the way it can mask symptoms of mental illness (the early pangs of which might have lead to cannabis use in the first place) and prevent people from seeking or being provided with the help they need.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17662880
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15871146

[OANST]

And what they are saying is that there is no way for them to know if these people were predisposed to use drugs because of existing problems or not.

What we do know is that thc has not been proven to cause, or trigger psychotic episodes in any way. That's what we know.

[Bullet Magnet]

What we know is that telling young people that certain drugs are safe is irresponsible.

[OANST]

Even if they are? Is lying more responsible?

[Wings of Fire]

One would think erring on the side of caution is more responsible.

[OANST]

Erring on the side of caution of what? Some guy told me that not going to church meant that I was going to spend an eternity of torment in flames. Should I err on the side of caution?

[Wings of Fire]

We have cases of people getting fucked up from smoking weed, we don't have any documented cases of people going to hell.

[OANST]

That's just it. We don't. There are no cases of people getting fucked up from weed.

[MA]

Salvia is dumb and impractical. Buy beer or Pot instead.

Oh, and everyone farting it up about how smoking pot or salvia is better than alcohol, you're inhaling combusted fucking plant matter, moron. It's fucking terrible for you.

Yes there is. I'm denying it right now. That person either had a chemical imbalance, or was dealing with some serious personal shit. Smoking pot is not going to do that to someone. It may do that to them for the duration of their high, but once that shit wears off, the symptoms are not going to persist.

I still dispute that. I've never heard of or met a single person who that could honestly be said of. It's true that you'll hear plenty of stories that people like to tell, but they're bullshit. This is because people are lying shits.

Except that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that pot could do that. You'd might as well say that it's Jesus' punishment. They are equally sound theories.

i love these posts. i agree with them entirely. nothing more needs to be said really, because its fucking true. i have never taken any drug stronger than alcohol, tobacco and on one occasion, pot, but i have been around harder drugs all my life. i have sat there and watched people ask if they can snort charlie in the kitchen, or hide that golden brown shit. stuff like that is fucking disgusting and is the reason why i don't take them, but as much as i dislike drugs i know that smoking a spliff will not cause a fucking mental breakdown. that's bollocks.

i'm actually really surprised that BM came out with that bullshit. yes, you may have witnessed his degeneration after having some of the stuff, but how can you say that the drug was the main contributing factor? for example, a few years back there was a lad who killed his friend with a claw hammer after playing Manhunt. ofcourse, it was all over the news that the video game had 'made' him carry out the crime. that was certified 18, the person in question was not that age. he shouldn't have been playing it. if a video game can make you go out and kill one of your friends, you need help. its exactly the same sort of thing; just because something terrible happens after doing something directly before hand, doesn't mean that what you were doing is to blame. if i were to read the Beano and read about Dennis killing Gnasher and then kill myself immediately afterwards, does that mean that that comic sent me into a sudden deep depression, ending my life? or was i just unstable?

to be honest i'm sick of hearing people, especially those who have next to no experience in the shit, say "oh i saw someone take some of that once and it made him kill his wife/have a breakdown/rob a bank." its all Chinese whispers.

Actually, substance-induced psychosis is a well-documented condition, and it is known to cause schizophrenic episodes in people with underlying disorders, not all of whom will know that they do. More insidious is the way it can mask symptoms of mental illness (the early pangs of which might have lead to cannabis use in the first place) and prevent people from seeking or being provided with the help they need.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17662880
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15871146

yeah. i actually suffer with severe psychosis and was sectioned for a while. when i was in there i met a bloke who had been taking LSD for a long time, and yeah, he was fucked. the shit he would come out with would be out of this world. i'm not disputing that using a drug heavily won't have its problems, because it does. all drugs have problems. drink too much and you become reliant on it, it rots your liver and your personality can change totally. smoking will get you hooked and increase chances of lung cancer and all that shit. overdo it on marijuana and you can trigger underlying mental issues. we should all know this, but there will always be those who just want to take the piss with how much they want to take.

also, if i were to go out tomorrow and smoke a spliff (not that i would), do you really think i'd suddenly have another psychotic episode? i really, really doubt it. if i were to go and overdo it, then yeah, i don't think that'd be very smart, but just one isn't exactly going to tip me over the edge. those who have serious issues shouldn't be going anywhere near the stuff anyway, it isn't the answer, but that doesn't mean that if they do, it isn't to do with what was going on in their head to begin with.

[Mac Sirloin]

overdo it on marijuana and you can trigger underlying mental issues. we should all know this, but there will always be those who just want to take the piss with how much they want to take.

While I do certainly agree, I would like to repeat that Pot also fucks up your lungs and voicebox if you don't lock it down (which I didn't). My voice is a bit crinklier now. A bit.

But regardless, it still just makes you either a useless lump or cavorting hooligan. Harmless in moderation, just like everything else. (As you pointed out)

[OANST]

There are certainly non-psychological side effects. I'll never dispute that. You're smoking it, and smoking is bad for your body. I'm just saying that pot will not make you lazy or crazy. You have to be predisposed to being those things for that to happen.

[STM]

OANST says it's ok so I'm gunna go do some pot now, yep, because I think he's a mature adult and if he thinks it's ok then it is! Right? Tcha right

[Mac Sirloin]

There are certainly non-psychological side effects. I'll never dispute that. You're smoking it, and smoking is bad for your body. I'm just saying that pot will not make you lazy or crazy. You have to be predisposed to being those things for that to happen.

Luckily, I'm clazy.

[OANST]

OANST says it's ok so I'm gunna go do some pot now, yep, because I think he's a mature adult and if he thinks it's ok then it is! Right? Tcha right

In your case I recommend heroin and Russian Roulette. It's really safe.

[STM]

Wow, that's a low blow!

[MA]

no, it wasn't. you're just not reading our posts properly. no one ever said it was 'okay' to take a drug, we were discussing its effects. all drugs are harmful in one way or another.

[STM]

No silly, he told me to blow my brains out in russian roulette.

[MA]

and you're still not reading posts correctly. i was talking about this:

OANST says it's ok so I'm gunna go do some pot now, yep, because I think he's a mature adult and if he thinks it's ok then it is! Right? Tcha right

i think i need a drink.

[STM]

Yar, the tcha right emphasized the point that I was kidding, I don't intend to smoke weed now nor do I have the intention of smoking weed for another few years

[MA]

and yet again, you missed the point. you were insinuating that we were saying smoking weed has no ill effects. we weren't, and it does.

[STM]

I know, look, irony and sarcasm travels very badly across the internet so I'm giving up now

[Bullet Magnet]

There is now sufficient evidence to warn young people that using cannabis could increase their risk of developing a psychotic illness later in life. That may well be accounted for by people who already have a risk or predisposition, I'm not disputing that. But how many people know whether or not they already are at risk? Even those who do, I'm not saying that they will develop an illness or that if they do that it was predicated by their use of cannabis. I'm not going to stop anyone from trying it, that is their freedom, and perhaps it should be legally recognised. I think that neither the pro-cannabis lobby or the anti-cannabis lobby are reporting the understood risks and effects very well at all, and the environment they create similarly stifles understanding among young people.

Using any drug is a calculated risk, and some are definitely riskier than others. I just want people to actually be able to do those calculations. While sober.

[STM]

Seems a fair conclusion