So 9/11 today.... -

STM · #31 09-12-2010, 04:27 AM

Over here, in England, it's not very big anymore, to me. I feel it was horrible but it had little impact on my life. I was too young really. I remember having a 2 minutes silence in year 4 and having a talk about how we felt about terroists in year three but that's about it. I think I remember crying because of the people jumping out of the windows.

They did the same thing to us on July 7th, I was scared about that but still only 9 or 10, I remember my dad telling me about the bus and the train because he was commuting which scared me a little.

***Nate*** · #32 09-12-2010, 06:26 AM

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I don't recall many non-islamic terrorists blowing themselves up in the past 10 years, and there have been quite a few or attempts since 9/11.

First terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993: Islamic Terrorists
Train bombing in Spain: Islamic terrorists
Shoe bomber in London: Islamic terrorists
Bus bomber in London: Islamic terrorists
Recent makeshift bomb on a flight to Detroit: Islamic terrorist
Constant violence in the middle east, Isreal, all Islamic terrorists
What about all the soldiers who died at the hands of Al-qaida?

Yeah, Islam has just as many terrorists as any other religion. I can see that now, thank you for opening my eyes.

That's quite a conveniently hand-picked list there. What about Timothy McVeigh and his peers? What about ETA? What about all the guerrilla warfare in South America? What about Yigal Amir and the far-right bastard crazy Jewish groups in Israel that go out and attack Palestinians?

I think that maybe you need to sit down and define what you mean by 'Terrorism', because it sounds like you mean 'Violence caused by people wearing teatowels on their head' and nothing more.

Stranger4002 · #33 09-12-2010, 07:46 AM

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While they are clearly not the same as those who do not want to kill everybody, it does no good to deny that they were Muslims. They were. Mohammed Atta and the others (as well as the growing number of Islamist killers and plotters native to the west) represent a real and burgeoning development within Islam, an actualization of one of Islam's possibilities, an indigenous transnational movement of apocalyptic violence that has brought misery to Muslim societies, and to us, and it is not Islamophobic to say so. Quite the contrary: it is to side with Muslims who are struggling against the same poison as we are.

Apologetic definitions of Islam will not avail anybody in this struggle. Like Christianity and Judaism, Islam is a religion of peace and of war, most if not all religions have these tendencies and potentials within them. In 2001, America was not attacked by Islam. Or Jainism, or Seventh-Day Adventism. But it was attack by a handful of Muslims.

I'm not denying they are Muslims; I just don't like to refer to them as Muslims because any loyal and committed Muslim would NOT force their beliefs onto others. The same goes for Christians and Jews. Even though terrorists may follow a certain religion; they are clearly going against what they are taught, therefore I consider them separate from that religion.

Religions may be consisted of both peace and war; but as a follower of that religion, you should be striving for only peace. Thats my view any way.

abe619 · #34 09-12-2010, 07:56 AM

Exactly....
and @nate: the problem is they are considered legal terrorist because nobody can stand up against them...those are the real ppl who force their beliefs, that's what the Fake jews do (yep i am reffering to those damn israeli sons of bitches), they aren't even real jews.
as a muslim myself we believe that jews, christians and muslims are bringers of peace not destruction...
so the ppl who r actually profiting from all of this are those damn secret societies.
EDIT: they dress up like someone, and get them blamed for what happens, like black water, a top secret military organization who is actually responsible for more than 75% percent of all the destruction in iraq.

Havoc · #35 09-12-2010, 08:03 AM

For one I think terrorism got an entirely different definition after 9/11. There's a difference between rebels and 'freedom fighters' who fight for a real cause (free my people, give us money, change the rules, whatever) and religious idiots who want to kill everyone that doesn't agree with their derailed train of thoughts.

I'm speaking specifically about religious extremists here. I don't see christians blowing themselves up in the Middle-East. Islam is the only religion that has a high number of terrorists in it. Christianity has extremists, sure. But they don't kill people on such a grand scale as the Islamic ones do.

Also on a side not I don't think there is a single terrorist organisation out there that killed more people in total than Islamic terrorists did. And Nazi's don't count.

Wings of Fire · #36 09-12-2010, 08:03 AM

Damn Israeli sons of bitches?

Too easy. Way too easy.

Havoc · #37 09-12-2010, 08:08 AM

Explain?

Wings of Fire · #38 09-12-2010, 08:10 AM

I was replying to Abe619's post. It's far too easy to just say 'The Israelis are to blame'. If problems were that easy then the world would be a better place.

Alf Shall Rise · #39 09-12-2010, 08:26 AM

It was pretty creepy for me, I literally live right next to the city that was attacked. I was able to see smoke from afar, since I'm able to see the city normally when looking outside my house. I was only in 1st grade at the time, and my father took me out of school, and I wasn't sure what was going on. Even after the whole situation was explained to me, I don't think I fully comprehended what was happening. But it was creepy, nonetheless.

Pilot · #40 09-12-2010, 10:44 AM

It was just sick how that footage kept rolling on over and over so that watchers would relive every moment.

I was with friends, and we put on "Slow Hand Luke" with Rock Hudson. A Man's Movie.

Bullet Magnet · #41 09-12-2010, 11:05 AM

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That's where the keyword 'most' comes in, now doesn't it? Besides there are a lot of African terrorists who act in the name of Islam. And I believe there are more rebels than terrorists in the other two areas. If people would be blowing themselves up in the middle of a busy mall in South America or East Asia every week I'm pretty sure we'd hear more about it.

While many may well be Muslim, I don't think that comes into it down there. There's such a rich tapestry of false causes in the shittier hell-holes of Africa. Most of them greed.

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I'm not denying they are Muslims; I just don't like to refer to them as Muslims because any loyal and committed Muslim would NOT force their beliefs onto others. The same goes for Christians and Jews. Even though terrorists may follow a certain religion; they are clearly going against what they are taught, therefore I consider them separate from that religion.

Religions may be consisted of both peace and war; but as a follower of that religion, you should be striving for only peace. Thats my view any way.

I think you'll find that those particular individuals are taught to martyr themselves in the name of their faith and god. They may be picking and choosing what parts of their books they take seriously, but then, so do the peaceful ones.

We have no basis to declare one group or another to be the True Scotsmen™

abe619 · #42 09-12-2010, 11:41 AM

i am i the only one here who believes the illuminati are the "Master of Puppets"?

Hazel-Rah · #43 09-12-2010, 11:41 AM

Nine years later and we still don't have Bin Laden, I bet if he owed the IRS money we would've had him the same day of the World Trade Center attacks.

Bullet Magnet · #44 09-12-2010, 12:12 PM

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i am i the only one here who believes the illuminati are the "Master of Puppets"?

I'm in the Illuminati and even I don't believe that.

abe619 · #45 09-12-2010, 12:53 PM

???
isn't illuminati a secret society?

Laser · #46 09-12-2010, 01:04 PM

Yes.

A society which rules the world, secretly.

I've been reading Something Awful at work, especially the 11/9 threads and I have decided to share you some of the 'hilarious images' for this awful day.

Those crazy americans ¬¬

Daxter King · #47 09-12-2010, 01:18 PM

Honestly, get the fuck out of here with that shit.

Stranger4002 · #48 09-12-2010, 01:27 PM

@Laser

The two last images were just bad taste; however, the first actually paints a pretty good image of the impact of 9/11 has had on both America and Iraq.

Hazel-Rah · #49 09-12-2010, 01:53 PM

What the fuck is that shit? I've never seen any bumper stickers that ridiculed Islam before, hating America is the fashionable thing to do in America now.

Man I remember when there was a shooting in the World Trade Center the same week I was in there eating in that sweet ass rotating restaurant.

Wings of Fire · #50 09-12-2010, 02:56 PM

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i am i the only one here who believes the illuminati are the "Master of Puppets"?

I think you're far too impressionable.

Dixanadu · #51 09-12-2010, 04:15 PM

I miss the white Russian terrorists.

Dipstikk · #52 09-12-2010, 07:44 PM

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That's quite a conveniently hand-picked list there. What about Timothy McVeigh and his peers? What about ETA? What about all the guerrilla warfare in South America? What about Yigal Amir and the far-right bastard crazy Jewish groups in Israel that go out and attack Palestinians?

I think that maybe you need to sit down and define what you mean by 'Terrorism', because it sounds like you mean 'Violence caused by people wearing teatowels on their head' and nothing more.

Nate, you and I need to secks right now.

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Also on a side not I don't think there is a single terrorist organisation out there that killed more people in total than Islamic terrorists did. And Nazi's don't count.

"Yeah, the group that totally invalidates my point doesn't count."

Ha, cute.

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i am i the only one here who believes the illuminati are the "Master of Puppets"?

Led by Robotnik.

Nemo · #53 09-12-2010, 08:20 PM

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For one I think terrorism got an entirely different definition after 9/11.

A terrorist is a person who uses fear as a means to convince people that they are right.

That's what it was and is.

Havoc · #54 09-12-2010, 10:36 PM

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"Yeah, the group that totally invalidates my point doesn't count."

Ha, cute.

Nazi's don't fit the term terrorists because they were publicly elected by the people of Germany to run the country. Hitler was a dictator at most, not a terrorist.

However, if you must, if Hitler was a terrorist then so was Bush.

Nemo · #55 09-12-2010, 10:45 PM

Hitler wasn't a terrorist because he didn't use fear, he used ovens.

He was an ovenist.

Strike Witch · #56 09-13-2010, 01:27 AM

Of course Hitler used fear, dumbass.

Krystalnacht and all that.

***Nate*** · #57 09-13-2010, 06:09 AM

Havoc's clearly never heard of the Cossacks or pogroms or blood libels.

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and @nate: the problem is they are considered legal terrorist because nobody can stand up against them...those are the real ppl who force their beliefs, that's what the Fake jews do (yep i am reffering to those damn israeli sons of bitches), they aren't even real jews.

Please explain what you mean by 'Real Jews' and 'Fake Jews'.

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i am i the only one here who believes the illuminati are the "Master of Puppets"?

If there really was a secret society that runs the world, you wouldn't know it. The sheer fact that you've heard of the Illuminati proves that they're a myth.

Mac Sirloin · #58 09-13-2010, 06:36 AM

Havoc you are so iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiignorant it doesn't heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp any of your pointssssssssssssss.

STM · #59 09-13-2010, 09:37 AM

What about that guy with the new world order and the lizard governments and all that, maybe that writer was on to something?

Bullet Magnet · #60 09-13-2010, 12:36 PM

David Icke? He was eaten by a crocodile.