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OddjobAbe · #31 06-14-2009, 12:58 PM

Am I the only one here that didn't care for "Saw"? I didn't mind the first one much, but the rest just felt like "let's go eat pop corn while we watch people get sliced to bits" films to me, despite the not-so-simple plot.

used:) · #32 06-14-2009, 01:05 PM

First one was good. Didn't keep my interest long enough for the next eight sequels. Yes, there are actually going to be nine films total in the saga.

Moar liek SAWGA, amirite?

OddjobAbe · #33 06-14-2009, 01:08 PM

It feels like it's over-stayed it's welcome already.

ArtemisPanthar · #34 06-14-2009, 01:11 PM

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Am I the only one here that didn't care for "Saw"? I didn't mind the first one much, but the rest just felt like "let's go eat pop corn while we watch people get sliced to bits" films to me, despite the not-so-simple plot.

I liked the first two. I love horror in general and Saw is good for excessive gore without being too vapid. I've disliked pretty much all the movies after two, however, they've been trying to make some big complex plot but in the end its just a confusing mess that thinks it means something. Although I may just be bitter since IV and V confused the fuck out of me by having the good guy and the bad guy look practically identical.

Of course, American Psycho > Saw for wanton gore.

MA · #35 06-14-2009, 01:11 PM

i think Saw was alright, but the ones after were verging on being like Hostel, which i thought was ridiculously graphic and disturbing. just a film about torture.

its like watching a snuff movie in some scenes, and personally i find it disgusting. its a bit much, even for an 18 year old (which it is certified). older horror films can induce the same feel without having to show so much detail.

OddjobAbe · #36 06-14-2009, 01:13 PM

See the old "Texas Chain Saw Massacre" for a great example of what MA's on about. Chances are, you've already seen it. I've already mentioned Leatherface in this thread. Fucking terrifying. Gunnar Hansen was the best.
The Jason films were so ridiculous that they were just funny.

MA · #37 06-14-2009, 01:19 PM

Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a golden oldie, one of my favourites. but the scene where the bloke in the wheelchair throws a tantrum still makes me laugh to this day, i showed it to my mate and he cracked up as well.

the Friday the 13th series was terrible, just classic slashers. but i liked Jason Vs Freddy, just because it was interesting to see the two fight it out.

Slog Bait · #38 06-14-2009, 01:22 PM

I thought Darth Maul was pretty kickass. Too bad he was only in The Phatom Menace.

Also the grasshoppers from A Bug's Life, though I'm not sure why.

ArtemisPanthar · #39 06-14-2009, 01:23 PM

I hated Hostel. Like, alot. I thought it was pure crap and got incredibly tired of the horror community fellating Eli Roth over it. I completely agree on your points, newer horror tends to put too much emphasis on gore as if by itself it is scary. Its not.
I also hated Last House on the Left (the original, never seen the remake) because I found it too gratuitous and just plain -not scary-. Bah.

Slower, subtle horrors are much better than most of the recent slag. But none of them really fit in this topic as they tend to not have an actual villian. I suppose "The Bad Seed"'s Rhoda kind of counts.

OddjobAbe · #40 06-14-2009, 01:23 PM

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Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a golden oldie, one of my favourites. but the scene where the bloke in the wheelchair throws a tantrum still makes me laugh to this day, i showed it to my mate and he cracked up as well.

the Friday the 13th series was terrible, just classic slashers. but i liked Jason Vs Freddy, just because it was interesting to see the two fight it out.

I really enjoy the Jason films when I'm inebriated. Otherwise, I get real bored.

The thing about the Chain Saw Massacre was that you could feel the pain that the actors were going through to make it. It's a disturbing concept too, all the more disturbing in that Gein (the fellow that it was very loosely based on) was almost as bad as Leatherface and his family.

I've seen both Last House on the Left films. They're both incredibly naff. I saw no enjoyment in watching a film about a girl who gets raped, and then some criminals who get murdered. It was no fun at all.

I can't decide if "Teeth" was meant to be funny or scary or both. It was just weird.

And Slog Bait, whilst the Phantom Menace wasn't a patch on the old ones, Darth Maul was excellent.

Wings of Fire · #41 06-14-2009, 01:25 PM

Lady Eboshi.

And if we're including TV serieses; Treize Kushrenada.

MA · #42 06-14-2009, 01:27 PM

yeah, Ed Gein. thats were they got the idea for Leatherface to wear peoples skin. i watched the film with Bill Bailey introducing it. all bloody true.

EDIT: what film was Lady Eboshi in?

Wings of Fire · #43 06-14-2009, 01:30 PM

Princess Mononoke.

ArtemisPanthar · #44 06-14-2009, 01:30 PM

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The thing about the Chain Saw Massacre was that you could feel the pain that the actors were going through to make it. It's a disturbing concept too, all the more disturbing in that Gein (the fellow that it was very loosely based on) was almost as bad as Leatherface and his family.

Oh, Gein is quite terrifying but never well represented. Leatherface, Norman Bates, and Buffalo Bill were all inspired by Gein, Bates probably being the closest in concept/personality. I think the primary aspect of Gein used in Texas Chainsaw Massacre is that he decorated his house with things made from human body parts.

OddjobAbe · #45 06-14-2009, 01:33 PM

I was reading that even the human bones in that film were real. It was cheaper to import bones of the deceased from India rather than get prosthetic bones. I can't find the source, though.

joshkrz · #46 06-14-2009, 01:34 PM

I liked the third CSM. The other two were just funny as hell.

MA · #47 06-14-2009, 01:36 PM

i'd have to agree with you there Slog Bait (about the grasshoppers). i think the leader was voiced by Kevin Spacey, unless i'm mistaken.

the part where he kills the other grasshopper with all those seeds as an example of how dangerous ants can be was quite good. i reckon they were inspired by the baseball bat scene in The Untouchables with Robert Deniro.

OddjobAbe · #48 06-14-2009, 01:36 PM

The third one I thought was shit. The remakes weren't great, but they were watchable. I hated the second one with a passion. The first was as terrifying as it is funny. Leatherface's eldest brother seemed like a real nutjob. I think in a way, he was crazier than the hitchhiker brother.

ArtemisPanthar · #49 06-14-2009, 01:37 PM

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I was reading that even the human bones in that film were real. It was cheaper to import bones of the deceased from India rather than get prosthetic bones. I can't find the source, though.

Damn. I know that Poltergeist used real human bones during that whole sinkhole scene. Interestingly enough, TCM and Poltergeist had the same director

OddjobAbe · #50 06-14-2009, 01:40 PM

By the way, I have to mention the Texas Chain Saw Massacre's "dance" sequence at the end. That made the film. Just shows how crazy Leatherface is, which is the main reason he's one of my favorite villains.

Wings of Fire · #51 06-14-2009, 01:40 PM

Oh and Eric from Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera lite. I am such a huge Eric fanboy.

And now Scar and Frolo from Disney's Lion King and Hunchback also come to mind.

MA · #52 06-14-2009, 01:48 PM

that dance at the end was fucking class A. they had to get a professional in to do it if i remember rightly. i may be wrong.

OddjobAbe · #53 06-14-2009, 01:52 PM

I'm pretty sure that Hansen did it himself. I'd have to look it up, though. I too may be wrong. HA! Me? Wrong?

MA · #54 06-14-2009, 01:57 PM

if he did then fucking credit to him. he has balls.
although he may have lost them if he had done it wrong.

Mac Sirloin · #55 06-14-2009, 02:10 PM

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Am I the only one here that didn't care for "Saw"? I didn't mind the first one much, but the rest just felt like "let's go eat pop corn while we watch people get sliced to bits" films to me, despite the not-so-simple plot.

I don't like any of them. They're not horrible but I got so sick of the plot.

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The thing about the Chain Saw Massacre was that you could feel the pain that the actors were going through to make it.

The Dinner/Breakfast scene took roughly 30 hours straight to film, and some of the food went rancid halfway through shooting. Some of the food was actually wax, too, and it melted. Gunnar had to remain in costume for the whole thing.

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Lady Eboshi.

She was a pretty sympathetic villain, though. She just want about it all wrong.

Wings of Fire · #56 06-14-2009, 02:23 PM

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She was a pretty sympathetic villain, though. She just want about it all wrong.

She was a three dimensional villain, which is why she tops my list.
Plus in the villager's flashback halfway through I could totally imagine the Imperial March playing with her walking through the flames.
If we were going for complete monsters though I'm not sure. Most of the villainous villains I know of, the ones who put the greatest show on for evil, are so past the moral event horizon that I can't find them 'cool' anymore.

A couple that do stand out, however, are Mr Croup and Mr Vandamar from Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere.

Mac Sirloin · #57 06-14-2009, 02:33 PM

I'd have to agree with everyone mentioning Robotnik. I don't read them, but I read that there was an issue of one of the comics that delved pretty deeply into Robotnik still being a brilliant tactician and scientist.

used:) · #58 06-14-2009, 02:35 PM

Eggman = fail. He looks like Kamajii for God's sake!

OddjobAbe · #59 06-14-2009, 02:59 PM

Who gives a flying shit? He has machines that can blow things up. That is a definite win in my book.

used:) · #60 06-14-2009, 03:17 PM

You know who also had flying machines that could blow things up? Hitler. I bet you feel great now, Nazi.