What about Squeek??? -

Arxryl · #31 11-17-2006, 10:20 PM

I don't know. I meant like have a background conversation include the word "Squeek" or somehting like that maybe. Like having it not be plot progessing at all, just a kind of sneak peek or somehting. Like in Monsters inc. when "Boo" shows sully the little doll of Jessy the cow girl form toy story 2.

***Nate*** · #32 11-17-2006, 11:19 PM

The difference being that Toy Story 2 came out before Monster's Inc so the audience could get that reference.

In any case, it would be nigh on impossible to refer to something from the Oddworld mythos in CS without it glaringly standing out because they are such different universes.

***Wil*** · #33 11-18-2006, 03:12 AM

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Hm... do you think they might sneak him in as an easter egg into one of their upcoming movies?

Maybe they’ll try to sneak him into their third Oddworld film.

p.s. Actually, since the fans have largely all heard of Squeek, it wouldn’t necessarily go unnoticed. For the wider audience, when Squeek is finally revealed, they could go back to earlier OWI films and spot the reference and feel all warm and fuzzy for OWI having such foresight.

Zerox · #34 11-18-2006, 03:41 AM

This all partly depends on how far production with Squeek went in the first place. I don't know myself, but he's either been scrapped, put to the side or plans are currently 'ready' or something.
An obscure refernce could be included...maybe they figure their fans would maybe hazard a guess at it.

Cullen Heath · #35 11-18-2006, 08:44 AM

Also a character who is on another planet. I don't think it would be a great idea, and as Nate said, we haven't even seen Squeek, so we would have no idea even if we saw him... unless he looks completely like an Oddworld character, which is probably the case...

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Who, there is a second page to this... sorry.

toxicity · #36 11-18-2006, 04:30 PM

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Lorne isn't the only person. Sherry McKenna definitely knows who Squeek is, and what his story is. After all, Squeek was the first character Lorne presented her with. I'm fairly sure a few key Oddworld Inhabitants, both past and (diminished) present have also been clued in, Paul O'Connor for sure.

Alcar...

I was trying to be mysterious.

Jordan · #37 11-27-2006, 10:41 PM

I don't see Squeek's Oddysee being made, to me it wouldn't fit a 3D engine, as it sounds like a small game. But if it is made, maybe you go up in the food chain and be as high as the Glukkons?

***Wil*** · #38 11-27-2006, 11:54 PM

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I don't see Squeek's Oddysee being made, to me it wouldn't fit a 3D engine, as it sounds like a small game.

In what way?

***Nate*** · #39 11-28-2006, 01:29 AM

Because Squeek must be small, with a name like that.

Just like Tiny McGraw*.

*In the interests of Max-Love I must point out that Tiny is not necessarily related to Meagly McGraw and is probably just his bodyguard. In the interest of being a smartarse, I must point out that it was probably Max who created that misconception.

Jordan · #40 11-28-2006, 08:01 AM

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In what way?

Well, because squeek is a small character and it might be hard to make a big game with him, but it still could be done in some way or another.
But this is my opinion and it probably won't be correct.

694377 · #41 11-28-2006, 12:45 PM

i was looking forward to seeing Squeeks Oddysee but it was canceled. If you look on Wikipedia, and type in Oddworld i should come up with Canceled and Unreleased games, one of them is Squeek.

Jordan · #42 11-28-2006, 12:49 PM

Welcome to the forum, 694377! What's with the wacky name lol?
Maybe Oddworld will someday release a collection of unreleased games on one game cd/future game data holder! That would be pretty cool actually.

Zebulon · #43 11-28-2006, 12:55 PM

could´nt squeek perhaps be the octopus aka sekto? that would be a cool plot. how he got there, how he became this world-hating greedy capitalist. Squeeks involved with symbiosis, so is the octopus.

snuzi · #44 11-29-2006, 07:48 AM

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could´nt squeek perhaps be the octopus aka sekto? that would be a cool plot. how he got there, how he became this world-hating greedy capitalist. Squeeks involved with symbiosis, so is the octopus.

I highly doubt it seeing as how Sekto was an Ocitigi and Squeek will supposedly be an entirely new Oddworld creature. Besides, it wouldn't make sense since Squeek is supposed to be close to the bottom of the food chain, while Sekto was pretty much at the very top of it.

***Wil*** · #45 11-29-2006, 10:59 AM

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Squeek was intended to be a member of a species low on the food chain.

Wait a second, where does this come from? I’m not familiar with it. Are you sure someone hasn’t just taken the phrase ‘hanging out at the bottom of the food chain’ a little too literally? It has been used to describe both Abe and Munch in the sense that they are average schmucks in overwhleming circumstances, not that they’re primary consumers or anything like that.

snuzi · #46 11-29-2006, 11:59 AM

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Wait a second, where does this come from? Iâ€™m not familiar with it. Are you sure someone hasnâ€™t just taken the phrase â€˜hanging out at the bottom of the food chainâ€™ a little too literally? It has been used to describe both Abe and Munch in the sense that they are average schmucks in overwhleming circumstances, not that theyâ€™re primary consumers or anything like that.

Couldn't it work both ways though? I mean, they were both in a world where the odds were against them, plus they were both a food source for the Industrialists. The same thing goes for Stranger, although his species was hunted for sport instead of eaten. I believe that if Squeek's Oddysee does indeed come to exist someday, that Squeek will both face the same problems as Abe and Munch as well as be one of the creatures either eaten or hunted down by the industrialists.

Slaveless · #47 11-29-2006, 04:44 PM

I think that you got it all wrong. Abe and Munch are not on the bottom of the food chain, but in the middle. They are referred to as weak characters, since the enemies they face either are powerful hunters or people that kill them for sport. Weak doesn't mean 'bottom of the food chain'.

OK, I will explain the food chain concept. On a food chain, there are animals (humans are animals too you know) that are connected to each other by their consuming related activities. When an animal is lower on the food chain than they are of another one, they are considered prey if they are connected. That means the one higher requires them as food. Now let's look at Mudokon food chain, hmm? Pretty much every Mudokon requires some meat, so they are in the middle, since they too are hunted. Gabbits' are similar. They feast on Worryfish, but are hunted down by Searexes. So none of them are on the bottom.

Bullet Magnet · #48 11-29-2006, 05:07 PM

Only primary producers are at the bottom. Those that can create biological compounds that store energy with energy from inorganic sources. Plants, for instance. Autotrophs.

snuzi · #49 11-29-2006, 05:14 PM

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I think that you got it all wrong. Abe and Munch are not on the bottom of the food chain, but in the middle. They are referred to as weak characters, since the enemies they face either are powerful hunters or people that kill them for sport. Weak doesn't mean 'bottom of the food chain'.

OK, I will explain the food chain concept. On a food chain, there are animals (humans are animals too you know) that are connected to each other by their consuming related activities. When an animal is lower on the food chain than they are of another one, they are considered prey if they are connected. That means the one higher requires them as food. Now let's look at Mudokon food chain, hmm? Pretty much every Mudokon requires some meat, so they are in the middle, since they too are hunted. Gabbits' are similar. They feast on Worryfish, but are hunted down by Searexes. So none of them are on the bottom.

Notice, I never said Abe and Munch were at the very bottom of the food chain. That wouldn't make any sense at all, seeing as how plants are always at the bottom. I was merely saying that they are viewed as being pretty low on there by the Industrialists. To them it doesn't matter if they're primary, secondary, or tertiary consumers. As long as they can kill them and take the meat, or use them as trophies, it doesn't matter where they lie on the food chain, because they will always be below them.

Also, weakness does indeed have to do with being at the bottom of the food chain. The weakest are killed and eaten while the strongest consume and survive. That's how food chains come to exist in the first place: the strong devour the weak.

Bullet Magnet · #50 11-29-2006, 05:21 PM

Um... the predators adapted to hunt a particular prey hunt that prey. That very same prey organism is adapted to hunt or graze from it's own food source, as well as escape the predators that try to eat them. They're not weaker, far from it.

snuzi · #51 11-29-2006, 05:30 PM

The particular prey that the predator eats is weaker than the predator. If the prey was on the same level as the predator, or stronger, it would get away or eat the predator. It all comes down to survival of the fittest: the weak die and the strong survive.

***Wil*** · #52 11-30-2006, 12:18 AM

We don’t need to discuss œcology here. The confusion is as to whether Lorne is speaking literally or figuratively:

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Munch is similar to Abe in that he is also hanging at the bottom of the food chain.

I favour the interpretation that Abe and Munch are both screwed by the industrial races; yet I’ve never heard this description being applied to Squeek. Obviously it’s true, figuratively, because that’s who the Oddworld Quintology heroes are, but I can’t think of what source is being taken literally.

Zebulon · #53 11-30-2006, 01:24 PM

well, sooner or later, an oddysee about a industrialist must make entrance.

Jordan · #54 12-01-2006, 07:06 AM

Yay, 400th post!
It would be wicked to be a Glukkon and boss everyone about, earning moolah, going to meetings. "Oddworld: The Life of a Glokstar" That would be a cool game!

panuru · #55 12-07-2006, 12:06 PM

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It would be wicked to be a Glukkon and boss everyone about, earning moolah, going to meetings. "Oddworld: The Life of a Glokstar" That would be a cool game!

Didn't we already do all of that in Abe's Exoddus and Munch's Oddysee?

***Wil*** · #56 12-07-2006, 03:39 PM

We did, but as the player we never got to follow the daily lives of the Glukkons. We just used them to get past each puzzle. An earlier plan for Munch’s Oddysee did involve taking control of Lulu for extended periods and using him to run a series of factories, and this same mechanic would have been used in Hand of Odd.

Taytay · #57 12-08-2006, 10:41 AM

I remember being on the website that said about the new games but I forgot what the link was so if anybody has a link, may I please use it?

Also.
Oddworld quit making games, is that true?

I am very excited to see the new movies if theyve converted to that. Though they would have been better off if the movies were oddworld related.
Squeek, I have so much ideas and little hopes for the game...if they make it. I wonder. It seemed liek it would have been a kick booty game.
Rawr, so did they quit making games?

***Wil*** · #58 12-08-2006, 02:17 PM

Yes, but they haven’t stopped designing games.

Taytay · #59 12-09-2006, 05:23 PM

So, the don't make games...but they design them?
So they come up with the ideas and other game companies make them?
Is that how it is?

erwinraaben55 · #60 12-10-2006, 03:28 AM

Yup, that's how it is gonna be.