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Yes. Yes you are a nerd indeed. But in a good way. Or at least a helpful kind of nerd. And the microraptor, wasn't that the creature found in China about a year/2 years ago? I remember hearing about that. And about the Mudokon-bird thing, Mudokons supposedly have very light, hollow bones, much like birds. Forget where I found that out, but it was somewhere on the forums.
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Well... there are a few other reasons that are seen to support that mudokons are related to birds. One is the repeating bird motifs, particularly in the first two games, with the bird portals and Abe's bird thing, how when he died a lot of birds flew away. Second is the natural language of the Mudokons, a set of whistles.
But, that is a good point. I'll mention them in large and hairless.
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Mudukon - feathers?!!?. Are those feathers on native mudukons not from other animals? Mudukons are very indian inspired (those who live in America not in India) and indians took some feathers to symbolize thier status. And i have maked this new title for arthropodal vertabrates (meetles, scrabs, paramites? etc.): arthropodaformes. Although a classification name ending with "formes" is used as order names in the reptile and aves (bird) class the arthropodaformes are a class. From "The first of equals".
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Nope, the head feathers are natural I think. On Oddworld.com, in the 'Oddworld universe' section, it has a bit about Native Mudokons and mentions head-feathers, I can't remember what it says but I think it says that the feathers are theirs.
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arthropodiformes... that's a very good idea. I was going to mention the way those creatures' legs are splayed out sideways like insect. Or lizards, I suppose. I still think that many of the "insects" are vertebrates, would they be included? We have to have more discussoin on the relations and evolution of these species before we can even vegin to classify them correctly. After all, scientists are always arguing and reclassifying animals even now.

I do propose a new and major class (on par with reptile and mammal etc). Although I say that all Oddworld creatures should be classified on a separate (but twinned) system to Earth's, we need a new, different class. Scrabs, paramites, mudokon, essentaially all the classic ones have features in common. They are hairless, vertebrates, and have bright and varies colours. You'd be hard pressed to find anything on Earth outside of fish and birds that have these pigmentations, as there are not that many natural pigments out there. Cirtainly there's no green on land, aside from some chlorophylls, so Oddworld's inhabitants are unidue to have these coloured skins.

I also wonder whether Chippunks and Stunks should be included in with fuzzles in the cephaloformes order (if that's the name we agree on). I would go with "celephalopod" meaning "head-foot" but it's taken by suid and such molluscs.

There's also the issue with metamorphism. Meetles do it, but what about the other creatures? Maybe some of the ammos and upgraded ammos do, but they all seem to me to be the same or different species. What do you think?

There's also the problem with super species. Mudokons, sligs, glukkons, (outlaws?) and others. Are they therefore closely related? Bees, ants and wasps are, but termites are more closely related to cockroaches, and are far more "primitive".
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Perhaps we should categorise them in different, obvious ways, such as the kind of skeleton they have, and the amount of limbs. So it follows:

Classification by skeleton (Copied and pasted shamelessly from my previous list)
Endoskeletal (Skeleton on the inside - anchors muscles)
Fuzzle
Chippunk
Ratz
Bats
Meep
Skunks
Boombats
Sleg
Slog
Steef
Outlaw
Wolvarks
Sligs
Vykkers
Interns
Grubbs
Scrab
Paramite
Mudokon
Elum
Birds
Clackerz
Gabbits
Glukkon
Gloktogi
Searex

Exoskeletal
Bees (Only because of the name, I'm afraid)
Bolamite
Thudslug
Stingbees
Zappflies
Mugs/Meetles (The baby meetles appear to have any rigid shape at all - thus my reasoning)
Fireflies(Again, only because of the name)

Skeletonless
Octigi
Slurgs


Clasification by limbs (Arms and legs)
No limbs
Fuzzle
Slurg
Fleech
Zappfly

One limb
Ratz
Meep

Two limbs
Chippunk
Skunk
Boombats
Sligs
Slegs
Slogs
Gloktigi

Three limbs
Gabbits

Four limbs
Outlaw
Wolvarks
Interns
Grubbs
Scrabs
Paramites
Mudokons
Elums
Clackerz
Glukkons
Bolamites
Stingbees
Thudslug
Octigi

Six limbs
Steef

Seven limbs
Vykker


Whilst writing this, it occured to me that Fleeches are specified to be a Vykker creation, and so would not technicaly fit into the group "Systema oddworld natura" at all.

Looks to me that boombats, skunks, chippunks and fuzzles should all be put into the same group. They all have small or non-existant limbs, except the boombat, and only two of each, except, once again, the boombats. There may be three ways to explain this - one is that the concept pictures, clearly depicting a boombat with two wings and two small feet, have been discounted(Because you don't see these feet in the game), the second is that the wings are the things ears, and the third is that the boombat has four limbs. Could be any of them. Then there are the monopods, the ratz and meep, that could both be put into their own group also.

I don't understand what you're talking about with the super species thing. Mudokons, Sligs, and Glukkons are all different species. Have a look at this
http://www.oddworldlibrary.net/togg/...=CAMO0079.jpg3
, once again from Xav's website. There we see the title - family Octigi, with a Gloktigi, an Otigi, and a Guckon. Not being able to actualy test individual species, a fair ammount of guessing will be involved. Posibly, if the glukkon is taken out, then it could be renamed genus Octigi, giving an octigi the scientific name of Octigi Octigi, and the Gloktigi a scientific name of Octigi Gloktigi. But, a Glukkon does not look to be in the same genus. The problem here is that terms like "Superspecies" don't have a context to work in - yet. We need to establish a form of scientific classification and present it, before we start talking about it.
Hey - I'm running along in tangents.
Please note, I'm in no way a biologist, but I am interested in the classification of the life of Oddworld.
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What I meant was that in the same way bess, ants and wasps share a common ancestor and are in the same family or order or whatever, that maybe the same was true of muds, gluks and sligs.

I did a mock-up of a tree of life. Its pretty bare. I got stumped on the insect bit. I'm sure some are vertebrates, and others aren't, so are these different insectoids unrelated? Did they independantly evolve an endoskeleton? Did the others perhaps lose theirs in favour of just an exoskeleton?
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To Seargentbig, you're syaing that a Glukkon isn't in the Octigi genus, but its in the Octigi Family? Remember the actual suitless glukkon's appearance its almost like a stunted Gloktigi, and has legs instead of tentacles. So I'd class it under the Octigi, as [/i]Octigi Glukkon[/i] or a more scientific word than Glukkon, if you can think of one.
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Woo indeed. You called me a nerd.

Okay, I think that no Oddworld taxa should have the same name as Earth ones because they are not related as such. So for mammalian creatures we now have: Simammalia, combining similar and mammalia.

Also, because they are vertebrates and fuzles must be in this class, I now have the term "unvertebratae" for animals who have lost their spine through evolution. Where exactly to put it I am as yet unsure.

For those who do not entirely understand taxonomy, I'll outline it here. Schools currently teach the five Kingdom approach, but I prefer the three Domains version.

This is the Linnaean system, Systema Natura, created by the man remembered in the latin form of his name: Carolus Linnaeus. All the names in it are latin. He originally intended the system to be used for all natural things, from cloud formations to rocks, but it didn't catch on. Linnaeus was a man rather obsessed with sex, and to one clam species named various innocent parts "vulva", "labia", "pubes", "anus", and "hymen". Botanists, to their eternal dismay, discovered that he would use such classifications as "Clitoria" and "Fornicata". He also left space for various fantastic and mythological creatures, such as Homo Caudatus, "man with a tail".

It starts off with Living Things. There are two varieties: Earth and Oddworld. On Earth there are then three domains: Bacteria, Archaea and Eukarya. These are divided into a total of 23 Kingdoms. I won't list them all, but it is it Eukarya that you'll find the three multicellular Kingdoms:Plantae, Fungi and Animalia. Incidently, although Archaeans are entirely different from Bacteria, and older, there are only 175 known modern species, in 7 Kingdoms.

Kingdoms are split into Phyla (singular phylum). In animals, examples include Chordata, realm of vertebrates and chordates, and Arthropodia, of insects, arachnids and so on. Then there are Classes. Mammalia, Amphibia, Aves (birds) are classes in Chordata (actually in the sub-phylum Vertebrata). The there are Orders, eg Primates; Families, eg hominidae; genus (plural genera), eg Homo; and species, eg sapiens. Some taxonomists use other sub-divisions between these: tribe, sub-order, infraorder, parvorder and more, making a right mess. I hope this clears things up for those who are unsure about the way we intend to do this.
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The scary thing is, I've just done today in Biology mroe or less exactly what you just talked about-The 5 Kingdoms stuff, so I know understand this much much better. And if we have the Octigi genus, what order is it? And what would the other genuses be for the others? I'd class Scrabs and Meeches under the same Order, possibly the same genus, as they appear distantly related in some way (4 limbs each, although a Scrab's are more Horse-like (all for walking), whereas a Meech's are more T-Rex-like (2 for walking, 2 seemingly vestigial limbs), also Meeches have 4 jaws as opposed to 2). I'd possibly include Fleeches to it, for the 4 jaws reason given above by...someone. (Forgotten who)
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Sometimes "in-between taxa" are needed. There are loads in Dinosauria, in fact, Dinosauria is an in between taxa itself. But with the Oddworld tree of life so bare right now we probably don't have to worry.
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The arthropodaformes are a vertebratal class with animals that are much like insects, arachnids, centi and milli pedes, and crustaceans like meetles/mugs (are in fact more arachnids or maybe even crustacean than insecta because of thier 8 legs) and skirits (the flying "insect" on the M.O. intro) all the insect like animal that have a vertebral column shall be reffered to as "arthropodaformes(c)". I have thinked of cephalodae(c) as a family in the mammalian order "carnivora" but if you think it shall be upgraded to an order and renamed to "cephaloformes" are it allright.
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Let me have a go at what I know of, I'm quite good at bioligy. Lets see here...

Invertabra=molluscs:
Fleeches (they may be genetically created, but some basis would have to have come from somewhere, and that would probably be molluscs.)
Slurgs (wait...if Fleeches have [presumably] not been around long, and Slurgs only feed on Fleech offal, how the hell quick did these things evolve!? Or maybe previously they fed on Scrab poop, or something. Do Scrabs even poop? Ah, hell, I'm just rabbiting on now)

Invertabra=insects:
Meetles

Vertabrates=carnivora:
Scrabs (still have some small teeth)
Meeches ('shell' formed from vertabra growth, much like a tortoise, and also like a tortoise, presumably coated with a leathery layer. If not, put them in "arthropodaformes" if you wish, I suppose)
Paramites (the 'nails' would probably be derived from teeth. Think of sawfish, and you're not far off)
Fuzzles (They probably have some small bones somewhere, at least a small bit necassary for the jaws and eye sockets. They [possibly] do have some vertabra left, and a small vestagial tail [internal] which they may flick hard against the ground to jump, or more softly but rapidly many times to move forward. If not, they still came from vertabrate origins and still have bones of a sort, making them either vertabrates or a seperate group linked to vertabrates, having bones but no vertabra)
Slogs (well DUH)
Slegs (see above)
{Note on above two- may be same species, but vastly moderated, like the domestic dog, which is generally [I think] classified as a single but vastly altering species. The same is presumed with these two ugly creatures (in the Slegs case, absolutely hideous)}
Steef (appear to have sharp fangs, a obviously vertabrates. The case may be argued that these belong in the 'higher up/intelligent' vertabrate group, but only Stranger seems to be an intelligent one, the other pics I've seen seem more wild.

Vertabra=herbivora (or whatever, I don't think thats really a proper group):
Elum (seems ungulate possibly, with only lower teeth [possibly, as they stick out like a goats, top jaw is a pad based on that theory] at the front of the jaw, the horns would have been there anyway [all ungulates have horns. Or most then. Whichever] and the feet "could" reevolve, possibly. They're more suitable to the enviornmet than hooves, as the Elum needs more grip, particularly in Paramonia and the presumed forest natural home.)
Meep (another more ungulate 'ungulate' being, obviously, very similar to sheep. But again, the feet)

Vertabra=higher life forms/intelligent:
Mudokons (seems unlikely they evolved from birds. paws, to wings, to paws again. And accurate paws too, rather than more malformed or different based ones that developed through evolution. Then again, bird portals. Birds that look suspicously ike doves. Doves from EARTH OMG CONSPIRACY)

Glukkons (arms and vestagial legs, as well as a chest with ribs eg. not molluscs, as some people thought. Heads ARE very octopussy though, even the ears look like the siphons. Probably where OI got part of the design from. But still vertabrates)
Steef (if thats your view as opposed to what I said earlier. They DO also have developed arms and hands, a trait among more intelligent creatures that are smart enough to make use of them)
Grubbs
Gabbits (possibly, communicating through clicks/whistles isn't classified as intelligent speak in quite the same sense. Ever think of dolphins? Intelligent, but not classed as 'high' as humans. Not that humans should really be 'higher' than anything. Vain gits. Mostly, anyway)
Vykkers (vertabrate because of skull and defined, muscled limbs set on bone, and can speak english etc. and are intelligent enough to be cruel purposefully to other creatures.
Interns (see Vykker)

Other, with comments on possible ideas:
Sligs (Presumably herbiverous by 'natural' nature, with no sharp teeth. Or any teeth, for that matter ruining that idea. Unless it has teeth further back in its very modifed jaw [eg. anteater]. Maybe insectivores? Um...mollusc eating insectivores? [read=slurg]. Obviously vertabrates, possibly even classed as 'intelligent' as they can speak english or whatever, and have hands and arms)
Most of species in SW (All presumably higher vertabrates, but I don';t know as much about them, plus I don't really want to list them all individually either)
Khanzumerz (not enough known about them, but since they are at the top of the food chain [I head this somewhere or what not] and are being sold products by the Glukkons, I daresay that they'd be classed as intelligent or 'higher' life forms. But we still don't know enough about them. Just an educated guess :P)

Thats the end of that, I think. I haven't listed Stranger's ammo (apart from Fuzzles, but they were in Munch's Oddysee) because they are mostly only really created as ammo, and in a way it seems doubtful that some would survive in the wild. Also, I often thought that Oddworld may have Earthly origins somehow, as for one the creatures basis is simialr, with muscle, flesh, organs, hands/limbs similar on whole. Also, some creatures appear to be direct descendants (read: Chipfurzles, Stunks and Clakkerz. Oh, and Stingerbee's and 'normal' bee's, presumably almost exactly the same as Earth's bee's. Also, the plants are pretty much the same as Earth's, maybe a little different as an adaptation to the slightly varying habitat. Wood, etc., buildings and all that. Oh, and Moolah. The 'Causer of Corruption!' etc.
In relation to above, how about 'Head-head' for Fuzzles etc.? Just kidding! Um...you may be able to get away with 'Foot-head'. How about something like 'Limbless-head'?
Maybe some oddworld creatures fitting here (read: most) is a new group I thought should exist, since I think, based on their nature, that the dinosaurs were warm-blooded, yet reptilian, veryfying them as a different class of creature. Various stems from this group would contain Scrabs, Mudokons and suchlike creatures, as they seem reptilian (scaleless reptilian, but warm blooded) in a sense of the manner, so they would wither be in the same or a related group in some way. Dinosaurs are classed somewhere between Reptiles, Mammals, and Birds. Or Birds and Mammals. Birds DID evolve after Mammals (I think), so that would 'technically' make birds more advanced than reptiles. Dinosaurs also seem simialr to Mammals. Maybe Mammls/Dinosaurs groups a stemming form a similar area between Birds and Reptiles? Meh, whatever. Nice idea with the new groups. I'd have to use a translator for the names properly, and it may mess the name up. I don't really know too much there off by heart, I'm only in Year 9. I presume I'll get taught more of these more technical name's later on in Upper School, if not 6th form/University.

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How do you think about making scrabs and meeches belong to the same order that i will call: "Quadro-pod-arthropo-form (c) (four-legged-arthropodformes). And how about the family for scrabs and maybe meeches should be known as: "(latin word for fast) revolutionodae (c)" and it is not revolutions that is when the people overthrow the goverment but the revolutions that mean rotation because scrabs and maybe meeches can rotate so fast.
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Glukkons are of the octigi or gloktigi family. No squid or octopus have spines.
I don't know why you say Glukkons have spines.
It sure looks like they have it, but they might just be muscular ivertibrates.

Sekto surtenly miss a spine, because he's just a head with arms, just like
normal octopuses. Sekto is of the same family as the Glukkons, so maby
they are invertibrates too.
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Glukkons have rib cages, surely you noticed that? Glukkons also have vestagial legs. And they have jaws/mouth, rather than a horny beak thing.

I think Meech's would be in a different family to Scrabs, as Meeches have six limbs, 4 being vestigial (unless possiblky used for clinging to tree trunks, as in my thread description of its possible behaviour ["Zerox's wildlife on odd show!" PS: Not a real show]).
One thing I don't agree with is that alot of the way you're going, each Oddworld species will all end up in a different family, and then there'll be a whole ton of them. Maybe the family's ought to be less distinct..? But then again, the diversity of the currently known species would sorta mean they all have to in seperate groups, so it gets awkward, doesn't it?
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I think putting Scrabs and Meeches in the same order is a good idea. Slogs and Slegs are obviously in the same Order/genus (I've forgotten which is closer related). Glukkons, Glocktigi, Octigi 1.0 and Octigi 2.0 I'd put all under the Octigi order, and put the 2 versions of Octigi in the same genus. Then we can try and classify Sligs, Gabbits, Vvkkers, Mudokons and Interns, amongst other things.
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I still think Glukkons are vertabrates. Wait, let me get a picture and lets have a close examination of it...
To me, it looks liek there's a rib cage, as well as human-like limbs and hands etc. like a human eg. vertabrate. I don't think the fact its head looks like an octopus should classify it as a mollusc. If your that desperate, make a new group of 'octopus-like vertabrates' and latinise it or whatever you do. :P
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That bug in the MO intro looks just like a tiny meetle.

Be careful with this Octigi/Glukkon stuff. On Earth there are alot of variation within superspecies, so much so that they look like different species. Perhaps Octigi, Glocktigi and Glukkons are all the same species. Or not. I don't think we'll come to any definitive answer until we see the inside of the Hall of Larvae at Nolybab.

Oh, and cephalopod means "head foot" as I have said. It would be good for things like fuzzles, but remember- that term has already been used for octopus and squid.
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Hall of Larvae at Nolybab what the hell now? Never heard of it. Seriously. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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According to the Oddworld Encyclopedia, The Hall of Larvae is where Lady Margaret, Glukkon Queen, lays her eggs, at least until she was put on life support. The Hall is at Nolybab, I assume it's the Glukkon capital, as it is Babylon backwards.
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Babylon rogues from Sonic Riders *shot*
So, what exactly is the real Babylon? Italian empire thing, or what/which?
Once again I ask, as I did earlier, where can I find this Oddworld Encyclopedia, and is it official, or made up by a fan?
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Octigi 1.0 and 2.0 are both the same - it's Sekto, but in one he's without a host, and in the other he has one.
Just thought I'd add that.
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Um...what now? Who's Sekto again?
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Sekto's the big bad from SW.

And the encyclopedia was made by Zav and Max and others, using as much official data as possible.

Babylon was a great city, a coupla thousand years ago. Can't tell ya much more'n that.
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That answers alot, thanks. Um...no more news at the moment, is there? Or is anything really happening?
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anyway, I'd like to point out that all the content of the encyclopaedia has been written by Max...
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Oh, you partly made that site, did you? It'd be nice to see some more info on Slegs, apart from their appearence. Some pics would be nice too, but that's just me.
Aside from that, has everyone here just died, or what? Because I was interested in this. But there's not much more we can do, is there at the moment?
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None whatsoever. Though I am good at Biology, averaging an A in A-level (tough it all comes down to my next exams in June). I hope to take Marine Biology at University, but that's not important. Ahem.

I like to read alot, and almost all of my latin and taxonomy skills come from dinosaur names. For intance, Echino means "spiny" and dactyl meeans "hand". Though as my names where in "Kode", Oddworld's equivalent of latin, I put in words from every where I could. Some were latin: canis, compsognathus, maritimus (actually the species name for Polar Bears). Simpatcus comes from the Spanish "simpatico" meaning friendly, and robo is polish for slave, where we get "robot" from. Many of them were completely made up.

Incidently, my moto is in latin. Ita erat quando hic adveni, which means "It was like that when I got here!" It's got me out of a few sticky situations, I can tell you. But I won't.

For more on taxonomy and evolutionary theory, see my post in the thread "there should be meeches in the games".

Once again I must face up to the truth: I am a nerd.

PS: Are mudokons really bird like? The only bird like quality they have are the feathers, but birds aren't the only animals to have had them. The theropod dinosaurs did. All the big names: Tyrannosaurus rex, Velociraptor, Gallimimus, Compsognathus, all feathered. I draw your attention to the recently discovered Microraptor, a small feathered dinosaur eqiped with four wings, long flight feathers clearly preserved in the fossil, emerging from all four limbs. Now, Oddworld is pretty wierd, I don't see why mudokons could have independantly evolved feathers as displays, especially if birds could have evolved indepentantly of Earth birds, and Clakkers to have opposable feathers on their wings. After all, the long feathers on the arms of dinosaurs that would become wings first evolved as mating displays, according to current theory, and then became a way of steering when running, chasing prey.
Warmth is also a current theory
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Well, I didn't think the 'feathers' on Mudokons looked very feather like at all. Feathers normally have lots of little hairs coming from a main 'stem' (don't know proper terms at current), but Mudokons headwear looks more like...maybe bags of skin or somthing? Or succulent leaves from Oddworld's odd plant life seems most likely in my opinion, at the moment. Or maybe a sort of skin or leather that's been stuffed in a sort of tube with leaves etc. to from the structure. This is of course, presuming they haven't grown naturally, as Mudokons seem able to change their style very abruptly.
I thought alot that Dinosaurs from a seperate group, like reptiles but warm blooded instead. The feathers, since they're damaged and less accuate as fossils, may be quite different from birds feathers, and evolved seperately to solve a similar problem, eg. convergent evolution (which means two unrelated creatures evolve similar designs to solve the same problems completely indpendant of one another)
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