So... Hurricane Katrina -

used:) · #31 09-04-2005, 07:39 PM

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The whole hurricane thing sucked. New Orleans was a beautiful town. So much history, quite literally, down the drain.

Looting and whatnot sucks too. A testament to humanity, indeed.

Better as hell not be the Karma thing again. However, the POW abuse in Iraq deserves justification.

Facsimile · #32 09-05-2005, 02:56 AM

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[I]Well, surely only the ill people had reason to stay behind and the Black/poor were just being lazy f*ckwits? If they had days to leave, then they could've at least made an effort to get to safety.

Did you ever think that they couldn't afford to leave? All the public transport was taken, and even if they had a car, they were backed up everywhere. You could then argue they could have ran to safety or whatever, but since these places get warnings to evacuate every year when the hurricanes come and nothing much happens, it's easy to see why they thought 'Oh, it'll be alright'.

Dino · #33 09-05-2005, 07:48 AM

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The point is, we've known for so long, that New Orleans is a trouble spot. If a major hurricane is headed in that direction, relief should have been in place before hand. It shoudn't have taken as many days as it did, and they've admitted it themselves.

It's what happens after such a disaster, that I expect a higher level of competence and protection. The president doesn't even know what the hell's going on, though that's pretty much expected these days. After what happened on 9/11, you'd expect them to be better prepared for a large scale disaster, but it doesn't look like they've learned anything.

There were a lot of people that, for whatever reason were unable to evacuate (the poor, the ill, etc.). It does however suck that there were those stubborn morons, with the means to leave, yet did not. You have to realise that a lot of these people have children, who are not guilty of anything, they don't deserve to be left behind to die.

I agree that perhaps more could've been done before hand to prepare for the worst. But I don't really think you can compare 9/11 to a hurricane. They're completely different things, the latter being a HUGE strain on help and rescue services. If new york had been hit by a hurricane on 9/11, then the situation would've been far worse - a disaster area of 1km squared compared with a disaster area of 100s of km squared.

I find it interesting though that people are saying New Orleans is now effectively a dead city, and will remain abandoned forever. Anyone heard any more on this? Cause right now I'm sceptical at best.

SeaRex · #34 09-05-2005, 09:38 AM

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I find it interesting though that people are saying New Orleans is now effectively a dead city, and will remain abandoned forever. Anyone heard any more on this? Cause right now I'm sceptical at best.

I haven't heard anything about it being abandoned entirely... but I suppose I can see why some people wouldn't want to go back. They're will always be those who want to rebuild their homes, though. I can't imagine that there won't be at least a handful of people that will want to reclaim their former lives.

Regardless, if a city is built over the ruins of New Orleans, even if it is still called New Orleans, all of the historic architecture will still be lost. Suck.

CheeseOfGlory · #35 09-05-2005, 10:04 AM

The entire area is caked with raw sewage, rotting food and corpses, and chemical spills. It will cost in the hundreds of billions to make the place habitable and sanitary. Most of the people who lived there were poor anyway, now that everything is gone they have no real reason to return and probably wouldn't want to if given the chance. In my opinion New Orleans is dead, and its a horrible waste to rebuild it in the same way (they could at least move it a bit above sea level)

MojoMan220 · #36 09-05-2005, 10:45 AM

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I don't really think you can compare 9/11 to a hurricane.

Yeah, I know, but I did anyway.

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I find it interesting though that people are saying New Orleans is now effectively a dead city, and will remain abandoned forever. Anyone heard any more on this? Cause right now I'm sceptical at best.

Right now there are less then a thousand people in the city (I think). The estimate I've heard is 9 months (until the city can be reinhabited), but it's probably too soon for those kinds of figures.

Jacob · #37 09-05-2005, 11:55 AM

'Better as hell not be the Karma thing again. However, the POW abuse in Iraq deserves justification.'

Don't be Gay. If anything this is Karma for America being so f*cked up when it comes to pollution, it has nothing to do with the Browns. Hell, if anything, the Browns had some Karma kicking the sh*t out of them for being so vile and vindictive to women.

'Did you ever think that they couldn't afford to leave?'

Yes. But they're poor. So i don't care. They still could've walked. Regardless, who the Hell builds a city near water? With only enough Hurricane protection to protect against Mark 3 Hurricanes.

Hobo · #38 09-05-2005, 01:08 PM

Let's face it. God is punishing the evil ones!

Well you're all going to burn in hell for using a computer too!

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Shrink · #39 09-05-2005, 01:32 PM

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Don't be Gay. If anything this is Karma for America being so f*cked up when it comes to pollution, it has nothing to do with the Browns. Hell, if anything, the Browns had some Karma kicking the sh*t out of them for being so vile and vindictive to women.

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However, the POW abuse in Iraq deserves justification.

Individuals are affected by Karma, not entire countries, nations or peoples. Karma doesn't tend to affect people in life - it affects your next life.
So, a better way to put it would be that they are getting comeuppance for being 'bad' in their previous lives. Individually.
Naturally, Karma doesn't effect every event that happens in the world. Some are just chance.

used:) · #40 09-05-2005, 01:52 PM

I see. That was sort of what I meant. I mean the innocents who died in Iraq. Either way, I believe whenever something bad happens, something equally good happens too.

Dino · #41 09-05-2005, 02:43 PM

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Individuals are affected by Karma, not entire countries, nations or peoples. Karma doesn't tend to affect people in life - it affects your next life.
So, a better way to put it would be that they are getting comeuppance for being 'bad' in their previous lives. Individually.
Naturally, Karma doesn't effect every event that happens in the world. Some are just chance.

Thank christ you had the patience to explain.

Jacob · #42 09-05-2005, 03:18 PM

'Individuals are affected by Karma, not entire countries, nations or peoples. Karma doesn't tend to affect people in life - it affects your next life.'

You already stated this. I chose to ignore it. This is why -

1) I believe in what goes around comes around. I've seen it happen/it's happened to me. Regardless of whether it's Karma or not. I say it is Karma. It's a more efficient explanation anyway.

2) Yes, it may not effect entire countries. But i'm over that. You should be, too.

Shrink · #43 09-05-2005, 03:42 PM

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You already stated this.

Sorry, I completely forgot. I know I have always wanted to explain it when I've seen such discussions, but I've assumed I could never previously be arsed.

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Regardless of whether it's Karma or not. I say it is Karma. It's a more efficient explanation anyway.

I was obviously under the false impression that we use real definitions of words, and not false ones that everybody is assumed to know.

Dino · #44 09-05-2005, 04:57 PM

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I was obviously under the false impression that we use real definitions of words, and not false ones that everybody is assumed to know.

Yeah, the number of times I've thought that and it came around and bit me in the ass... christ. That's one of my pet peeves - the way I'm supposed to just "know" about all these words and how they're commonly misused

Jacob · #45 09-05-2005, 08:00 PM

'I was obviously under the false impression that we use real definitions of words, and not false ones that everybody is assumed to know.'

Oh yes, i agree, but your version is long-winded. Whereas mine is to the point. F*ck somebody over and prepared to get f*cked over royally yourself.

One could argue that nobody knows what Karma is, so why Bullsh*t about it being one way and not the other.

America - laughs and dances with joy over Hiroshima.
America - gets laughed at and danced with joy at when 9/11 happens.
Random brown - beats his wife.
Random brown - gets beaten and forced to sex his cell mate.

There're probably more incidences of Karma swinging back around like a Boomarang razor blade noted down in history. But i'm apathetic and hate you all too much to search.

soulstice · #46 09-06-2005, 06:34 AM

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Regardless, if a city is built over the ruins of New Orleans, even if it is still called New Orleans, all of the historic architecture will still be lost. Suck.

Well, basically you have to remember that London and Dresden were extremely historic and completely flattened by bombs and whatnot during World War Two. Now if you walk down any street in the 'Square Mile' of London or down a street in Dresden, the architecture has been restored to extremely high standards, and looks extremely similar to before. Maybe the original architecture is lost, but it can be restored, so don't worry about the buildings that have been destroyed, I'm sure a lot of them will be restored to their former state.

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One could argue that nobody knows what Karma is, so why Bullsh*t about it being one way and not the other.

I agree. We can't really fully interpret the true meanings of things like Karma etc...

SeaRex · #47 09-06-2005, 08:30 AM

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Well, basically you have to remember that London and Dresden were extremely historic and completely flattened by bombs and whatnot during World War Two. Now if you walk down any street in the 'Square Mile' of London or down a street in Dresden, the architecture has been restored to extremely high standards, and looks extremely similar to before. Maybe the original architecture is lost, but it can be restored, so don't worry about the buildings that have been destroyed, I'm sure a lot of them will be restored to their former state.

Good point.

New Orleans was constantly in a state of renovation anyway; it blows that a lot of the progress that the renovation crews made over the years was lost because of Katrina.

CheeseOfGlory · #48 09-06-2005, 04:35 PM

Don't forget Warsaw, my dad still had to pay a tax for the reconstruction of the old city when he left Poland

Coolmanbizkit · #49 09-07-2005, 02:02 PM

The mayor of New Orleans has told the police out there to use force to get the survivors that dont want to evacuate out of New Orleans.

Majic · #50 09-07-2005, 02:50 PM

It's for their own safety. The amount of chemicals, sweage, disease, etc... is a major health risk. Letting the people stay, even if they're aware of the danger, will cause further problems later on. They're bound to get sick, adding to the already huge medical toll, not to mention the time it'll take man hours that will be lost on them instead of the clean up effort.

Jacob · #51 09-07-2005, 04:24 PM

I don't see why they can't just warn them, then leave them. If they want to move away, then okily, help. But if they want to stay, let them stay. I'm sure the Police have more important things to do rather than help the people who don't want help.

Leto · #52 09-07-2005, 09:26 PM

The words 'Hurricane Katrina' makes me think Hare Krishna.

Oh yeah, floods. They iz no niec. I can hardly see why some people are staying in Nyorleens by choice.

soulstice · #53 09-08-2005, 07:20 AM

Hurricane Katrina > Hare Krishna. LOL.

Jacob · #54 09-08-2005, 09:36 AM

Apparently Quentin Tarantino is going to do a film adaptation of the tragedy.

He's going to call it 'Resevoir Wogs'.

*Runs away sniggering*

Hobo · #55 09-08-2005, 10:04 AM

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Apparently Quentin Tarantino is going to do a film adaptation of the tragedy.

He's going to call it 'Resevoir Wogs'.

*Runs away sniggering*

BAD BAD JACOB

*snickers too*

Kimon · #56 09-08-2005, 05:38 PM

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Oh yeah, floods. They iz no niec. I can hardly see why some people are staying in Nyorleens by choice.

Indeed.

It seems to be very stupid when viewed by the people who aren't affected, but I'm sure they must have reasons. Maybe they love their homes too much, maybe they think this whole thing'll clear up quickly, or maybe it's too late to get out. Only those folks can know for sure.

*sigh*

AquaticAmbi · #57 09-08-2005, 05:44 PM

I think some are staying because they can't take their pets with them, which I completely understand. I'd be so devastated if I had to leave any of mine.

Kimon · #58 09-08-2005, 05:53 PM

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I think some are staying because they can't take their pets with them, which I completely understand. I'd be so devastated if I had to leave any of mine.

Ah, yes. This is true. But if they had the means to get out, as Super Munch suggested, isn't it possible that they could bring the pets with them? Or is there some weird health code thing stating that dogs must be left behind?

Jacob · #59 09-08-2005, 08:55 PM

In all honesty, i respected America a bit more when i saw that some Americans were going back and saving some animals.

I thought that was truly nice.

soulstice · #60 09-09-2005, 12:31 AM

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Apparently Quentin Tarantino is going to do a film adaptation of the tragedy.

He's going to call it 'Resevoir Wogs'.

*Runs away sniggering*

I haven't heard the word 'wog' in a long, long time.