And I bet we won't even ban him...

[Hobo]

I'm still waiting for someone to join who absolutely despises Oddworld, and just comes here to bother us fans.

I'm waiting for it so I can tear him apart verbally. No, wait. So we can ALL tear him apart verbally.

Um...

*whistles and walks off*

[Dino]

Heh, how long have you been dying to make this thread, Dino?

Well, let me put this to you so you can see it from my point of view.

I like being on this forum, hanging out with the peeps, debating shit, you know, just talking stuff over and it's all cool. And, you know what they say about where you hang out right? That it respresents who you are? Well it's like that for me, I consider a forum to be part of my identity... whether that identity is internet only or RL and internet.

That's why I get fed up when I see that I'm part of a forum that has so many idiots on it, and is so lax on the rules that any old halfwit troll can take us for a ride by imitating the other idiots. It doesn't look good on me, you know what I'm saying? But I still love this place, so I can't just leave - my only other option is to just try to get something done about it. I kinda predicted the outcome of this right from the beginning, but I feel I've raised an important point. Not one about how we treat ignorant newbies (although I think we should be a little less complacent about that), but how we set a precedent for dealing with trolls masquerading as ignorant newbies. I don't want us to look like we're so gullible that we'll fall for that shit every time. Because if we look gullible, that's just like a homing becon for more trolls to come and make us look lame and feel lame.

Can you see where I'm coming from here? (and don't say the loony bin, that isn't funny)

[AquaticAmbi]

I will admit that is one of the most logical reasonings you've said, Dino. HOWEVER (yes, a very big however), I don't believe for a second that any sincerity exists in that post. Someone who would ever say things about this forum in a post like this. What I'm talking about starts around the middle to the end.

In fact, you state that you like neither us nor Oddworld. You are the member that Dipstikk has been waiting for.

And even if you use your anger/frustration as a justification for what you said in that post, I would never want someone who would let their emotions take such control over him to be entrusted with mod powers.

[Dipstikk]

In fact, you state that like neither us nor Oddworld. You are the member that Dipstikk has been waiting for.

Disclaimer: Her words, not mine.

[Dino]

Ambi, if you're refusing to see things from my point of view, then that's your problem, not mine. All it does is gives you very little credibility when commenting on my motives.

I've tried to explain things and you're still finding excuses to carry on causing me grief, so it obviously isn't worth continuing. All I'm going to say is that if I didn't like this place, then I certainly wouldn't stay to put up with your shit. I've said and done things that I've regretted, some because of other people, and some because of me simply making mistakes. Nobody is perfect, not even moderators, because behind that title sits a human being, who is just as fallable as I am - the only thing we can do to make the situation better is to learn from our mistakes - and I'm not about to make this thread another situation that I have to learn from.

The topic of this thread is how we discern and treat trolls masquerading as ignorant newbies, and is not a discussion about my motives for posting this thread. I'm not about to prioritise defending my namesake over improving the state of this forum, so can we please all try to stay on track?

[Alcar]

If we elect a new Super Moderator, it'll be done via the Employee Lounge - only because I'm finding it difficult to decide who would be the best person to do the job (and that's before even discussing it with Abe Babe, as I'm sure she'd have some problems deciding too). Another OT Mod sounds good. In fact, I'm going to remove all the inactive Moderators and replace them (or not, if there is no need). We've been far too lenient with many Moderators.

Prepare for some elections sometime soon. Nag me on MSN if they're not here within a week or two. Or better yet, try to get me to do them this Friday - I'd like my School Holidays (finally!) to be free of drama, etc, etc.

Alcar...

[Rich]

Super Mod = Hobo.

Mod elections, yay. Sounds fun, who exactly are you going to axe to make room for the new peeps?

In fact, you state that like neither us nor Oddworld.

Not strictly true, I think he likes some of us.

[Hobo]

Super Mod = Hobo.

He has a good point...

And the OT mod position sounds like my bag too..

Infact, move over Peter.

[Rex Tirano]

Charlie, can I be your bizzatch*?

A supermod would have to be someone like Xav, Al or Maxy [if and when he comes back] because they've been here for years and are level headed and respected.

And a new OT mod *coughs*

*a mod's bizzatch is like a mod but with more bizzatchness

- Rexeh

[Dino]

If we elect a new Super Moderator, it'll be done via the Employee Lounge - only because I'm finding it difficult to decide who would be the best person to do the job (and that's before even discussing it with Abe Babe, as I'm sure she'd have some problems deciding too). Another OT Mod sounds good. In fact, I'm going to remove all the inactive Moderators and replace them (or not, if there is no need). We've been far too lenient with many Moderators.

Prepare for some elections sometime soon. Nag me on MSN if they're not here within a week or two. Or better yet, try to get me to do them this Friday - I'd like my School Holidays (finally!) to be free of drama, etc, etc.

Alcar...

Why is this suddenly a discussion about moderators again?

Are you testing me or something? Why is there so much mention of moderators around me?

[AquaticAmbi]

I believe we're discussing new Mod elections as a solution to the problem(s) which is/are the subject of this thread. The elections of new will help reduce the number of undesired new members and old in some cases. I think it's the best thing we can do right now.

Ambi, if you're refusing to see things from my point of view, then that's your problem, not mine. All it does is gives you very little credibility when commenting on my motives.

I've tried to explain things and you're still finding excuses to carry on causing me grief, so it obviously isn't worth continuing. All I'm going to say is that if I didn't like this place, then I certainly wouldn't stay to put up with your shit. I've said and done things that I've regretted, some because of other people, and some because of me simply making mistakes. Nobody is perfect, not even moderators, because behind that title sits a human being, who is just as fallable as I am - the only thing we can do to make the situation better is to learn from our mistakes - and I'm not about to make this thread another situation that I have to learn from.

The topic of this thread is how we discern and treat trolls masquerading as ignorant newbies, and is not a discussion about my motives for posting this thread. I'm not about to prioritise defending my namesake over improving the state of this forum, so can we please all try to stay on track?

(Since I'm already replying to this thread, I'll go ahead and reply to this too. And also because you've attempted to make me appear incredible. PM me if you have anything else to say to me.)

I clearly stated I can see things from the specific point of view you talked about earlier, but I don't believe that's your sincere point of view towards the forums. I think you have underlying motives to be honest. Maybe you do, maybe you don't... Either way, you've had too many mixed feelings about the forums for me and a few others that I know of to feel comfortable with your having a position of power here.

Again, I did understand that point of view. As a matter of fact, it's quite like my own. I care for this place and want it to look decent and full of intellectuals, but I don't want it to look like a place where we chase away members who make a mistake or two with torches and stones.

You do make an excellent point about mistakes. Everyone makes them, and all should be given a few fair chances to make up for them and given time to get acquainted with the rules and peacefully settle in, unless the degree of mistakes is completely unforgivable and/or he or she is apparently what you call a "troll".

Edit: I mean gosh, Alcar, stop trying to test Dino.

[Dave]

I debated for a while about whether or not to post this ... and ultimately decided on "What the hell."
I wanna say first that I'm not trying to make any enemies, piss anyone off, or take sides... I'm making an observation.

Nobody is perfect, not even moderators, because behind that title sits a human being, who is just as fallable as I am

I know he isn't a mod, but does this rule of fallibility apply to Conker Rocket?
Sure, you'll probably barrage me with everything you've said about protecting the level of quality in these forums from trolls with nothing better to do ... but does that justify calling another human being, who is just as fallible as you, a troll who wants lisence to act like a moron. And you assume that he, if he were truly a nine-year-old, would be a collector of yu-gi-oh cards, typing in txt-spk, and improperly using (or completely omitting) commas.
I appreciate that you are looking out for OWF's image, even if only to make sure you look good via association to the forums, and I agree with you on this point. I don't feel that inexperienced people who tend to waste the time of serious forumers should be allowed to impede upon a forum's high standards. Make a forum especially for newbies or something. Whatever.
But you need to realize the very real chance that Conker may well be nine years old and afraid to come to a forum he might well have joined to talk with fellow Oddworld enthusiasts because everyone wants to ban him for being him. I'm not saying this is definate, but there is always the possibilty.
This turned out to be a longer post than I originally planned ... but I stick by it. If someone wants to argue and show me why I'm wrong, I will read intently and either rephrase or withdraw my statement.

[Dino]

I believe we're discussing new Mod elections as a solution to the problem(s) which is/are the subject of this thread. The elections of new will help reduce the number of undesired new members and old in some cases. I think it's the best thing we can do right now.

Then I ask you; what good does a new moderator do if he isn't really allowed to use his better judgement to work out who is and isn't a troll? If I was made a moderator tomorrow, I would do my duties by the book, no question about that, but probably the largest problem that we get at OWF is the one that the mods aren't really allowed to deal with properly, so really me doing my duties wouldn't solve the problem that my job requires me to deal with.

And also because you've attempted to make me appear incredible.

And you've not been doing the same to me?

Using your "suspicions" as a license and justification for causing me all kinds of grief. Calling me mawk, codek, whatever, when you offer no proof at all except for "you're so similar". Saying I have underlying motives, and basically insinuating that I'm lying, without ANY proof whatsoever - all discrediting me and the validity of what I'm saying, so that you can further your argument and unknown causes.

I think you have underlying motives to be honest.

Really? Good, that's nice. Nobody cares. Write it all down on a conspiracy theory website if you want. Just stop using your stupid unproveable hunches/gut feelings as an excuse to go offtopic with the specific intent of discrediting my efforts to help out. I'm god damn tired of it. I'd just for once like to not have everything I do questioned as though I'm a suspect for a murder case. I don't understand what it is you even want - why are you telling me that you think that I have underlying motives? What do you want me to do about it? What good do you think bringing up this shit does?

Maybe you do, maybe you don't... Either way, you've had too many mixed feelings about the forums for me and a few others that I know of to feel comfortable with your having a position of power here.

Aside from the fact that I have no idea where you got the idea that I would be in a position of power...

Yes, you and hobo. Funny how it's always the same people. The one period of time that I fucking hated this place was the time when you and hobo made it a miserable place for me to be, and your sole justification for doing that was based on an unproven and unprovable rumour.

I'd say that out of all the people on the forum, it's the people who do things like that who I would least trust as a moderator.

Again, I did understand that point of view. As a matter of fact, it's quite like my own. I care for this place and want it to look decent and full of intellectuals, but I don't want it to look like a place where we chase away members who make a mistake or two with torches and stones.

Conker_Rocket made a "mistake or two" did he? Funny because the last time I checked, your boyfriend is actually getting totally fed up with him and Alpha's shit. And Alpha has 800+ posts, so he should know better. You make a good attempt to discredit me by making me look overly harsh and elitist, but to be honest when you consider that SeaRex (and SO many other people) is just as fed up as I am, I believe it puts your motives for discrediting me in question.

As well as your motives for accusing me of lying, using a duplicate account, and having ulterior motives for making this thread.

And I said I wouldn't even continue to argue with you... tsk tsk, guess I should learn to not make statements like that unless I'm sure I can keep to them. Oh well, my first paragraph continues the topic of the thread at least.

[AquaticAmbi]

I go "rwar" at you. I was NEVER one of the people who accused you of being mawk/codek/whoever. You need to stop accusing me of doing things I didn't do.

I mentioned the uncomfortableness with you being in a position of power because I know you're wanting to be an OT mod. A gut feeling is a gut feeling. Nothing more, I know. But nevertheless, I get power-hungry vibes from you.

As for Conker_Rocket, I was not talking about him in the part you quoted me on. How convenient for you to have left out the part where I said, "...unless the degree of mistakes is completely unforgivable and he or she is apparently what you call a 'troll'." That part is in reference to Conker_Rocket. There shouldn't have been need for further explanation on that.

[Dino]

I go "rwar" at you. I was NEVER one of the people who accused you of being mawk/codek/whoever. You need to stop accusing me of doing things I didn't do.

Maybe I get "you're codek" vibes off of you? Or perhaps it's just the fact that you said that if I'm not codek, you'd apologise on behalf of the people who believe that I'm codek - why else would you apologise on behalf of a group of people if you don't feel that you're part of that group? You can't really apologise on behalf of a mindset that you don't subscribe to. That would be like me apologising on behalf of George Bush for going to war with Iraq.

I mentioned the uncomfortableness with you being in a position of power because I know you're wanting to be an OT mod. A gut feeling is a gut feeling. Nothing more, I know. But nevertheless, I get power-hungry vibes from you.

I am not wanting to be an OT mod. I'm not aiming for any positions of power, and I do not actively intend to run for moderator. Your gut feeling is NOT a goddamn reason to pester me about how you're so uncomfortable with the idea that I might end up as a moderator. It doesn't belong in this thread, and even if it did there's little point in bringing it up. If you don't want me to be a moderator, then simply don't vote for me. No need to bitch in public about it because frankly you're not convincing enough to sway anyone's opinion, if that's what you're trying to do.

As for Conker_Rocket, I was not talking about him in the part you quoted me on. How convenient for you to have left out the part where I said, "...unless the degree of mistakes is completely unforgivable and he or she is apparently what you call a 'troll'." That part is in reference to Conker_Rocket. There shouldn't have been need for further explanation on that.

I wasn't saying that you intended that part to be about Conker_Rocket, I was simply saying that it was misplaced and/or superflous, because it did not apply to anything in this thread. Nobody is talking about being harsh on newbies who make the odd mistake here and there, so there was no need to even mention such a thing.

Now, how about you show us all how much of a better person you are by continuing this in PM?

Or is your public image still at risk?

[Alcar]

I believe people are missin the point here: Ambi is one of the coolest chics we have here, along with my partner in crime, Rexy.

Alcar...

[T-nex]

I believe people are missin the point here: Ambi is one of the coolest chics we have here, along with my partner in crime, Rexy.

Alcar...

What does that have to do with the topic?

Damn but this topic really is confusing.
Anyways, I think C_R has settled down now. He aint making pointless topics anymore. Well, I don't remember who said it, and I'm too lazy to check. But i really agree, that we should wait banning the member or whatver, untill he/she is not a newbie anymore.

[SeaRex]

Funny because the last time I checked, your boyfriend is actually getting totally fed up with him and Alpha's shit.

Don't do that.

The fact that we're in a relationship in real life has nothing to do with her or my opinion on the matter, so don't go around throwing the whole "boyfriend" thing in her face.

Pretty please.

[Rex Tirano]

I believe people are missin the point here: Ambi is one of the coolest chics we have here, along with my partner in crime, Rexy.

Alcar...

Don't make me blush

Yes, you and hobo.

Not just them two. There are several other people on this forum, including me. I don't think you have an ulteria motive, or anything like that, it's just I don't think you'd be a very productive moderator. However, that's a totally different subject...

As for Conker_Rocket. Several days after this thread is posted he seems to have stopped with the topics and threads. I don't think he's an issue anymore.

I still don't think we should verbally abuse newbies, but I think a tougher approach to "trolls" is in order.

And as for a person who really hates Oddworld. Ages ago [I mean along long time ago] someone joined called "Odd sucks Cock". Needless to say they were automatically banned.

- Rexy

[Hobo]

I believe people are missin the point here: Ambi is one of the coolest chics we have here, along with my partner in crime, Rexy.

Alcar...

Yet you forget to stand up for me.

Um oh yeah... *sucks up*

I love you peter. Come to my love shack...

[Rich]

I love this topic. Everyone for president!

[Voodoo Hand]

Last time i was around these forums Dino was so pissed he was leaving and never comming back. Guess that did not last long.
Now i see this.

Are you testing me or something? Why is there so much mention of moderators around me?

Could some one please explain to me how this issue about new mods revolves around Dino?

Then i see this,

I am not wanting to be an OT mod. I'm not aiming for any positions of power, and I do not actively intend to run for moderator. Your gut feeling is NOT a goddamn reason to pester me about how you're so uncomfortable with the idea that I might end up as a moderator. It doesn't belong in this thread, and even if it did there's little point in bringing it up. If you don't want me to be a moderator, then simply don't vote for me. No need to bitch in public about it because frankly you're not convincing enough to sway anyone's opinion, if that's what you're trying to do.

See, i don`t understand how someone who is not interested in being a MOD,
and not actively running for a MOD position, could end up being elected to said position.
Why would we vote for a person who is not running?

Oh, and by the by Sport, she IS convincing enough. Anyone who has fallowed
the developments from the " Konnichi Wa" post to the present ,does not need to be convinced of anything.
( not sure, but think Konnichiwa is one word)
Also found this exchange ,on 5/16/05, interesting.

So no, no I'm not 'mawk'.

You so are.

And this thread is pointless now. We have two other threads which basically say the same thing.

Alcar...

Gee, don`t know what to make of that.

[Dino]

See, i don`t understand how someone who is not interested in being a MOD,
and not actively running for a MOD position, could end up being elected to said position.
Why would we vote for a person who is not running?

Oh god damnit, yes you caught me, I'm actually running for moderator in stealth mode, concealing my intentions as I go along, and issuing a series of subliminal messages designed to cause you to vote for me. And I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

[AquaticAmbi]

I believe people are missin the point here: Ambi is one of the coolest chics we have here, along with my partner in crime, Rexy.

*Blushes along with Rexy* Aww, thankies, Uncle Alcy.

Anywho, as I said in our PMs, Dino, I do wish some of the things we said were public since they tied into my giving people who made early mistakes second chances thing. You've said that you're trying to change, and I guess it is a little hypocritical of me to continue the bringing up of "old" stuff--even though it was a mere month ago.

I forgot to mention how much you confuse me, giving me mixed feelings and such. Sometimes I think your a pretty fun and okay guy...

Other times, you just make me want to scream, "Go back to Bedrock!"

[Dino]

*Blushes along with Rexy* Aww, thankies, Uncle Alcy.

Anywho, as I said in our PMs, Dino, I do wish some of the things we said were public since they tied into my giving people who made early mistakes second chances thing. You've said that you're trying to change, and I guess it is a little hypocritical of me to continue the bringing up of "old" stuff--even though it was a mere month ago.

I forgot to mention how much you confuse me, giving me mixed feelings and such. Sometimes I think your a pretty fun and okay guy...

Other times, you just make me want to scream, "Go back to Bedrock!"

Yeah well, hopefully that won't happen any more. I don't know why I'm always so pissed off... it's not really like me. It's just being here that does it I think. Anyway I'm going to try to change that and be less cynical, pessimistic, and angry. From now on, I'm going to be so laid back that they'll have to suspend my keyboard from the ceiling.

[Esus]

Looks like I was away while whatshisname roamed free.


I would make a great moderator - make me one and you'll just adore me.

[Dino]

Ô_ó

No.

Let's close this thread.

[Rich]

I can see a ton of people on here with great potential to be moderators.

[Dipstikk]

You know, I may just try this Mod gig. It might be cool.

Death to spammers! *thrusts staff in the air*

[Leto]

Everyone thinks you're a mod anyway.. Well, the newbies.

I second the notion of Mod elections. If it was a notion.