Marijuana and Philosophy -

TheRaisin · #31 01-21-2005, 06:39 PM

Stupid how? Oh wait I see your point. Okay stupid yes, contradictory no.

Restaurants are public places. They have smoking sections and non-smoking sections. See?

My point is I don't care if people smoke, I just think they shouldn't be protected by the law in their decision to expose other people to their noxious horrible effing fumes.

There. With a little tweaking, it's perfect.

Disgruntled Intern · #32 01-21-2005, 07:30 PM

"I don't even care if they do it in public"

"I just think they shouldn't be protected by the law in their decision to expose other people to their noxious horrible effing fumes."

"Restaurants are public places. They have smoking sections and non-smoking sections. See?"

C O N T R A D I C T O R Y.

TheRaisin · #33 01-21-2005, 08:23 PM

I'm trying to say there should be designated "smoking" areas and designated "non-smoking" areas everywhere in public. That way people who don't like cigarettes don't have to be exposed to the smoke. I don't see how that's contradictory. It's still in public, it's just separate. It's not contradictory.

AquaticAmbi · #34 01-21-2005, 08:35 PM

DI, I certainly don't form my opinions one-sidely around anti-drug propaganda. How silly that would make me. But that doesn't mean I don't listen to anything anti-drug-ish. There are negative side effects, but to the extent of which some of them reach according to the propaganda we're fed, I'm skeptical. At the same time, I'm equally skeptical to the extent of the postive effects.

But I digress for I don't care enough to find out through experience. Do as you wish though, as long as it poses no threat to my life.

Leeum · #35 01-22-2005, 11:53 AM

Best thing about this subject is to keep an open mind, nobody is going to force their opinions down your throat. Being stoned is just like being drunk but 10 times better and without the hang-over

Although it does affect people differently, it's normal for it to just chill you out and make you hungry aswell

It's completely harmless and is in my books, a social event. Afaik nobody has ever died from taking it. Start off with your mates having a few joints then go into buckets, pipes or whatever, at the end of the day it's your choice, nobody thinks any less of you if you don't try it

Use and enjoy tbh

Godlesswanderer · #36 01-22-2005, 12:54 PM

It's also impossible to overdose and die on marijuana. From what I've heard, the most you get it a bit sick and that's it.

Rich · #37 01-22-2005, 01:00 PM

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It's also impossible to overdose and die on marijuana. From what I've heard, the most you get it a bit sick and that's it.

You could pass out and choke on your sick. But if you're sensible you'll know when you've gone too far. As for doing something stupid whilst high, just don't do it. Put yourself in a safe place and hide your car keys!

sullytheraptor · #38 01-22-2005, 02:03 PM

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Being stoned is just like being drunk but 10 times better and without the hang-over

I have to say I really disagree with that. I love smoking pot, it helps get insight into my own and my close friends' characters. But I don't really like drinking anywhere near as much. You becomes stupid, hazy headed, and stare off into space. You don't have the wherewithal to contribute to a conversation with anyone sober, and you fumble for words like an idiot. Not to say that there isn't something about getting drunk to shit on rum with your best friend and spending two hours talking about shit you'd otherwise be too uptight to talk about. But for the most part, alcohol only loosens your lips (or maybe other things) and doesn't help you to soulsearch at all.

As for side effects, yeah, smoking a joint yeilds more tar than smoking tobacco because tobacco is not in its purest form, cigarettes have filters, and tobacco is completely manipulated to make it more addictive. I have to say I guard constantly against being addicted to anything because alcoholism runs in my family. But I don't consider myself by any means addicted to reefer. If my girlfriend right out told me to stop, I would. I don't lie about my use of the drug. My parents have asked in the past if I smoke and I've told them, Yes. You just have to remember if you're smoking a drug that you have to do it in moderation and you have to keep everything in perspective.

Al the Glukkon · #39 01-22-2005, 03:47 PM

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But I don't really like drinking anywhere near as much. You becomes stupid, hazy headed, and stare off into space. You don't have the wherewithal to contribute to a conversation with anyone sober, and you fumble for words like an idiot.

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My friend and I laughed at this one guy becuase he lit his balls on fire while he was high.

10 characters.

Leeum · #40 01-23-2005, 01:07 AM

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You just have to remember if you're smoking a drug that you have to do it in moderation and you have to keep everything in perspective.

Totally agree, depending on how wrecked i am, i normally feel "drunk" after a few joints but after a couple of bongs i cba to do anything and normally want to go to sleep or lie down and listen to Sublime

It does affect people differently, a friend of mine was flat on his back after a couple of joints, it all depends on what you're smoking and how you're doing it.

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I don't lie about my use of the drug. My parents have asked in the past if I smoke and I've told them, Yes.

I bow down to you for your attitude, as much as i'd like to tell my rents truthfully they'd probably stop me going out, they'll never understand how harmless the drug is in the quantities i use.

Believe it or not, ever since i started weed it's helped me give up cigarettes, i don't see the point for them or alcohol anymore...well alcohol is ok when there isn't any weed

Reguarding it being bad for your lungs, only time i've heard of problems like that is taking a bong and burning a hole in your lung/s, don't hold me to this as it's never happened to any of us but i've heard it's happened once or twice in the world.

thatbluebastard · #41 02-20-2005, 02:27 AM

i think there are more powerful psychoactive drugs, such as E or acid, for a communal or philosophical cognitive line of thought.

i don't think weed is for losers or anything, but i'm straight. i'm not going to delve into it, but i had a horrible experience with some hard drugs a year and a half ago that made me quit cold turkey, so i don't engage in any drugs. i smoke cigarettes and drink and that's my limit.

Leeum · #42 02-20-2005, 02:32 AM

Alot of people say weed leads to higher class drugs, tbh it doesn't. You have to keep a certain degree of self-control and to not cross that line. Nice name TBB

thatbluebastard · #43 02-20-2005, 02:36 AM

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Alot of people say weed leads to higher class drugs, tbh it doesn't. You have to keep a certain degree of self-control and to not cross that line. Nice name TBB

thanks.

the thing about that is that it doesn't always apply. there are a lot of variables, be it behavioral or biological.

some people have addictive personalities.

some people are just too curious for their own good.

i'm one of the latter, unfortunately and it cost me.

if you're able to experiment in a purely empirical way, then more power to you. but it does not happen often.

Leeum · #44 02-20-2005, 02:43 AM

Yeah i'll agree. The step up from cannabis is probably speed and from what i've heard that stuff is really addictive and causes alot of dehydration relation deaths because it uses up your body's reserves. Curiosity killed the cat and it might just get you aswell :/

thatbluebastard · #45 02-20-2005, 02:55 AM

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Yeah i'll agree. The step up from cannabis is probably speed and from what i've heard that stuff is really addictive and causes alot of dehydration relation deaths because it uses up your body's reserves. Curiosity killed the cat and it might just get you aswell :/

well, i'd say methamphetamines are a pretty big step from marijuana.

maybe if you live in los angeles or orange county.

i'd say the next logical step would be something like ecstasy or painkillers[such as oxycotin, vicodin, or percoset] with the occasional LSD mixed in.

any methamphetamine, such as ecstasy[methyldeoxymethamphetamine] acetminophen, or just plain speed will dehydrate you, because of increased metabolism[increased heart rate and motor functions]-- which is often why methheads are pretty skinny-- but if you're smart and you just drink water, you'll be okay. i'm not in any way condoning the use of drugs and i think most people should shy away from harder things, but it's better to be well-informed.

in my personal experience, speed isn't very fun. i felt like my heart was going to explode.

ecstasy-related deaths are often attributed to dehydration. some people are just idiots about it; like they'll use more than two or three in one go, or they'll ignore their dehydration and keep straining themselves.

you shouldn't use it more than once or twice in a given month.

the funny thing is most people who use speed think they're moving incredibly fast, hence its name. the fact is that if you ever see someone on meth, they're a drooling mess babbling to themselves.

not a fun scene, any way you cut it.

TheRaisin · #46 02-20-2005, 09:14 AM

Cool. We now have a resident drug specialist.

I'm not sure if I have any biological predispositions to addiction (besides alcoholism, there's somewhat of a history of that in my family), but mentally I'm probably the kind of person who would become addicted to drugs. I have little self control, become addicted easily to caffeine, and would probably find drugs a lot more exciting than everyday life (I'll bet a huge percentage of people who do drugs first tried them out of pure boredom). Maybe these traits aren't necessarily indicative of a highly addictive personality, but I wouldn't take my chances. Even if I wanted to do drugs. Which I don't.

Reading is my drug! Yeah! Stay in school!

Rich · #47 02-20-2005, 09:20 AM

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Reading is my drug! Yeah! Stay in school!

Reading is ok. But School?

Give me a Cannabis fag instead of school...

TheRaisin · #48 02-20-2005, 09:29 AM

Tru dat. I say, stay in school until you can read, then drop the hell out. Not literally, but, y'know.

Reading is like a drug to me though... A very, VERY good drug that doesn't cost much, isn't looked down upon, and sends me on a trip I won't soon forget. Yeah.

smerles · #49 02-20-2005, 01:07 PM

I neither tried maryjane nor do I want to try it. But for me it's okay when other people want to smoke that stuff as long as they don't smoke near me. I get headache from the smell of cigarettes and shishas so I think same would happen when mj.

TheRaisin · #50 02-20-2005, 01:15 PM

Sometimes I don't mind the smell of pot, and sometimes I do. It seems like the smell differs quite a lot. Sometimes its fine, and sometimes its horribly acrid and eye-watering. Maybe it depends on the environment, or maybe there's just some bad pot going around.

thatbluebastard · #51 02-20-2005, 01:46 PM

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Cool. We now have a resident drug specialist.

I'm not sure if I have any biological predispositions to addiction (besides alcoholism, there's somewhat of a history of that in my family), but mentally I'm probably the kind of person who would become addicted to drugs. I have little self control, become addicted easily to caffeine, and would probably find drugs a lot more exciting than everyday life (I'll bet a huge percentage of people who do drugs first tried them out of pure boredom). Maybe these traits aren't necessarily indicative of a highly addictive personality, but I wouldn't take my chances. Even if I wanted to do drugs. Which I don't.

Reading is my drug! Yeah! Stay in school!

yeah dude.

if you become addicted to caffeine, haha.

'nihilists? **** me, dude... i mean... say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.'

TheRaisin · #52 02-20-2005, 08:13 PM

What happens is we get a case or two of pop, I drink a heck of a lot for about a week and get addicted, then get sick of it and don't drink much pop again for a while. I'm not permanently addicted as one of my friends is. Pepsi is like air to him.

I've heard that quote before. But where?

Disgruntled Intern · #53 02-20-2005, 08:19 PM

TBB, ignore TheRaisin.

He's full of himself.

thatbluebastard · #54 02-20-2005, 11:20 PM

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What happens is we get a case or two of pop, I drink a heck of a lot for about a week and get addicted, then get sick of it and don't drink much pop again for a while. I'm not permanently addicted as one of my friends is. Pepsi is like air to him.

I've heard that quote before. But where?

holy shit dude, then you know exactly what it's like to hit heroin for a year, quit it for a year cold turkey, then hit it up again, only this time hardballing it with cocaine.

you're the man!!

Leeum · #55 02-21-2005, 08:21 AM

The smell differs depending on how it is eg resin, skunk and the oils etc.

TheRaisin · #56 02-21-2005, 10:01 AM

DI, who else would I be full of? Unless I were a cannibal . . .

Heh. Okay TBB, bad example. What I'm trying to say is that IF susceptibility to minor vices such as these is indicative of an addictive personality, then I am probably a prime candidate for becoming addicted to much more harmful substances. Of course it may be that they're not, in which case I would be a bit less apprehensive about trying pot or whatever, if I decided to try it, which I do not foresee happening in the near future.

Now where did you get that quote? I know I heard it once a long time ago.

Leeum, what is this "resin, skunk and the oils etc" of which you speak? I'm not familiar with marijuana.

Rich · #57 02-21-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by TheRaisin
What happens is we get a case or two of pop, I drink a heck of a lot for about a week and get addicted, then get sick of it and don't drink much pop again for a while.

Wow. If you can't handle Cola, stick to reading...

TheRaisin · #58 02-21-2005, 01:05 PM

Cola isn't capitalized . . . except at the beginning of a sentence. Or in Coca Cola, which is a brand name.

Disgruntled Intern · #59 02-21-2005, 01:24 PM

What about Pepsi Cola?

Stupid.

thatbluebastard · #60 02-21-2005, 02:53 PM

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DI, who else would I be full of? Unless I were a cannibal . . .

Heh. Okay TBB, bad example. What I'm trying to say is that IF susceptibility to minor vices such as these is indicative of an addictive personality, then I am probably a prime candidate for becoming addicted to much more harmful substances. Of course it may be that they're not, in which case I would be a bit less apprehensive about trying pot or whatever, if I decided to try it, which I do not foresee happening in the near future.

Now where did you get that quote? I know I heard it once a long time ago.

Leeum, what is this "resin, skunk and the oils etc" of which you speak? I'm not familiar with marijuana.

well, it really isn't.

pop is one thing. i think anybody could get addicted to it, because it's a beverage.

alcohol is different, though.

why all the hate?