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12-15-2004, 02:23 PM
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The reason that the earth has not already been destroyed by nukes is that when a nuclear bomb detonates it creates a vacuum around itself large enough to contain a good deal of the blast (as is my understanding of it). This would explain why the atmosphere hasn't ignited by now. Anyway, that's what I hear tell. I'll visit a website and confirm this information. Technical details to follow.

I feel fairly confident that we won't be experiencing nuclear war anytime soon. As stupid as the nuke-havers of the world are, they aren't crazy (as far as I know). They realize that a single nuke launched will doom the world. If one country launches a nuke at another country with a nuke, the latter will panic and fire nukes at the other countries with nukes, and everyone will start bombing each other, and the entire earth will be destroyed. And I don't think they want that.

The way I see it, there are two things that might happen if a nuke ever gets dropped on the U.S.: 1) I am taken by surprise and killed, and 2) I don't get affected and I flee the country. Thus, stockpiling supplies and whatnot is a moot point. I just really can't imagine sticking around in a country that's being bombed.
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12-15-2004, 04:29 PM
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In case of zombie attack, I would run. Dang zombies can't run, foo's!
Running zombies are the wave of the future. Haven't you seen 28 Days Later or the new Dawn of the Dead?! Heh.
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12-15-2004, 04:40 PM
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Yes...28 Days Later is an awesome movie. And with new and improved zombies, it's even better. They run. They climb. They puke massive amounts of blood.

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12-15-2004, 05:19 PM
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I don't what you mean by peak oil, but as part of my ethical consumerism, I try to purchase as little oil-produced products as possible.
So you don't really bother with plastic then? Or paint? Or rubber?

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The way I see it, there are two things that might happen if a nuke ever gets dropped on the U.S.: 1) I am taken by surprise and killed, and 2) I don't get affected and I flee the country. Thus, stockpiling supplies and whatnot is a moot point. I just really can't imagine sticking around in a country that's being bombed.
Actually there are three things that might happen if a nuke ever gets dropped on the U.S.: 1, you get killed. 2, you find yourself downwind of the rapidly approaching fallout radiation. And 3, you are far enough away from the bomb that the radiation won't reach you for months, and you have time to get away from the country.

Escaping the country is what hundreds of people will be doing all at once however, and it will require you to move permanently to another country. You simply cannot just hop on a plane and become a citizen of your destination. You've got to go through much more paperwork than that. Also, to begin with, the country may not be accepting incoming American aircraft. You may also have to start out by saying it's a "holiday", and I really doubt that anyone would believe you.

This is why it's a good idea to gather a stockpile of supplies, prepare yourself for the possible onset of nuclear radiation, and form a plan of how you're going to get out of the country without running in to the crowds of people and immigration/asylum seeker authorities.

If you are downwind of the explosion, you have to think a lot faster. You've only got time to get as many supplies as possible, get in your car, and run. You need to be prepared to be running for a long time, so petrol gas is important if you can get it. If you can, you should get out a map and circle the area where the radiation and explosion is, tracking the movement of the radiation accross the map as you go. This will allow you to first run away from the radiation, and then get out of its' path. The map will also help you navigate around any traffic.

Once you've escaped it, you'll find yourself in position 3. The radiation will reach you eventually, it's just a matter of time, so you need to stock up again, find somewhere safe to hide out, and form an escape plan so you can leave the country. Your best bet would be to get to the coast and find a marina or dock - since most people will be flying out of the country, there should be a lot of boats left for you to choose from. Take the biggest boat, load it with fuel and supplies, then take it to sea on a plotted course. Whatever you do, you're going to need supplies, unless you're lucky enough to make it onto a plane.

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12-15-2004, 07:39 PM
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I'm thinking that most people aren't preparing...and those that do prepare will have the unprepared ones trying to take advantage of them.

Mawk...you seem to have put a lot of thought into this. I have a scenario for you.

So...let's say you've been preparing for some sort of disaster for a while and have a pretty cool underground or remote facility. And you have enough room to house about 300 or so people. Do you let people in? And if you do...how do you choose? Also, what if you're approached by freaky looking characters and you don't want them around you. Do you tell them to go away, or do you kill them on the spot so they don't cause problems later?

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12-15-2004, 08:44 PM
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Mawk, the amount of thought you've put into this is absolutely terrifying.

I had completely forgotten about asylum. The U.S. has to let people seeking asylum stay in the U.S. Does Canada have a similar deal? I hope so.

Canadians are extremely nice. I can't imagine not being able to stay in Canada, at least for a short while, if my country had just been bombed. BTW, I live like a few hundred miles from the Canadian border. I guess Washington actually has one thing going for it.

I just don't consider the threat of a nuclear babomb probable enough that I feel the need to prepare like that. I know the world is in turmoil, but to me preparing for nuclear warfare is like preparing for a tornado in NYC or sleeping with a knife in your hand on the off chance that soldiers will invade your house while you sleep.

Has anyone else seen The Day After Tomorrow? The whole thing with a bunch of Americans fleeing into Mexico was one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my life. That movie kicked ass.
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12-16-2004, 12:53 AM
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Mawk...you seem to have put a lot of thought into this. I have a scenario for you.

So...let's say you've been preparing for some sort of disaster for a while and have a pretty cool underground or remote facility. And you have enough room to house about 300 or so people. Do you let people in? And if you do...how do you choose? Also, what if you're approached by freaky looking characters and you don't want them around you. Do you tell them to go away, or do you kill them on the spot so they don't cause problems later?

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If I had an underground bunker, the first few people to get chosen would be family and friends, then a doctor, an engineer/mechanic, a nurse, a cook or chef, a gardener, and the rest of the space would be filled by anyone my friends need to take with them.

I would need the doctor to contain illness in the closed environment, the engineer to keep the facility running, the nurse to work as the doctors' assistant, the cook (obviously) for food preperation and correspondance with the gardener, and the gardener for growing, and looking after the vegetables and crops needed, as well as plants (for air), for the continued survival of the inhabitants.

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Mawk, the amount of thought you've put into this is absolutely terrifying.
LOL. I'm just a deep thinker I suppose. Believe me when I say I'm not preparing for any of this, I can just forsee the kind of things I would need to be doing to survive.

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Not enough ammo for zombies? A zombie won't die from being shot! Just dismember them, by smacking them with a piece of wood will do!
I doubt zombies feel pain, therefore I don't think they're going to stand there while you hit them with wood. They'll keep coming for you.
Maybe we should make a zombie topic, because it's a hell a lot more interesting than reading 1000 word posts on things that'll never happen.
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12-16-2004, 11:49 PM
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I doubt zombies feel pain, therefore I don't think they're going to stand there while you hit them with wood. They'll keep coming for you.
Maybe we should make a zombie topic, because it's a hell a lot more interesting than reading 1000 word posts on things that'll never happen.
Go make a zombie thread then, instead of being a whiney mcbitch tits about how naf this thread is.

EDIT: In fact, I will make a zombie thread for you.
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12-17-2004, 12:25 AM
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Go make a zombie thread then, instead of being a whiney mcbitch tits about how naf this thread is.

EDIT: In fact, I will make a zombie thread for you.
Did you even see my smilie?
God dammit it, when I make a pleasant post I get backlash, and when I insult someone it's the same thing! Can't you people make up your minds?!
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12-17-2004, 01:29 AM
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Did you even see my smilie?
God dammit it, when I make a pleasant post I get backlash, and when I insult someone it's the same thing! Can't you people make up your minds?!
Sarcastic backlash. There is no way I could call someone whiney McBitch tits and keep a straight face.
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Bwah ha ha. I couldn't keep a straight face reading it.
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Sarcastic backlash. There is no way I could call someone whiney McBitch tits and keep a straight face.
Sorry, it's just that it's the type of insult I would trade with my friends.
And it wouldn't be sarcasm either.

Anyway...
So... How's that nuclear war going for everyone?[/poorattempttostayontopic]
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