Another beheading of an American! -

Esus · #31 06-19-2004, 09:19 AM

OK. Let's sort this out.
America (and Britain, and whatnot) have gone to war against an enemy which they literally CAN NOT defeat. You cannot defeat terrorism. You cannot defeat anarchy or new ideas - especially following your obssession with freedom.
This war against terror is UNWINNABLE and will go on until the public become bored (like they did with the war vs drugs) and the government will have to do something else to distract them. Perhaps another war for some other reason.

As it stands, the WAT has captured the imagination of the public. They're so adamant that the terrorists are in the wrong, and they're so adamant that America is, and will, bring them to justice. At the moment, it looks like this is going to be one very long 'distraction', but it can never be won. There is no possiblity to suceed. If the terrorists suceed, they will be the authority and terrorists will arise against them. You cannot, and will not, ever win this war. Have fun trying though.

P.S. Go Holland!

Havoc · #32 06-19-2004, 09:46 AM

Ok... PA... In all the earlyer posts in which you verbaly kill Iraq, you lick Bush his ass, you pretend to be God's next door neighboor and the one's you react as childish as can be for a 22 year old... all that time I didn't wanna say it cuz I was like: Hey c'mon, lets give the guy another chance.
Now, Im realy fed up with it.

You know, If I where to create a petition in which I would ask to delete every post about Iraq, Religion, Bush, America or Childish reacting in the future... bet on it at least half of the steady members here will sign it!
Ofcourse I can't speak for others (where apperently you think you can) but Im realy getting sick of all this bullcrap about some guy getting killed in Iraq! What the F*ck do I care?! Thousands of ppl die every day, I bet just the citie you live in has a few hundred deaths every week whether it be from drugs, alcahol, or old age. And you fuzzin about some guy you don't even freakin know! You just think its bad cuz he is a so called american.
I never hear you complain when its an Iraqi getting killed.

From now on, keep this rubbish to yourself and make a list of all dead ppl you know of, then when the list hits a 15.000 mark or something, THEN you may post it.
On an old forum I used to run someone also made a topic on 9-11 and actualy mentioned all the name's known in it. That list was 6 posts long! And here you are, complaining about the death of one inocent guy...
You are just a realy pathetic kid. Go on Google and search: Patriotic Bullshit forums of america. Register yourself on such a site and unload your oh my god and American got killed in Iraq bullshit there.

SeaRex · #33 06-20-2004, 09:49 AM

You know what I hate? How the American government refuses to swallow its pride. I mean, this "we don't negotiate with them there terrorists!" is ridiculous. And then Bush got all surprised when the terrorists killed the hostage. THEY TOLD YOU THEY WERE GOING TO KILL HIM!!! What the **** is that? Just sitting around with your thumb up your ass, that's what it is.

The funny part was that the Saudis swooped in there and kicked some ass after the beheading. They gave 'em a literal "bitch don't play!" and shot some stuff up. Good for them. At least they did something about it.

Damn this country I live in. If I were a family member of the victim, I would be sorely pissed.

Havoc · #34 06-20-2004, 10:05 AM

LOL

who edited my post hehe...

Bush is a dipshit... plain and simple... he's having a realy big mouth from his little chair at the whitehouse...
"We do not negotiate with terrorists..."

I hope one day they capture Bush. And hide him away so good no one can find him.
Then suddenly he would want to negotiate his ass of!!

paramiteabe · #35 06-20-2004, 12:41 PM

Actually that is pretty damm funny. But on a serious note are you hearing the stories comming out of Iran regarding nuclear missles?

Havoc · #36 06-20-2004, 11:26 PM

Im not concerned... It not my little country their gonna hit with it... we arnt having a ****ing big mouth over at Iraq... did you know that from some askin around of some paper there, the American forces are the one's most hated and the Dutch one's most liked?
Wonder why that is... maybe cuz we actualy aprouch them with gentleness and care instead of rushing arresting some ppl with: Hey mother****er!! Freeze!! Freeze or Il blast your ****ing head of!!! Put your hands on your head! Put your ****ing hands on your head!!! Shut up! (NOt realizing the guy they are arresting doesnt speak a word english and therefor has no idea what their saying...) yea... Americans are a real help over there in keeping the piece...

paramiteabe · #37 06-21-2004, 02:17 AM

But butchering people like cutting peoples heads off because they are eather westerners, free people, Christian or Jew makes it right? Communism will fall again. It happened in the 80's with Reigan and the end of the cold war and it will happen again now in Iraq. And now a new hostage is being held and this time its a South Korean. Like I said before its not only America that is being butchered its everybody even you are a target of these men and yet you support the cause of these men. You go on liveing with no worry or care what so ever about these people that have missles pointed right at you and the rest of the free world and yet you don't care. These men will murder you a free man and yet you don't care.

Tell me when did you reason with madness?

Esus · #38 06-21-2004, 03:04 AM

No, their missiles aren't pointed right at me. Or Havoc. They're pointed right at you.
Anywho, two beheadings is NOT mass butchering. A beheading is quick and very painless, the death comes quickly and smoothly.
Now, running down the streets shouting at civilians in a foreign language before going onto to shoot them repeatedly randomly across their entire body is much more painful. Get over it.

Jacob · #39 06-21-2004, 04:48 AM

'A beheading is quick and very painless'

Well, a professional beheading is. But from what Stadikk said about the last one [which he apparently saw on the net], the guy hacked at the neck, meaning he had to hack through skin, bone and muscle. Meaning not as swift as one would have liked.

I always believe in what goes around comes around. And this is America's come-up-unce for destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Just saw a documentary and all the American people were all "Whoo!! Yeh, we wiped out an entire city!! Whoo!! Go us!! Yeh!! Look at me, i'm crowdsurfing!! Whoo!!". But now, now that two planes flew into their big-ass skyscrapers, they're all "Well, barbarism. That's all it is, naughtyness!! Bomb them!! Bomb anybody with beards!! Bomb them all!!".

I still stand by my point of just wiping out the entirity of Iraq, Zimbabwe, Africa, Ethiopia etc and starting from scratch. Making it a prettier place than it is now.

On the off chance of that not happening, i'd settle for our country to just ignore all the other war torn countries. They're not that important anyway, just pull our troops out of Iraq and if they're going to bomb each other, sod them, let them. At the end of the day their's only a few who are hiding their hatred behind Religion to get others motivated to kill.

SeaRex · #40 06-21-2004, 05:05 AM

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I still stand by my point of just wiping out the entirity of Iraq, Zimbabwe, Africa, Ethiopia etc and starting from scratch. Making it a prettier place than it is now.

Yeah... but wouldn't that result in a massive upheaval of come-up-unce? Karma's a bitch, you know. I mean, America was at war with Japan; blowing entire continents off the map for the sake of an aesthetically pleasing atmosphere wouldn't reflect very well on either of our countries.

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On the off chance of that not happening, i'd settle for our country to just ignore all the other war torn countries. They're not that important anyway, just pull our troops out of Iraq and if they're going to bomb each other, sod them, let them. At the end of the day their's only a few who are hiding their hatred behind Religion to get others motivated to kill.

I kinda/sorta agree with you here. I know it would never happen with Bush in the office, but maybe America should try isolationism for a while. I mean, sure it didn't work with Britain and the Nazis, but we aren't dealing with Nazis here. Finish setting up the government and leave, you know? Keep troops on US soil and concentrate on preventing another attack on our soil instead of bullying people on the other side of the world. America, as a whole, doesn't understand the culture of the middle-east. It doesn't make any sense to try to change something that our government doesn't even understand.

It's hard to say what would happen if we pulled out of Iraq, but it would most likely be much better than what we're going through now.

Jacob · #41 06-21-2004, 05:27 AM

'but wouldn't that result in a massive upheaval of come-up-unce?'

No... *Sniggers* ...It's not as though those people are important. The Japanese brought us torture and Brain washing. What do Iraqi's bring us? Repressed women, beards and carpets...oh yeh, oh-so-important(!)

Sekto Springs · #42 06-21-2004, 05:28 AM

Whatever that monkey, Bush, decides seems to be justified within 10 seconds after it's comitted. I do think America should resort to isolationism, think of the benefits. But I think we would give off the "we don't care" vibe to those countries who jump straight to conclusions, and that would just spark more mayhem among the offices and Bush would end up making another stupid decision. I hope to god his ass drops out of office and we get a new guy in there, a blind squid could run America better than him. There was some rumour that either Bush's or Kerry's wife would take over if the candidates became "illegible". Of course this will never become a reality, they'll never elect blacks, jews, women, etc. even though some of them would make great presidents (take Martin Luther King Jr. for example). Sad times are these.

oddguy · #43 06-21-2004, 06:09 AM

I saw Clinton on 60 minutes last night. He's cool...I just like the guy. Sure, he had his personal problems, but that didn't interfere with his job at the white house. I think Clinton would've handled 9/11 a lot better and wouldn't have pissed off so many other countries like Bush has.

-oddguy

Havoc · #44 06-21-2004, 06:27 AM

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'but wouldn't that result in a massive upheaval of come-up-unce?'

No... *Sniggers* ...It's not as though those people are important. The Japanese brought us torture and Brain washing. What do Iraqi's bring us? Repressed women, beards and carpets...oh yeh, oh-so-important(!)

And the live's of these inocent ppl are not important either? Thats low... I don't give a shit about what you guys do with your live neither, but Im not wishing you die cuz you are not important to me?

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I still stand by my point of just wiping out the entirity of Iraq, Zimbabwe, Africa, Ethiopia etc and starting from scratch. Making it a prettier place than it is now.

Dude, this plannet is not a stupid piece of text. You can't just hit backspace if something went wrong in something you write.
"Oh, well I don't like the way things go in Iraq so lets just bomb the enitre thing and start over..."

Freakin low... realy...

Jacob · #45 06-21-2004, 09:19 AM

'Freakin low... realy...'

No, sensible.

When i take over the world, the first thing i will do is make sure that the lowers cannot have children. I will, also, ban disabled people from having children and move all Religious people [of every kind that spreads some sort of intolerance] to a remote place in the corner of the world.

Then i would wipe out certain civilisations. Getting rid of Iraqi people because of their utter pointlessness. Followed by Ethiopia, because we don't need a bunch of people walking around making Supermodels looking fat. Followed then by Zimbabwe, because of the turmoils there. And then followed by all the other countries that are either totally f*cked over, poor/deprived and "eww".

Then, i would turn these vast landscapes of barroness into nice places. Like, building fountains or artificial hills or something. Have pretty grass landscapes and have people being happy. See, is this ideal so bad? No, no it's not. What would you rather have - a bunch of useless carpet/beard makers who [some, anyway] are so uncivilised that they have to repress women. Or, pretty landscapes with gorgeous scenery and nice swimming water. Whee!!

ClaireBear · #46 06-22-2004, 12:05 AM

Basically here's my "two cents" on PA's repeated "obsessional" behaviour about the totally unjustified war in Iraq...

*ahem*

Hobo... I totally agree with you as in any war it is tit for tat... (I don't mean like the episode from Friends!) Its attack, counter attack retaliation... that is war! Two wrongs don't make a right and there have been losses on both sides.

I think PA's very one sided, jingoistic, xenophobic, pro-USA, blind to reason, brain washed, below average intelligence (check his grammar, punctuation and spelling... sorry PA but thats my evidence for that statement!) view on the whole episode isn't his fault... nor is he alone in that view... in fact I'd go as far to say that it is probably your average Americans view point.. that alone is a worry!

Yes... beheading a hostage kinda must go against the Geneava convention and the international combat law but terrorism in general does! If demands aren't met what are they gonna do? Give the guy a pat on the bum, a packed lunch and send him on his way... no!

Look at the footage of the poor North Korean bloke... he's the first hostage I've seen who 's actually s**tting himself... why? Because he knows his country won't negotiate and he's already dead!!!!!

Aaaaah! Its all f**ked up... but if Bush wasn't desperate on retaliation and pinning the blame for Sept 11th on some one any one to "restoriate the American people's pride and hopefuliation in me" then none of this would have happened...

I actually don't think us Brits would have reacted like the Yanks... I think it wasn't so much the loss of life but the "Terrorism? Whats that? How dare they!... Mommy I'm scared" of it all... we've suffered as a nation from repeated IRA bombings and, if you remember, the Libian Lockerby disaster... I'm not saying we wouldn't react but I think we wouldn't have gone all out to retaliate with such verosity.

Its an unjust war declared by an unstable man followed blindly by a man who owes America big time for the last real and just war... WW2!

Statikk HDM · #47 06-22-2004, 05:39 AM

You can't use lousy spelling and grammar on the 'net to say someone is dumb. Seriously, its all about banging out your message quickly. I see the beheadings as a real turning point in AQ's and other terrorist network's strategy. Indiscriminate bombing tends to piss off the very people you want to get on your side and is lacking flavor. Seriously, car bombings don't mean crap any more. BUT kidnap someone and put a very personal, very real image of destruction and fear in someone's head and they take notice. That, my friends, is why a beheading is front page and a car bombing 18B.
Edit: American soldiers have committed numerous atrocities during this war, are you so surprised that terrorists are willing to commit them if it causes people to take heed? Mark my words: There will be more kidnappings and murdering unless we do two things. Negotiate with the terrorists and get the hell out of Iraq.

Statikk HDM · #48 06-22-2004, 05:48 AM

This is on a different note, so I believe it bears a second post.
You cannot have a war on terrorism simply because it is an ABSTRACT VERB. Terrorism is here to stay because it is quick, easy, and more often than not gets you what you want. I see this war on terror as simply a pretense for Bush and his cronies to get even more unlimited powers and rights. Face it, the war on terrorism is nothing more than a power grab. Look what is has led to: Breaking of international laws, fighting wars without the approval of Congress, the detaining and torturing of people (whom 90 percent have been deemed innocent of wrongdoings by Human Rights Watch and the Red Cross) without regards to the Constitution and Geneva Conventions, the PATRIOT Act in all its vile forms... If you think it will stop there you are dead wrong.

Esus · #49 06-22-2004, 05:52 AM

*points to my post at top of page 2*
yep, read it. Go on!

Havoc · #50 06-22-2004, 08:32 AM

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'Freakin low... realy...'

No, sensible.

When i take over the world, the first thing i will do is make sure that the lowers cannot have children. I will, also, ban disabled people from having children and move all Religious people [of every kind that spreads some sort of intolerance] to a remote place in the corner of the world.

Then i would wipe out certain civilisations. Getting rid of Iraqi people because of their utter pointlessness. Followed by Ethiopia, because we don't need a bunch of people walking around making Supermodels looking fat. Followed then by Zimbabwe, because of the turmoils there. And then followed by all the other countries that are either totally f*cked over, poor/deprived and "eww".

Then, i would turn these vast landscapes of barroness into nice places. Like, building fountains or artificial hills or something. Have pretty grass landscapes and have people being happy. See, is this ideal so bad? No, no it's not. What would you rather have - a bunch of useless carpet/beard makers who [some, anyway] are so uncivilised that they have to repress women. Or, pretty landscapes with gorgeous scenery and nice swimming water. Whee!!

If you start killing anything useless, start with yourself will you?
WTF is that if that for stupid reason to whipe out a cevelisatiom?!! Thats the most stupid thing I ever heard! Even PA doesnt make statements THAT stupid.
Not everyone needs to meet your to high standarts you know... I would need a ultra supersoninc missile to get to those standarts of yours. Jeez!
Well, as you probably are just another stupid little kid. Start your crazyness be going into town and shooting all the Hobo's (no offence Hobo

). Then start to kill every useless persone in your town... Lets see how far you get.
Oh, and ofcourse don't forget yourself as your the most useless, pointless persone there is.

Jacob · #51 06-22-2004, 11:30 AM

'whom 90 percent have been deemed innocent of wrongdoings by Human Rights Watch and the Red Cross'

Yeh, but to be fair the sodding Human Rights people have a tendancy to declare that a Paedophile is safe, even if he has murdered and raped five three year olds. Human Rights is one of the many things that has f*cked up this country, i believe. If it wasn't for them, people would actually still be worried about going to prison.

And to emphasise again, Saddam was in breach of his deal with the UN. So, technically, the war was justified.

'Oh, and ofcourse don't forget yourself as your the most useless, pointless persone there is.'

But a world ruler is not pointless or useless...

'WTF is that if that for stupid reason to whipe out a cevelisatiom?!! Thats the most stupid thing I ever heard!'

No it's not. Those countries are FOUL countries. Having a pretty landscape there instead would be, not only nicer to the enviroment, but make for a nice touristy place.

Shell Man · #52 06-22-2004, 12:11 PM

This is the new millenium for god's sake, we're supposed to be advancing and gaining on new horizons, but these friggin war-torn countries are dragging us down with them, right back into the stone age. We should just say, "Hey look, if you guys want to spend the next few decades throwing rocks at each other, fine. If you change your mind and want to reach us, we'll be in space building advanced computers and crap that you wouldn't even know what to do with at this point."

paramiteabe · #53 06-22-2004, 01:05 PM

Ok lets have it your way if it will make you happy. After all I am a right wing conservative as you might have guessed by now. Oh guess what I wear John Kerry is a terrorist tee shirts all the time! Negotiate with the terrorist and tell me how it went after your people are dead. I am nether voteing for Bush or Kerry I am voteing for Ralph Nadar.

Big_Bro_Slig222 · #54 06-22-2004, 03:04 PM

I'm suprised no-one has mentioned that a Korean contractor taken hostage a week or two ago was just beheaded today.

Shell Man · #55 06-22-2004, 04:11 PM

I guess if you've seen one beheading you've seen 'em all. Whatever. It sucks, but the people who do that crap aren't impressing anyone.

SeaRex · #56 06-22-2004, 04:37 PM

I meant to bring up the South Korean... must have slipped my mind.

I haven't watched a single beheading video yet, and I'm not about to start. Did they even record the SK killing? I've heard different things...

ClaireBear · #57 06-22-2004, 09:30 PM

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You can't use lousy spelling and grammar on the 'net to say someone is dumb. Seriously, its all about banging out your message quickly.

Soooo... thats why yours are perfect... mine are damn near.. and PA's... PA's are.... Hmmmmmm!

"The prosectution rests your Honour!"

I reiterate... what I'm suggesting is that PA may come from a certain sector of society that his inability to conjugate verbs betrays... which links with his ideas and perception of the war in Iraq.

I like the guy (some of his political and social viewpoints are a little f**ked) but I think he's a sweetie.

I was just making a point PA

you can beat me with sticks later!

Esus · #58 06-23-2004, 05:01 AM

Where is your sense of cultural diversity?
Why ever should every country want large sky skraper, boring grass fields or space programs? Cultural diversity was one of the greatest features of this planet, unfortunately, it is slowly being erradicated.

Statikk HDM · #59 06-23-2004, 05:29 AM

See, Shell Man just said what I was afraid of. He's desensitized to beheadings for Christ's Sake, just think of the deprave new lows terrorists wioll have to sink to to get their message noticed. Car bombings don't do it, brutal beheadings don't do it, so what the hell will?

Jacob · #60 06-23-2004, 08:03 AM

Personally i don't really like insulting peoples spellings, since they may be tapped in the head or something...

'Why ever should every country want large sky skraper, boring grass fields or space programs? Cultural diversity was one of the greatest features of this planet, unfortunately, it is slowly being erradicated.'

It's all very well saying that, and i wouldn't mind that. But when they're showing you little-black Skeletons running around with flies up their nose...at tea time, it really does extract the urine.

I really don't see the point in many countries though. They're only there to make America look good.