BREXIT -

Varrok · #31 05-24-2016, 07:00 AM

Nep, this is how it looked before EU was invented.

I'll let you come to your own conclusions

Dixanadu · #32 05-24-2016, 11:50 PM

I think it may be good for the UK to leave the EU so they can focus on other things.

Like addressing Northern Ireland's political clownhouse where our politicians are openly racist, sectarian, homophobic and sexist.

STM · #33 05-25-2016, 09:25 AM

Come on Dix, tell me how leaving the EU is going to help the peace process over there. Thirty years of work will go down the drain. :/

Paul · #34 05-25-2016, 09:59 AM

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Come on Dix, tell me how leaving the EU is going to help the peace process over there. Thirty years of work will go down the drain. :/

Leaving the EU won't mean relations fall apart over night, if that CAN happen then it can happen at any time.

STM · #35 05-25-2016, 10:07 AM

The Good Friday Agreement was really facilitated quite substantially by the wider EU. Not only this, the EU has played a significant role in maintaining and improving peace between the ROI and NI. The last thing you need is anything to upset that increasingly fragile peace, especially when you consider that there are continuity elements of the RA rising up again.

Vlam · #36 05-25-2016, 12:16 PM

You seem to underestimate the perfidious Albion, STM.

STM · #37 05-25-2016, 01:11 PM

Mate, give us seven years out of the EU and we'll be arming the peasants with pikes to take back Brittany or something. A lot of British people have this weird idea that we're the centre of the world because of the empire we had a hundred years ago. We need to move on.

Vlam · #38 05-25-2016, 01:28 PM

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Like addressing Northern Ireland's political clownhouse where our politicians are openly racist, sectarian, homophobic and sexist.

Should Northern Ireland leave the UK?

Dixanadu · #39 05-25-2016, 04:26 PM

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Come on Dix, tell me how leaving the EU is going to help the peace process over there. Thirty years of work will go down the drain. :/

Thirty years of work won't heal eight-hundred years of cultural genocide, but I'm as of yet, undecided on the matter. Also with Turkey joining the EU (supposedly soon), we'll be swamped with hundreds of them since they seem to like it here for some reason. Thankfully, we have no ethical tension here like in France or England, the minorities stay out of sight whilst the white people drunkenly call each other taigs and huns.

It's a comfy life.

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Should Northern Ireland leave the UK?

Nah, too many consequences. The Republic of Ireland doesn't want the North back because their economy is crap enough as it is, we'd only be adding extra strain. Plus, everyone in the north would have to switch from sterling to the euro, messing up everyone's banks.

It's also too small and thinly peopled to survive as its own sovereign state.

Not to mention the loyalist/unionist majority (who are more British than the English, might I add) chimping out and giving open support to paramilitary groups like the UDA or UVF, thus ushering in another few decades of bloodshed.

I think for the best interest of all, we should stay. Northern Ireland is the 'special kid' of Europe, like Bosnia.

STM · #40 05-25-2016, 11:41 PM

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Thirty years of work won't heal eight-hundred years of cultural genocide, but I'm as of yet, undecided on the matter. Also with Turkey joining the EU (supposedly soon), we'll be swamped with hundreds of them since they seem to like it here for some reason. Thankfully, we have no ethical tension here like in France or England, the minorities stay out of sight whilst the white people drunkenly call each other taigs and huns.

It's a comfy life.

Absolutely, one hundred percent agree. I don't want to prattle on about Anglo-Irish relations because I think I'd be preaching to the converted. All I will say--in regards to the Turkey issue--there is something like two dozen criteria Turkey must meet to be accepted into the EU, they've currently met one of those criteria, and at the rate their human rights record is collapsing, they won't be admitted any time soon. Don't expect a mass flooding of Turks into the EU within the next ten years, imho.

Vlam · #41 05-26-2016, 05:57 AM

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I've recently helped our local Momentum branch (the activist group of Corbyn's Labour Party) host a political debate open to the public on Brexit.

How many people (compatriots) did you convince (so far)?

STM · #42 05-26-2016, 10:42 AM

No idea, probably no one. I think most people have made their mind up at this point.

Manco · #43 05-26-2016, 01:50 PM

The thread title makes me think of some kind of trendy hipster granola bar.

Vlam · #44 05-26-2016, 02:13 PM

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The thread title makes me think of some kind of trendy hipster granola bar.

Are you posting from the loony bin?

**JayDee** · #45 05-27-2016, 03:04 AM

I'm voting to stay in the EU.

moxco · #46 05-27-2016, 03:05 AM

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What about the peace the EU has brought to Europe? A continent that has never known prolonged peace since Pax-Romana, is now living through its longest ever period of non-conflict. The only countries in Europe that have faced war since WWII are non-EU states; the Yugoslav Republics and Ukraine for example. There is too much nationalism between nations for the EU to fall apart.

lol i think you're putting the cart before the horse with this one.

Paul · #47 05-27-2016, 06:49 AM

Staying in the EU for peace reasons makes no sense - look at it this way. Next time anything happens and the EU is a "superstate" it will more easily escalate to a world war between other superstates like US/Russia/China.

For me leaving means possible more or less money, but more importantly people I didn't vote for won't be passing laws that I don't agree with. Immigration controls also make perfect sense to me.

Manco · #48 05-27-2016, 07:06 AM

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Are you posting from the loony bin?

I’m staying well away from your trash, so no.

Vlam · #49 05-27-2016, 07:30 AM

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I'm voting to stay in the EU.

Why? Can you elucidate?

**JayDee** · #50 05-27-2016, 07:47 AM

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Why? Can you elucidate?

Because I'm of voting age and I want to stay in the EU.

Vlam · #51 05-27-2016, 07:48 AM

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Because I'm of voting age and I want to stay in the EU.

Why do you want the UK to stay in the EU?

**JayDee** · #52 05-27-2016, 09:16 AM

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Why do you want the UK to stay in the EU?

Because a unified Empire can help defend against the Thalmor.

Laser · #53 05-27-2016, 10:41 AM

I don't know what to decide. Alls I know is the ridiculous scare tactics from both sides makes me want to spoil the ballot.

***Nate*** · #54 05-27-2016, 09:59 PM

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...people I didn't vote for won't be passing laws that I don't agree with.

Except that you do vote for the EU parliament. Not all of it, sure. But you don't vote for every member in the UK parliament either.

Phylum · #55 05-27-2016, 11:13 PM

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...but more importantly people I didn't vote for won't be passing laws that I don't agree with.

Better move to a country that doesn't have FPTP voting then LOL

Varrok · #56 05-27-2016, 11:56 PM

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Except that you do vote for the EU parliament. Not all of it, sure. But you don't vote for every member in the UK parliament either.

Having even less power as a voter does not make it right

Connell · #57 05-28-2016, 01:41 AM

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...ssels/22804?44

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-w...influenced-eu/

Interesting articles that sort of "put to bed" arguments I've seen.

Paul · #58 05-28-2016, 03:23 AM

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Better move to a country that doesn't have FPTP voting then LOL

I'd like this changed too, but what can you do?

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Except that you do vote for the EU parliament. Not all of it, sure. But you don't vote for every member in the UK parliament either.

I don't WANT to but I HAVE to, hence +1 to BREXIT.

Havoc · #59 05-29-2016, 10:13 AM

Couple more reasons to be very much against the EU at this point in time:

1. TTIP agreement, which would pull down a lot of (food)safety laws in Europe to the idiotic standards of the United States, so they may sell their products here. It would also enable US companies to sue entire European governments if any laws are passed that affect their profits. The EU is currently wanting to accept this agreement, which is absolutely preposterous. I'm also pretty sure SOPA and all those internet related spy laws are embedded in there somewhere.

2. This one isn't relevant to the UK, but it is to the Netherlands. The European Stability Mechanism is something many EU member states are a part of. This ESM is meant to offer financial support to EU countries in need, such as the recent clusterfuck surrounding Greece. The billions of Euros being pumped into Greece come from this fund. The fund, in turn, requests money from its member countries to pay for all this. Problem is, there is no cap on how often money may be requested and there is no cap on how much. The request does not have to come with any reason, and as a member country you may NOT refuse to contribute. In other words, if the EU decides it needs 100 trillion Euros, member countries are obligated to pay their share without questions. This, of course, is some massive bullshit.

The EU is a corrupt piece of shit that's being run by people who would bring entire countries to the brink of bankruptcy in order to fill their own bank accounts. The Greece crisis proved as much. And now TTIP is going to fuck over the rest of Europe for the sake of profits and under the table payments.

***Nate*** · #60 05-29-2016, 09:18 PM

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Having even less power as a voter does not make it right

What?

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I don't WANT to but I HAVE to, hence +1 to BREXIT.

What?

I really don't know what points you're trying to make in response to my comment.