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OANST · #31 06-15-2010, 02:35 PM

No one forces these people to go on the internet looking for children to masturbate to, and no one forces them to drive to the house of a child with the intent to fuck them. I don't give a shit what you call it. I want them humiliated and castrated, but I'll settle for humiliated and jailed.

scrabface · #32 06-15-2010, 03:18 PM

whoa

I think it's a lil bit harsh to say hunt down every pedo and kill them and so on, because I think being a pedophile is no one's choice. They were born so (that people, who got raped when they were a child, and therefore are going to be a pedo, is a myth or simply not true) I got raped when I was 7 and I wouldn't ever like to fuck a kid, but my opinion changed through the time.
You see I think you can't blame anyone simply because he has these feelings, but if he lives it out, That's a complete different case. there has to be consequences! But I am not so sure that they are all the same. It's like blaming someone who is gay. I read that all kinda rapes mostly are not primarily committed because of sex or attraction, but because of the feeling of power.
So I just wanna be sure you get what I mean. judging someone simply because he is a pedo is, I think, mischief-making, but I don't want to play child molestation down. Believe me, I know what that means.

and like I said once, our whole society is very odd, because we all start very early to push our kids into gender roles, but at the same time we say, they are non-sexual creatures and they have to be protected from everything that has anything to do with sex. that's paradox and the wrong way.

OddjobAbe · #33 06-15-2010, 03:23 PM

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I got raped when I was 7 and I wouldn't ever like to fuck a kid, but my opinion changed through the time.

So you would like to fuck a kid? I don't see where you're coming from.

Havoc · #34 06-15-2010, 03:23 PM

Well to me there is a difference between child molesters/rapists and the simple perverts who get off on young teens. The difference being that the former will force the act and the latter will want consensual sex. To the law there may not be a difference but morally I think there is a huge difference because at the end of the day the perverts aren't out to hurt the kids and rapists are.

Also, Perverted Justice uses 18+ year olds for their traps which basically means that any physical attraction to the bait isn't actually illegal because any guy in their 20-30's would find that girl equally attractive. Further more the bait always encourages the behavior. The pervert may initiate the conversation in sex, but there have been cases where the bait invited him over to her house. The bait always asks to bring condoms and confirms that she's willing to have sex voluntarily.

Then the guy makes the stupid decision to accept her invitation and they meet up. There has not been any sex or even touching. But apparently it is illegal to even think about having sex with a minor, which strikes me as a bit weird.

In the end these people are arrested because they were seduced by an 18 year old girl and invited to come over to their house to have sex, while they thought she was underage.

Don't get me wrong, there have been a few big fish they caught this way. People on FBI most wanted lists or dangerous killers who had not yet been caught. But there have also been a lot of average Joe Smoe's who simply lost common sense in their sexual excitement and made a stupid ass decision ("she's a bit young but she seems to really want it so where's the harm?"). It just seems a bit harsh to me to give people like that a 4 year prison sentence.

And yeah I know the entire story about not being adult yet, making bad decisions and all that crap we've been over.

OANST · #35 06-15-2010, 03:27 PM

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whoa

I think it's a lil bit harsh to say hunt down every pedo and kill them and so on, because I think being a pedophile is no one's choice. They were born so (that people, who got raped when they were a child, and therefore are going to be a pedo, is a myth or simply not true) I got raped when I was 7 and I wouldn't ever like to fuck a kid, but my opinion changed through the time.
You see I think you can't blame anyone simply because he has these feelings, but if he lives it out, That's a complete different case. there has to be consequences! But I am not so sure that they are all the same. It's like blaming someone who is gay. I read that all kinda rapes mostly are not primarily committed because of sex or attraction, but because of the feeling of power.
So I just wanna be sure you get what I mean. judging someone simply because he is a pedo is, I think, mischief-making, but I don't want to play child molestation down. Believe me, I know what that means.

and like I said once, our whole society is very odd, because we all start very early to push our kids into gender roles, but at the same time we say, they are non-sexual creatures and they have to be protected from everything that has anything to do with sex. that's paradox and the wrong way.

No one said anything about killing so what the fuck are you going on about? We are discussing the type of person that actively seeks out and preys on children. I judge no one based on a predisposition. However, I will fucking destroy you if you try to touch my child.

OANST · #36 06-15-2010, 03:30 PM

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Well to me there is a difference between child molesters/rapists and the simple perverts who get off on young teens. The difference being that the former will force the act and the latter will want consensual sex. To the law there may not be a difference but morally I think there is a huge difference because at the end of the day the perverts aren't out to hurt the kids and rapists are.

Also, Perverted Justice uses 18+ year olds for their traps which basically means that any physical attraction to the bait isn't actually illegal because any guy in their 20-30's would find that girl equally attractive. Further more the bait always encourages the behavior. The pervert may initiate the conversation in sex, but there have been cases where the bait invited him over to her house. The bait always asks to bring condoms and confirms that she's willing to have sex voluntarily.

Then the guy makes the stupid decision to accept her invitation and they meet up. There has not been any sex or even touching. But apparently it is illegal to even think about having sex with a minor, which strikes me as a bit weird.

In the end these people are arrested because they were seduced by an 18 year old girl and invited to come over to their house to have sex, while they thought she was underage.

Don't get me wrong, there have been a few big fish they caught this way. People on FBI most wanted lists or dangerous killers who had not yet been caught. But there have also been a lot of average Joe Smoe's who simply lost common sense in their sexual excitement and made a stupid ass decision ("she's a bit young but she seems to really want it so where's the harm?"). It just seems a bit harsh to me to give people like that a 4 year prison sentence.

And yeah I know the entire story about not being adult yet, making bad decisions and all that crap we've been over.

You just shut the fuck up. There is a fucking white light in my brain right now. Shut the fuck up. Do not try to rationalize what you did. Don't talk about it. Shut the stupid fuck up. Shut your stupid goddamn mouth. I swear to god, I will never defend you again. I won't even argue with you. Just shut the fuck up.

Disgruntled Intern · #37 06-15-2010, 03:33 PM

Havoc, I think because you personally have a thing for these young teens [or don't, whatever] you've got a serious set of blinders on. It's the fucking intent that counts here. It doesn't matter how old the decoy is. The fact of the matter is that these fucks are coming to the home of a god damned CHILD to have sexual intercourse. What's to stop them from freaking out after and killing, beating, or kidnapping them? What perverted justice does is a wonderful thing.

Havoc · #38 06-15-2010, 03:36 PM

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You just shut the fuck up. There is a fucking white light in my brain right now. Shut the fuck up. Do not try to rationalize what you did. Don't talk about it. Shut the stupid fuck up. Shut your stupid goddamn mouth. I swear to god, I will never defend you again. I won't even argue with you. Just shut the fuck up.

Dude chill out. I've already explained my own actions a long time ago and I still stand by them. I'm talking about the way these people are arrested, not about the act of having sex with an underage girl.

Disgruntled Intern · #39 06-15-2010, 03:37 PM

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Dude chill out.

You can't tell him to chill out. He's a parent. He has a daughter.

Havoc · #40 06-15-2010, 03:39 PM

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You can't tell him to chill out. He's a parent. He has a daughter.

I know that, which is why I understand the reaction. But his daughter isn't even near the age we're discussing, hence he shouldn't be tripping.

Disgruntled Intern · #41 06-15-2010, 03:40 PM

Little girls grow up. Your inability to make simple connections astound me.

Mac Sirloin · #42 06-15-2010, 03:43 PM

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I know that, which is why I understand the reaction. But his daughter isn't even near the age we're discussing, hence he shouldn't be tripping.

YEAH BRO HE'S WAY TRIPPING, HE JUS' MAD CUZ YOU AND YO PEDOPHILE BUDDIES BE STYLIN' ALL OVER HIM.

Seriously though, you're a disgusting human being.

Havoc · #43 06-15-2010, 03:47 PM

Your point being? Little girls grow up and have sex one day, whether that's at 15 or 19 or 24, what difference does that really make if it's voluntary? Are you really saying that a person is 100% completely retardedly unable to decide to have sex before they are legally 18? Like a switch that flips the second they turn 18 they are suddenly enlightened "WOW! I can now make an educated decision into having sex. I think I shall now do that."

I know parents always like to think their little girl or boy never grows up and will never engage in stuff like this, but children are curious creatures, especially in their teenage years. You can't stop it if they really want it and the best you can try is to educate them about it so they ARE able to make an educated decision before 18.

OANST I'm really not trying to insult you or piss you off as a parent or whatever, just stating my mind.

OANST · #44 06-15-2010, 03:47 PM

I don't care if you think that you were smarter than the average tiger when you were 14. You weren't. And neither is a 14 year old hormonal girl who is likely extremely flattered by the attentions of an older man. What sort of piece of shit dreg of society is so fucking out of touch with humanity that he can't find a single fucking grown up to fuck him? 14 year old's are children. I was a child when I was 14. I know because I did a lot of stupid shit. Stupid shit that I wouldn't have done had I been older and more mature. But that's the point. Children aren't mature. Not mature enough to make these sorts of decisions.

Your "She obviously wants it. Where's the harm" rhetoric makes bile creep into my throat and is accompanied by a primal desire to throttle and stab.

moxco · #45 06-15-2010, 03:53 PM

I'm fussy

EDIT: dammit fixed link...

Mac Sirloin · #46 06-15-2010, 03:53 PM

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Your point being? Little girls grow up and have sex one day, whether that's at 15 or 19 or 24, what difference does that really make if it's voluntary?

Havoc thinks rape is okay. I'm so fucking surprised.

Havoc · #47 06-15-2010, 03:55 PM

Were the quotes really that invisible? They look like this -> "

I was referring to the train of thought of a pervert on the net thinking about going to a house.

If you're 30 and going to a 14 year old to have sex then yeah the kid is making a stupid decision. However, a 14 or 15 year old can easily fall in love with people closer to their own age, people under 20 for instance. You can not judge this shit on a global basis, as much as everyone would like to. You can't say adults having sex with minors is illegal and everyone should be shot who does it. Should we shoot an 18 year old guy fucking his 17 year old girlfriend? That would technically be illegal, right?

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Havoc thinks rape is okay. I'm so fucking surprised.

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whether that's at 15 or 19 or 24, what difference does that really make if it's voluntary?

Hmm... voluntary -> rape. How'd you do that?

moxco · #48 06-15-2010, 03:58 PM

Why don't we turn the example age down to thirteen? If you've been to a public school you will know that it is much more realistic.

OANST · #49 06-15-2010, 04:00 PM

Let's talk about the minimum age of consent for a minute. Is 18 the magic number? Is it 19? 17? 12? 32? 6?

There is no magic number, but we need a number so that we can limit the amount of children who aren't ready for sex being taken advantage of by adults. Should that number be 18? I don't know. But I'll tell you what I do know. You don't get to set the number. If you want to have sex with them THEN YOU DO NOT GET TO SET THE NUMBER. I set the number. I like 18. You graduate from grade school when you're 18. Works for me.

moxco · #50 06-15-2010, 04:02 PM

MA · #51 06-15-2010, 04:04 PM

Jesus Christ this is so fucking stupid, since when was fucking small children okay? and Havoc is in the centre. again. what a surprise.

Havoc, go back and read all of your posts out loud to yourself. in fact, record yourself reading them out, and then play them on loop once you go to sleep. hopefully the first thing you say once you awake will be "am i really that fucking retarded?"

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If you're 30 and going to a 14 year old to have sex then yeah the kid is making a stupid decision.

i'm sorry, what was that? the kid? i would have thought the adult would be more to blame.

OANST · #52 06-15-2010, 04:05 PM

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Would you please stop belittling the conversation with whatever faggotry it is that you are currently doing?

Havoc · #53 06-15-2010, 04:07 PM

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Let's talk about the minimum age of consent for a minute. Is 18 the magic number? Is it 19? 17? 12? 32? 6?

There is no magic number, but we need a number so that we can limit the amount of children who aren't ready for sex being taken advantage of by adults. Should that number be 18? I don't know. But I'll tell you what I do know. You don't get to set the number. If you want to have sex with them THEN YOU DO NOT GET TO SET THE NUMBER. I set the number. I like 18. You graduate from grade school when you're 18. Works for me.

Are you talking about setting an age for a parents kids under which they are simply not allowed to have sex? Like would you tell your daughter when she's older that she's not allowed to have sex till 18, period? Rules like that have always worked counter productive and you won't exactly be able to enforce it. Or isn't that what you meant?

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i'm sorry, what was that? the kid? i would have thought the adult would be more to blame.

Okay, they are both making a stupid decision. Better?

OANST · #54 06-15-2010, 04:09 PM

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Are you talking about setting an age for a parents kids under which they are simply not allowed to have sex? Like would you tell your daughter when she's older that she's not allowed to have sex till 18, period? Rules like that have always worked counter productive and you won't exactly be able to enforce it. Or isn't that what you meant?

Okay, they are both making a stupid decision. Better?

Ummm. No. I'm setting an age at which I get to cut your balls off if you touch my child and you're over the age of consent.

scrabface · #55 06-15-2010, 04:10 PM

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OddjobAbe Quote:Originally Posted by scrabface
I got raped when I was 7 and I wouldn't ever like to fuck a kid, but my opinion changed through the time.

So you would like to fuck a kid? I don't see where you're coming from.

I meant, that before I started of reading me into this topic, I was overhasty and angry at those pedos, but over the time I changed my mind into what I tried to describe in the previous post. So I don't want to fuck a child. I only try to differ between someone who is a pedophile and someone who actually tries to violate a child. everything seems to be deformed nowadays.
kids can have sexual feelings, and there is nothing wrong about this. if and when they are 'officiallly' able to choose about when they should have sex, that's very hard to tell, but it's absolutely crazy to say, every human on this earth evolutes at the same speed, and when you are 18, THAN you plop you can have sex (good point havoc)

what I don't get is why so many of you are so mad about this topic? where does this huge fear come from? you seem to be soaked with horror stories produced by the media. that's your only source.
the media use this topic because it's endlessly explosive (something for the tongue twister thread)

so please cool down. there is no reason for being harsh. even if you OANST have a daughter. I won't come over to you and rape her, it's to far away for that.

moxco · #56 06-15-2010, 04:10 PM

Okay sorry. On (the new) topic;

I know some one at that age will have raging hormones that ight prevent them from making an educated decision, but at the end of the day what is so bad about sex?

I mean as long as it is protected no-one is getting hurt are they?

Havoc · #57 06-15-2010, 04:11 PM

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Ummm. No. I'm setting an age at which I get to cut your balls off if you touch my child and you're over the age of consent.

No matter what your daughters role was in all of it? In a few years she'll be like 15 and has an 18 year old boyfriend. IMO that's an age difference (for a relationship at least) that's acceptable. You catch them having sex, what happens next?

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so please cool down. there is no reason for being harsh. even if you OANST have a daughter. I won't come over to you and rape her, it's to far away for that.

Dude, even I would kill you for that remark...

moxco · #58 06-15-2010, 04:13 PM

Orgy!

MA · #59 06-15-2010, 04:14 PM

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so please cool down. there is no reason for being harsh. even if you OANST have a daughter. I won't come over to you and rape her, it's to far away for that.

what?

just get the fuck out you piece of shit lightweight.

Mac Sirloin · #60 06-15-2010, 04:14 PM

Well, just to prove you wrong on the factual level, That wouldn't be illegal everywhere, you thunderously small penised fuckstick, since A) The age of Consent in some places (let's say here in Canada) and the laws tied to it are basically "Children 14 years and up can have consensual sexual intercourse with people up to and including the age of 18, but no more or less for that age group."

I don't care how much you try to justify it. A 14 year old does not have the psychological or hormonal capacity for sexual intercourse that a 19 year old does.

As OANST said, no magic number, but 15 isn't it you goddamn mouthbreathing poltroon.