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STM · #31 05-09-2011, 12:26 PM

I hate other peoples children, there's a difference.

Wings of Fire · #32 05-09-2011, 12:56 PM

I want kids no matter what manner of sentient being I end up with. It will make the years in the middle more tolerable.

Lord Stanley · #33 05-09-2011, 01:15 PM

I have always wondered something: why do humans have sex so much?

Havoc · #34 05-09-2011, 01:16 PM

To reproduce, duh.

Lord Stanley · #35 05-09-2011, 01:21 PM

That's what I always thought, except most of the people on this thread are talking about taking preventative measures AGAINST conception.

Havoc · #36 05-09-2011, 01:26 PM

We have sex because it feels great. The reason it naturally feels so great is to stimulate you to have sex and thus reproduce. Obviously as we got more intelligent over millions of years and figured out how making babies works, we also figured out how to have a good time without the burden of pregnancy.

Lord Stanley · #37 05-09-2011, 01:29 PM

I just feel that people have taken it a step too far...much of life these days seems to revolve around having sex with people.

Havoc · #38 05-09-2011, 01:30 PM

It's one of the strongest, if not THE strongest, instincts we have. It's not really a big surprise.

Ridg3 · #39 05-09-2011, 01:30 PM

Well to be honest, there isn't a large amount of people in this forum to justify what the greater populace want. I for one hope never to have children and should I ever want any I hope I'm in the state that I'm able to look after one with a bit of pocket left over.

Lord Stanley · #40 05-09-2011, 01:32 PM

I REALLY don't want to turn this into a morals/ethics debate, but I maintain that just because something feels good, it doesn't mean it should be done. Beating the crap out of your brother in the name of "justice" may feel rewarding, but then you have to go to jail for it.

Also, extreme sexual desires oftentimes leads to rape. Not a good thing.

Ridg3 · #41 05-09-2011, 01:34 PM

I thought rape was more of a power thing rather than a sexual desire?

Lord Stanley · #42 05-09-2011, 01:35 PM

It's a desire for all things impure: unlawful sex, domination, greed, hate, etc.

Wings of Fire · #43 05-09-2011, 01:37 PM

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Also, extreme sexual desires oftentimes leads to rape. Not a good thing.

You going to back that shit up or are you going to back the fuck down like a good boy who doesn't know what he's talking about?

Havoc · #44 05-09-2011, 01:45 PM

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I REALLY don't want to turn this into a morals/ethics debate, but I maintain that just because something feels good, it doesn't mean it should be done. Beating the crap out of your brother in the name of "justice" may feel rewarding, but then you have to go to jail for it.

That doesn't even make sense. Unless beating your brother up is an instinct these days.

Yeah rape comes from that instinct too, back when we were living in caves I doubt the men asked around the caves till they found someone willing to mate. They just took whom they wanted.

Doesn't make it okay in this day and age, but it goes to show how strong that mating instinct still is.

Lord Stanley · #45 05-09-2011, 01:58 PM

Since I don't believe cavemen ever existed, that argument doesn't hold any sway with me. I am just using that "hate for your brother" argument to show how sin works. An instinct can be strong (rape) or fleeting (whack your brother.) It can be small (cuss someone in your head) or great (murder someone).

Lord Stanley · #46 05-09-2011, 02:01 PM

In response to Wings of Fire's comment...What do you think motivates rape, if not an impulsive sexual desire?

Sorry about double posting, I hadn't noticed WoF's comment.

Havoc · #47 05-09-2011, 02:31 PM

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Since I don't believe cavemen ever existed

Well there's your problem.

JennyGenesis · #48 05-09-2011, 02:56 PM

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In response to Wings of Fire's comment...What do you think motivates rape, if not an impulsive sexual desire?

Sexual frustration?

I bet there have been times where you have been alone and horny and thought to yourself "Oh I wish I could have someone right now" every person has that moment.

Manco · #49 05-09-2011, 02:56 PM

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I maintain that just because something feels good, it doesn't mean it should be done. Beating the crap out of your brother in the name of "justice" may feel rewarding, but then you have to go to jail for it.

The difference here is that sex is not inherently bad, but it can lead to bad consequences (rape, abandonment of a child/pregnant woman) if proper self-control is not exercised.

Assault is generally not okay in any circumstance.

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Also, extreme sexual desires oftentimes leads to rape. Not a good thing.

Correction: mental instability oftentimes leads to rape. Not a good argument.

Lord Stanley · #50 05-09-2011, 03:47 PM

I didn't say that sex is inherently bad. It's how life is created! It's a blessing! The problem is when it's misused, as in the examples OddHunter gave.

But in response to JennyGenesis, just because you're alone and feel like being sexual doesn't mean you should give in to the desire. There should be a balance, a self-control.

Manco · #51 05-09-2011, 03:59 PM

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But in response to JennyGenesis, just because you're alone and feel like being sexual doesn't mean you should give in to the desire. There should be a balance, a self-control.

Are you trying to start an argument over whether or not rape is justifiable? Because I'm pretty sure no-one is saying that it is.

Lord Stanley · #52 05-09-2011, 04:12 PM

I don't want to start a debate over that, since I think we could all agree that rape is nonjustifiable, mental condition or not. Even insane people must be sentenced.

For the record, that's why Batman fails. Just because Joker is insane, it doesn't mean you just imprison him. He should be executed; he killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people.

enchilado · #53 05-09-2011, 04:15 PM

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For the record, that's why Batman fails. Just because Joker is insane, it doesn't mean you just imprison him. He should be executed; he killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people.

Oh, fuck off.

Lord Stanley · #54 05-09-2011, 04:17 PM

You approve of Joker killing thousands of people and simply being imprisoned? We all love the character, but his crimes are inexcusable.

OddjobAbe · #55 05-09-2011, 04:21 PM

Fuck. His crimes were fictitious. And I'm not even going to get started on the death penalty.

Lord Stanley · #56 05-09-2011, 04:24 PM

It may have started out as a way to keep from making the little kids think they were being mean to Joker, but once it became an adult franchise ("The Dark Knight," etc.) the Joker should have been executed. A man who blows other people up for fun is hardly a man that should just be PUT BACK IN THE ASYLUM FOR THE TWENTIETH TIME.

Wings of Fire · #57 05-09-2011, 04:29 PM

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In response to Wings of Fire's comment...What do you think motivates rape, if not an impulsive sexual desire?

Sorry about double posting, I hadn't noticed WoF's comment.

Many many things, but the biggest factor seems to be a predisposition towards dominance. How horny you are doesn't even factor in to how likely you are to rape someone because normal people will not cross moral boundaries based on how much they want something.

It's exactly like saying pedophiles are potential child molestors. Same bullshit argument with the same bullshit fallacies.

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It may have started out as a way to keep from making the little kids think they were being mean to Joker, but once it became an adult franchise ("The Dark Knight," etc.) the Joker should have been executed. A man who blows other people up for fun is hardly a man that should just be PUT BACK IN THE ASYLUM FOR THE TWENTIETH TIME.

oh my god

BATMAN

BATMAN

Do your research on the character kay?

OddjobAbe · #58 05-09-2011, 04:31 PM

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It may have started out as a way to keep from making the little kids think they were being mean to Joker, but once it became an adult franchise ("The Dark Knight," etc.) the Joker should have been executed. A man who blows other people up for fun is hardly a man that should just be PUT BACK IN THE ASYLUM FOR THE TWENTIETH TIME.

I think that you should concentrate on the real world. This film is insignificant.

And if this was a real case, due to multiple reasons, I do not believe that the man should be murdered. I do not intend to get started on the death penalty, however.

enchilado · #59 05-09-2011, 04:31 PM

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It may have started out as a way to keep from making the little kids think they were being mean to Joker, but once it became an adult franchise ("The Dark Knight," etc.) the Joker should have been executed. A man who blows other people up for fun is hardly a man that should just be PUT BACK IN THE ASYLUM FOR THE TWENTIETH TIME.

If you rave about what should have happened in Batman when trying seriously to prove a point, you will fail.

By the way, do you mind me asking why you choose to be Christian? And why you think believing in something crazy with no evidence is a reason to be proud?

Lord Stanley · #60 05-09-2011, 04:32 PM

Exactly: the way that these people show their dominance is by following this impulsive desire, thus fulfilling multiple parts of their sinful desires at once.

Actually, I don't believe Joker should be murdered. He should stand trial for his crimes, be found guilty, and be painlessly but swiftly executed. Since it's purely fiction, it's a hypothetical example.