Mods suck sometimes, you know?

[OANST]

At the end of the day I infracted OANST not for this specific thread but because I have seen him spamming a lot recently, earning himself more threads on the first page of Necrum than MeechShrykull, which is not anything to boast about.

You have? That's interesting seeing as I've only been on a few times in the past four months. Examples, please?

[GlacierDragon]

I don't know anyone who's experienced rape but I see it as a sensitive subject and anyone joking about it risks offending/upsetting other members, which is something that we as a forum should want to avoid.
I'm not against light-hearted or joking threads in general (it's why we have threads like 'Mod Survivor Island' and 'Bits and Pieces' and so on, but I really think the Rape thing goes to far.

Amen to that.

[OANST]

Amen to that.

You are a valued member of this society. Keep up the good work.

[T-nex]

What's offensive and what's not is merely objective though.... I really do believe Oanst's thread was meant to be taken really lighthearted. That people decided to take it in the wrong direction isn't really his fault.

And you should know by now... Anything coming from Oanst, shouldn't be taken seriously... (Although I must still remind myself of this sometimes).

It's unlucky that he chose such a sensitive area. Some people really did get offended I guess.

But then again... I'm not really surprised the thread got closed. It is a taboo-subject. But personally, I wish for the days where people can discuss anything freely with anyone. I mean, if we get to the state where discussions(lighthearted or not) about taboo-subjects are fine and you can joke about it... I bet some people wont feel as bad talking about their own, less fortunate experiences, which might lead to more incidents getting reported to the police.
All this is just a guess of mine though.

[Wings of Fire]

You are a valued member of this society. Keep up the good work.

I think the main two problems with the rape thread was that it could have been construed to be a deliberately controversial thread, made for the sake of laughing at peoples reactions (At which point it would become a flame war and need to be closed) or a spam thread (And given your last two threads this would not have surprised me) which it became.

Also as a side note; where the fuck do personal attacks into Max's social life come into this? I did a quick comparison of MF's profile and postbit compared to that of banned members (Codek, Dino) and noticed that banned members have NO rep power and their posts cannot be repped, MF does not fit either category so I would assume he isn't banned.

Argumentum ad Hominum: a personal attack on the opposition instead of attacking his argument. This fallacy of logic makes it look like you have no decent counter argument against Max.

And you should know by now... Anything coming from Oanst, shouldn't be taken seriously...

So he should be excused for all he does, purely on the basis it isn't vindictive?

[T-nex]

So he should be excused for all he does, purely on the basis it isn't vindictive?

No... What I'm saying is that people should get over this. My opinion on the thread staying or being closed is neither for or against...
But people should Just accept whatever outcome, cos I'm sure the forum is heavily divided on this subject.
I'm all for discussing anything as long as it's not actual harmful content. But some people aren't. Fine.. I don't think that thread was needed. But it would have been a tiny bit revolutionary. I guess.
His intent was purely comical. But many people don't share that lighthearted view on things. Which is ok. We're all different.

But all this uproar is just getting silly

[used:)]

But I assume there’s a genuine concern of yours over how the thread was handled, or else I’m once again finding potential in what people say where there is none, in which case what is this but a metathread for people mourning that they can’t list the people they want to rape?

Whatever. Fine, there was. You were just doing your job, and it's not like we'll move it back to OTD seeing how it's become an actual discussion.

Last thing. Nice job with the conspiracy to ban a member by the name of Mutual Friend just because Max's relationship soured with him. Nice work, Max. Fuck you.

So that's where he's been!

Where does audacity enter into it? Your choice of rhetoric confuses me.

You're right. I can't speak my own language . What I meant is that I thought it was a little bit funny how a Mod cleans up a mess I made that had some pretty anti-Mod sentiments.

And to make things clear, I didn't mean to make a point against the mods by making this thread, though knowing this forum, I should have been smart enough to predict the kind of rebound I'd get with the way I phrased some things and just for making the thread at all.

[Strike Witch]

Internet= SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[OANST]

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Yes. Point taken.

I think the main two problems with the rape thread was that it could have been construed to be a deliberately controversial thread, made for the sake of laughing at peoples reactions (At which point it would become a flame war and need to be closed) or a spam thread (And given your last two threads this would not have surprised me) which it became.?

To be honest, I really just wanted to make a new thread. In the 24 hours before I made that thread there were only three threads (please, I want to stop saying thread) in off topic that had new posts. I was bored and couldn't think of anything very interesting. So, I made a semi-funny thread. I didn't intend for anyone to get offended. I guess I sometimes forget that people aren't always as nonchalant about things as I am. I did make one other stupid thread like this before but the one before that was meant to be serious. I didn't intend that to become a spamfest. It just sort of happened. The new forum game is no different from Oddtour thread. I was merely letting people know that a forum member has been staying with me. The thread degenerated before I could say who, however.

Also as a side note; where the fuck do personal attacks into Max's social life come into this? I did a quick comparison of MF's profile and postbit compared to that of banned members (Codek, Dino) and noticed that banned members have NO rep power and their posts cannot be repped, MF does not fit either category so I would assume he isn't banned.Argumentum ad Hominum: a personal attack on the opposition instead of attacking his argument. This fallacy of logic makes it look like you have no decent counter argument against Max.

I was not making a personal attack on Max. My point is, if he is willing to bring his personal feelings about someone that he pseudo-dated for a bit into the forums and try to get all the mods to ban him (I read your thread in Employee Lounge, Nate. Figure that one out.) then I have no interest in what he thinks is good eticate. I didn't bring his personal life into anything. I merely have a problem with the way he has carried himself as a mod and don't feel I should give a shit about his opinion. He brought his own personal shit here.

In the end, yes. About 60 percent of my posts are silly and/or trollish. But when the majority of the mods are giving you good rep for them you can't honestly say that I should be expecting infractions.

[T-nex]

Kind of reminds me of the whole Saddam Hussein deal...

[OANST]

Listen, if you guys want to ban me I would appreciate if you just got it over with. I mean, Christ. You are so fucking fickle. One minute I'm in fashion. The next I'm treated as the worst thing to happen to this place. Make up your minds.

[Alcar]

I said I wouldn't weigh into this, but being the slightly drunk (read: trashed) individual I am, I don't particularly have a problem.

But just for the record, Mutual Friend was never banned.

Alcar...

[OANST]

I said I wouldn't weigh into this, but being the slightly drunk (read: trashed) individual I am, I don't particularly have a problem.

But just for the record, Mutual Friend was never banned.

Alcar...

I know that. Doesn't change the fact that the idea was extensively considered for no reason other than Max's falling out with him.

[Wil]

Mutual Friend was never banned, and I never called for his banning. I never let my relationship with him affect my judgement of his posts. Yes, I used Employee Lounge to rant about him, but he was PMing my friends accusing them of being swayed by some sermon of MF‐hate I was delivering to them in his own little world. (I read PMs sent neither by nor to me. Figure that one out.) I find it incredible this is coming up now, and I really hope he’s over it by now. And yes, we know someone showed MF the thread in question.

Wired has been maintained as someone to start WDYLL threads and other institutionalized topics. There are no pretences that he is some autonomous member. The people whose faces in which this is the biggest slap will be those that started and maintained him for original practical joke, who have all left. It’s still against the rules, but it’s now avoiding all the reasons we have to ban multis in the first place.

My point is, if he is willing to bring his personal feelings about someone that he pseudo-dated for a bit into the forums and try to get all the mods to ban him (I read your thread in Employee Lounge, Nate. Figure that one out.) then I have no interest in what he thinks is good eticate.

Well I didn’t, so you needn’t work hard at keeping up all that shit not giving. And the only mod giving you rep for trollish posts is Hobo.

[OANST]

Mutual Friend was never banned, and I never called for his banning. I never let my relationship with him affect my judgement of his posts. Yes, I used Employee Lounge to rant about him, but he was PMing my friends accusing them of being swayed by some sermon of MF‐hate I was delivering to them in his own little world. (I read PMs sent neither by nor to me. Figure that one out.) I find it incredible this is coming up now, and I really hope he’s over it by now. And yes, we know someone showed MF the thread in question.

I showed him the thread. And it was not a ranting. It was a brainstorm on how to ban him and make it look like it wasn't what it was.

[Killy]

Listen, if you guys want to ban me I would appreciate if you just got it over with. I mean, Christ. You are so fucking fickle. One minute I'm in fashion. The next I'm treated as the worst thing to happen to this place. Make up your minds.

This is getting ridiculous, when did some of you guys turn into such drama queens? I honestly think some of you people need to consider new (read: better) ways of creating post-worthy threads in this forum - because guess what - this forum deserves better. If you actually think everyone wants to read your stupid, way-over-the-line-after-midnight-boredom-inspired-thread about raping people (this thread included) then hold up for a second, think again - because nobody wants that stuff around here.

Also, you're in fashion? Since when? You want a medal? You're a member, just like everyone else. Rules still apply. Deal with it. Quit bitching. Stop creating stupid threads.

Finally, used, this is an assfuck of a thread - if you want to whine about mods and their decisions, take it over PM. Both you and oanst are being utterly disrespectful - you see eachother's bitching as an excuse to grab pitchforks. Grow up.

[OANST]

Also, you're in fashion? Since when? You want a medal? You're a member, just like everyone else. Rules still apply. Deal with it. Quit bitching. Stop creating stupid threads.

It's an expression. My point is that everyone thinks it's funny and then they don't. I can't keep up, is all.

[Killy]

It's an expression. My point is that everyone thinks it's funny and then they don't. I can't keep up, is all.

Yeah, an expression. I bet every "expression" is reason enough for you to start a bitch-session.

[OANST]

Yeah, an expression. I bet every "expression" is reason enough for you to start a bitch-session.

I don't even know what you mean by that.

[Killy]

I don't even know what you mean by that.

Probably cause you're too busy thinking of new ways to troll.

But here, a hint;

I actually got a fucking warning from the rpg mod for that thread. Is that even possible. Oh, yeah. Fuck you, Splat.

[Alcar]

I showed him the thread. And it was not a ranting. It was a brainstorm on how to ban him and make it look like it wasn't what it was.

The only thread where we really discussed MF was the General Business thread, of which only pertained to the deliberation between staff over the decision to award him a custom title.

That, and you don't have access to EL. Which only raises further questions...

Alcar...

[OANST]

Probably cause you're too busy thinking of new ways to troll.

But here, a hint;

Yes.......... Your previous sentence still doesn't make sense.




And Alcar, there was more disussed than that. I understand that people were sticking up for their friend but that was a bit dirty.

[Killy]

Yes.......... Your previous sentence still doesn't make sense.

Let's try again, shall we?

I bet every "expression" is reason enough for you to start a bitch-session.

reason enough for you to start a bitch-session.

for you to start a bitch-session.

to start a bitch-session.

a bitch-session.

[Alcar]

Of course, we all have our loyalties.

Although, if you have seen said thread, you'll know that my opinion of MF never changed regardless.

Alcar...

[Wings of Fire]

Killy; don't you think you're being just a bit too aggressive? We've already reached the conclusion that Oanst is usually a silly troll.

This thread is rapidly turning into a flame war.

[Killy]

Killy; don't you think you're being just a bit too aggressive? We've already reached the conclusion that Oanst is usually a silly troll.

You're probably right, there was no need for me to add to it. However, I still felt inclined to voice my opinion on this matter - it's disturbing to see this place degrade so rapidly, all due to the "contributions" of a select few.

Sorry about that.

[Alcar]

I don't like the train of thought that OANST is a troll. I know trolls. Hell, I've been a troll a few times! The OWF have always had a higher tolerance for intellectual 'trolls' (if you must), negating my years back attempt at Nazi overlord crack-down, of course.

We do give leniency to members, and perhaps we gave too much. It's unfair to suddenly turn around and spew what's been brewing all at once.

If anything, I'd like to see a positive outcome from this. At least a redefinition of the rules - and yes, I realise I'm a year or two behind in typing up the new rules, but that has never stopped us from enforcing new 'legislature' without it being added to the physical rules before.

EDIT: Just to reiterate, I found no problem with the 'who would you rape' thread, so long as it was properly moderated, I don't think it would have been anything more than a laugh. However, I don't think OANST should have responded the way he did. Swearing won't achieve anything, and I'm sure you know this OANST. But, of course, I cannot honestly say I would have acted any differently. Shame on me!

Alcar...

[OANST]

Let's try again, shall we?

I think you might be confused about what the word expression means.



Okay, I've been a bit unfair. Max never came out and said he wanted MF banned from what I saw. Other people did (Nate, in particular) but Max's relationship with him was used as the catalyst.

As for my response to Splat: I did not appreciate his patronizing pm accusing me of posthorrea and may have over reacted a bit. I never would have made a thread like this but I did take advantage of it after it was created. I have only been putting up about 2 to 5 posts a day for the most part and didn't really think I was being overly spammy. Apparently I was wrong.


To end. Yes, it was a shit thread. But it was a shit thread in which a mod posted in the spirit of the thread. Fun. It's difficult to see how it warranted an infraction from someone who isn't even an off topic mod.

[Wil]

I’m still not sure about any discussion of banning Mutual Friend, but I appreciate that you’ve refined your claim, OANST. It has always been the case that all mods can give warnings/infractions beyond their own area, and if we felt it was a bad thing we’d have stopped that ability before now.

If it’s the word ‘postorrhoea’ you find patronizing, then you should know it’s what ‘spam’ has been renamed (I believe inappropriately; it’s a word more suited to the posting behaviour of MeechShrykull1029 when he first joined). Al the same, the public objection is not appreciated. You can always take things to the next highest staff level.

I wish there were a way to word this all that didn’t sound so… pretentiously businesslike.

[Splat]

OANST, I apologise for sounding patronising; it wasn't my intention. My comment was rather flippant, yes; I was trying to be humerous, since that's the sort of thing I do, and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding that's escalated so much. I really didn't want things to blow up like this. Guess I'm too used to dealing with the nooblets we get in RPG and Fancorner and it didn't occur to me to deal with you any differently to how I have to deal with them, which is my fault. (Yes, mods suck sometimes, you know?)

And I agree with Max about the 'postorrhoea' term being inapropriate; I think we should deal with the infractions (other than insta-ban, which only happens to advert-bots) somewhat more seriously.

It was the 'favourite position' thread that bothered me firstly, which was clearly only ever going to be spam, and seeing a second thread by you, the rape one, which I felt was in a similar vein, I thought it was necessary to remind you of the rules. I spoke to Max in EL and he told me he should probably have not posted there until he saw where it went.
When it so obviously degraded to spam and nothing but, he agreed to close it. I'd suggested infracting you and he said it was my choice. I don't know if he considered the thread as bad to begin with as I did.

I don't expect you to get banned now; clearly this has had rather more than the impact I'd hoped. I just want people to remember that there's a difference between a funny post or thread, and a pointless or inappropriate one. This applies to everyone, not just OANST. There are several members who would benefit from remembering it.