I Have Just Seen... VII -

OANST · #**511** 08-21-2014, 11:09 AM

Yeah.... that's definitely not the version I saw.

Varrok · #**512** 08-21-2014, 11:25 AM

I'm currently reading about the version differences and the circumstances of making the movie. This is interesting:

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In the renegade version, a documentary following the film has the filmmakers explain why the original theatrical release contradicted the first film. According to them, the inflation in Argentina had risen so high during filming that the film's insurance company started to take creative control, and made a film they thought would make the most money.

'Christopher Lambert' was so disgusted with the re-written script that he wanted to drop out of production, but due to contractual obligation he was forced to finish the film.

During the course of filming Christopher Lambert cut his finger to the bone in the first sword fighting scene and Michael Ironside dislodged his jaw in the dome fight.

The director disliked the theatrical cut so much, he left the premiere after only 15 minutes.

There are many things in original H2 script that make me believe the script made sense and would made a good movie if the Argentinian Insurance Company didn't mess it all up

Example:

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The original script explained very clearly why Conner and Ramirez were immortal on Earth when they were sentenced.

JUDGE : I sentence you to exile from Zeist. You will be transported to the planet Earth. Each of you to a different time and place. There to be reborn. Once you have grown to the age you are now, time itself will take on a new meaning for you. One year on Earth is like one day on our planet. So on Earth you will be immortal. Furthermore, your memory of this planet and your lives here will be gone. Until the time of the Gathering. (Page 9 of the HIGHLANDER II script)

Retcon? Yes. But it explains why MacLeod and Sean Connery acted like they didn't know each other in the first movie. The second movie doesn't explain that at all.

Edit: Here's the original script:
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/highlander_2.pdf
It makes more sense than the movie.

OANST · #**513** 08-21-2014, 12:07 PM

It still seems bad, but certainly not the type of bad that it ended up being. Making the series more sci-fi like just seems like a bad decision all around. Weirdly enough, I think the television series captured the tone of the first movie best. I used to watch that show religiously when I was in high school.

Varrok · #**514** 08-21-2014, 12:11 PM

Yes, I understand that the sci-fi is a weird choice and I like the original direction much more. But whatever, I wasn't gonna take the sequel seriously. I'm just saying that they're not as stupid, impulsive, completely bullshit decisions as you would believe after watching the movie.

I'm not sure whether to watch other films and tv series.

Wings of Fire · #**515** 08-21-2014, 12:46 PM

Highlander is basically the perfect movie and I actually don't want to watch or read anything related to it because it's kind of my sacred cow.

Mac Sirloin · #**516** 08-21-2014, 05:21 PM

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Need to catch up on AT, stopped somewhere in season 4 and I can't say why. Well, I did think the back story was getting a little convoluted but maybe I just got burnt and sick from how much I watched it last year.

Oh, and does anyone here watch Veep? Cause you should, the newest season is brilliant, might be the best TV I've watched all year. Absolutely hilarious and a little bit disturbing near the end. It's certainly starting to come into its own as a great mix of crude black comedy and political drama. So excited for season 4.

Veep is amazing. I started watching it after each episode of Season 3 of GoT and quickly just started tuning in for Veep specifically. Dave Foley as the (swedish?) groping Diplomat was just hilarious.

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There are some really good episodes in Season 5. The ending of Lemonhope Part 2 absolutely broke me to pieces.

Yeah, the Lemongrabs are without a doubt my favourite part of the show. They're just so off. Justin Roiland's amazingly shrill voice also makes pretty much anything they say stand out.

***Nate*** · #**517** 08-21-2014, 11:14 PM

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Yeah, the Lemongrabs are without a doubt my favourite part of the show. They're just so off. Justin Roiland's amazingly shrill voice also makes pretty much anything they say stand out.

Oh, I can't stand the Lemongrabs, Lemonhope included. But that song and the visuals with it were really affecting.

OANST · #**518** 08-22-2014, 09:23 AM

I really recommend watching The Leftovers. The show is way beyond strange, but it's also very beautiful, and very sad. It's odd that it's as much fun to watch as it, seeing that the central theme of the show seems to be depression, despair, and loss. But it is. Every episode is fascinating, and it keeps getting better.

Holy Sock · #**519** 09-03-2014, 04:08 AM

Caught up with The Leftovers. I have to very much agree with OANST. I wasn't entirely sold after the first couple of episodes but I think it grows more confident as it goes along. And it's stand alone episodes are particularly strong.

OANST · #**520** 09-03-2014, 08:58 AM

Yeah, I loved the ones that centered on a single character. Those were great.

Holy Sock · #**521** 09-03-2014, 09:38 AM

Also, I really love the score.

That scene between Nora & Holy Wayne being a great example of how weell the score works for this show

OANST · #**522** 09-03-2014, 09:41 AM

Oh, god, I love the music in the show. It's really beautifully done.

I wasn't all that interested in The Guilty Remnant cult for about the first half of the season, but they really found a way to make them feel like they are an important part of this world during the second half. Unfortunately, the Holy Wayne cult has definitely taken a back seat. Hoping to see more of them in the finale this Sunday.

Holy Sock · #**523** 09-03-2014, 10:04 AM

I do like this idea that cults have become a much more prevalent and dangerous part of the post-Deprature world. I also want to see more of the ATFC.

I have a feeling that Holy Wayne will meet his demise on Sunday considering his belief that his death is imminent. Which is a shame since, as you've said, they've taken a back seat in the story.

But I'm interested in seeing if they tie in with the rest of the storyline. Especially considering Holy Wayne's cult is essentially the opposite of the GR's MO.

OANST · #**524** 09-03-2014, 10:27 AM

I actually thought that Holy Wayne was the leader of the GR in the first episode. I just thought that the dressed in white, silent people were the face of his cult, the soldiers. It wasn't until the next episode that I realized they were completely different cults.

Holy Sock · #**525** 09-03-2014, 10:44 AM

I initially thought the obvious ending, for Season 1, was going to be that the Departures returned - largely because photographs included well known actors. But then we had that flashback episode and I'm thinking the show is never really going to delve into why they left and will always focus on "the leftovers" *wink**wank*

OANST · #**526** 09-03-2014, 10:51 AM

Yeah, I hope no one is holding their breath for an explanation of the departure. It clearly will never happen, and that's not really what the show is about anyway.

Holy Sock · #**527** 09-03-2014, 11:08 AM

Also, I imagine any explanation would be enormously unsatisfying.

MeechMunchie · #**528** 09-03-2014, 02:55 PM

I'm four episodes in to Series 1 of Utopia, and it's pretty great.

Holy Sock · #**529** 09-03-2014, 03:21 PM

Hurrah! A convert! I thought episode 3 was very strong.

Mr. Bungle · #**530** 09-03-2014, 08:44 PM

Never heard of The Leftovers, but it sounds like my kinda thing. Where can I watch it?

Oh, and I've been watching King of the Hill again recently. Loved it as a kid and it's only gotten better with age. Some of the best dry humour in an adult cartoon, and at times one of the most touching shows I've seen. It really knew how to balance realism and surreality, as well as being emotionally compelling without any extra cheese.

The ending of the episode where Bobby and Hank enter a gun competition brought a tear to my eye, not gonna lie.

***Nate*** · #**531** 09-03-2014, 10:47 PM

I haven't seen The Leftovers other than the trailer, but I want to ask a question. From the trailer, it seems like the writers are consciously avoiding referring to it as the Rapture and having characters consider it as a good thing. Is that true within the show or just a poor guess from the trailer?

Holy Sock · #**532** 09-04-2014, 03:03 AM

It's a bit of an issue within the show's world. The show actually does a great job at portraying the different type of long term reactions you'd get after such a miraculous event. But the Depature, as it's called, doesn't really seem like it was a good thing for any of the main characters involved - unless I'm remembering incorrectly. But some people in the post-Departure world, obviously, have been able to capitalise off it.

In the town where it's set the priest character, Matt, is essentially going around trying to prove that it wasn't the Rapture - since a lot of the people taken were actually bad people, or did very sinful things in their lifetime.

OANST · #**533** 09-04-2014, 08:07 AM

It is presented as not being The Rapture. That's pretty much the only definitive thing about The Departure that they try to get across.

OANST · #**534** 09-08-2014, 07:47 AM

No one has posted in here for a while, so excuse the double post.

Season finale of The Leftovers was beautiful, and horrifying. It was directed very similarly to the first episode, feeling almost like self contained films of their own instead of just pieces of a season of television. It's hard to discuss the show without discussing spoilers, but I really can't recommend watching it enough. It's not a perfect show, but it captures its themes perfectly, and the direction, performances, and music are breathtaking. Everyone is amazing in it, but you Brits will probably most easily recognize Christopher Eccleston, and the guy who plays the boss on Peep Show as Holy Wayne. Their characters are both really high points of the show.

MeechMunchie · #**535** 09-08-2014, 11:19 AM

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No one has posted in here for a while, so excuse the double post.

Who are you, and what have you done with Mat.

OANST · #**536** 09-08-2014, 11:30 AM

I devoured him from the inside, and wear his skin like an ill fitting mask. My name is Steve.

Varrok · #**537** 09-08-2014, 12:04 PM

Well, they say you are what you eat, so I'll act like nothing happened.

Manco · #**538** 09-08-2014, 05:54 PM

ban steve for account sharing

Phylum · #**539** 09-09-2014, 01:10 AM

I watched The Way Way Back for a second time. I'd forgotten how full of stereotypes it was, but I'd equally forgotten why I enjoyed it so much the first time. It's a well put together movie, and you can't help but feel good watching it.

The characters are well done, and the guy that plays Duncan does an immaculate job. I can't imagine ever seeing him in any other role now. To me he'll always be that awkward, lanky boy with no social skills. Steve Carell was a really convincing asshole, too.

It's really worth watching, even though it's not as brilliant as I remember.

Holy Sock · #**540** 09-09-2014, 02:10 AM

Watched the Leftovers finale last night. Was pretty good! I thought it was very interesting that the writers took the episode in an unexpected direction for the majority of it. Justin Theroux was also rather impressive.

Also, I hear they've essentially exhausted all the book material so I do wonder whre the show will go from here...