Abe HD Ideas -

Spooce-aholic · #**511** 11-16-2011, 09:37 PM

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I tried imagining what it would be like.

I proceeded to pass out, crack my skull on a table as I fell, and was rushed into an ambulance which crashed on the way to the hospital, and burned to death in an inferno of car wreckages.

It’s a bad idea.

You get to the end of AO, you've saved enough Mudokons to get the good ending.

Abe is standing on a stage with Big Face, a whole crowd of Mudokons are cheering for Abe, Abe farts, then Big Face pats him in the back too hard, he falls on the ground, the Weirdos talk to Abe in a vision, telling him to go to Necrum Mines, Abe brings a group of Mudokons, they eventually find Necrum Mines, then AE starts.

It's not that hard to imagine.

Phylum · #**512** 11-16-2011, 10:58 PM

He never said it was hard to imagine. He said it was a stupid idea.

enchilado · #**513** 11-16-2011, 11:00 PM

No one said it was hard to imagine.

EDIT: Phylum is a speedy shit.

Michael · #**514** 11-17-2011, 08:49 AM

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They're gonna make changes to fit the new format and to make the game more attractive to modern tastes. They may even change the plot somewhat.

There have been a lot of tweets by Abe saying that he has a meech hidden in RF and that Molluck shouldn't find out. It seems heavily implied this is something to do with Abe HD. Maybe the plotline will be more like the original AO movie plans? If the plan is to effectively start from scratch, why not have Abe begin without powers and speech, then develop them as time progresses? Abe's journey would have a lot more effect and meaning to see him develop both as a character and in terms of gameplay.

Sekto Springs · #**515** 11-17-2011, 09:40 AM

When Abe was a worker for Rupture Farms, he didn't actually understand the magnitude of the Meech extinction. He was raised from birth to think of them as food animals and nothing more. I always got the impression that when he passed the Meech poster and got all glum, he was lamenting the loss of Meech Munchies, not the Meeches themselves.

If they add a story arc where Abe is hoarding a Meech in secret, it better be because he plans on eating it.

Admiral Zaarin · #**516** 11-17-2011, 09:58 AM

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There have been a lot of tweets by Abe saying that he has a meech hidden in RF and that Molluck shouldn't find out.

This sounds pointless. Abe "thought he had a good job" and was quite ignorant when he worked at RF. Why would he even care about meeches? Also it's hard to imagine how he could technically "hide" these apparently violent creatures in RuptureFarms while avoiding being detected. During his escape he obviously had no time to think about things like that.

STM · #**517** 11-17-2011, 11:28 AM

I actually agree, why the hell would Abe give a flying fuck about the meeches before he's enlightened via big face, he doesn't even know he has to save anyone buy himself and the mudokons before he splits his head.

***Wil*** · #**518** 11-18-2011, 01:43 AM

Abe worked as a floor waxer. Maybe if he saw what they actually did to the creatures his opinion would be different.

***Nate*** · #**519** 11-18-2011, 03:15 AM

Besides, keeping a pack animal like a Meech on its own in an enclosed space would be cruel.

I hope Abe isn't cruel.

Glitch · #**520** 11-18-2011, 07:22 AM

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Besides, keeping a pack animal like a Meech on its own in an enclosed space would be cruel.

I hope Abe isn't cruel.

Domestication has to start somewhere.

Sekto Springs · #**521** 11-18-2011, 09:17 AM

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Abe worked as a floor waxer. Maybe if he saw what they actually did to the creatures his opinion would be different.

Was he exclusively a floor waxer his whole life? I figured slaves did whatever work was given to them, and Abe just happened to carve out a niche in floor waxing.

I'm sure he's given the floors of the main slaughterhouse a once-over. I'd be surprised if he hasn't witnessed some level of animal cruelty. Even so, for Abe to hoard a Meech would be like me hoarding a cow. Only the cow is a deadly, carnivorous maw of teeth that will kill me as soon as look at me and my superiors will grind me into slurry if they find out I have it. There doesn't seem to be an up-side.

Admiral Zaarin · #**522** 11-18-2011, 11:13 AM

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Abe worked as a floor waxer. Maybe if he saw what they actually did to the creatures his opinion would be different.

I'm almost certain that he was quite aware of their technological process (slaughtering etc.) but still it didn't bother him. For Abe those creatures were no more than raw material for making food untill Bigface told him that RuptureFarms actually severely damaged local ecosystem.

Sekto Springs · #**523** 11-18-2011, 11:25 AM

That's kind of what I think. He's been working in that environment since birth. Cruelty and hardship are part of his day-to-day life. After so many years of seeing his friends being beaten and animals being slaughtered, it stands to reason he wouldn't bat an eye.

Admiral Zaarin · #**524** 11-18-2011, 11:36 AM

Oh, sorry, I've edited my previous post so the sence may have been disrupted.

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That's kind of what I think. He's been working in that environment since birth. Cruelty and hardship are part of his day-to-day life. After so many years of seeing his friends being beaten and animals being slaughtered, it stands to reason he wouldn't bat an eye.

I completely agree. And he had absolutely no time to think about ecological problems or something like that. Normally people don't think of "higher substances" while living (or more appropriately - surviving) in conditions like that.

Michael · #**525** 11-20-2011, 01:16 PM

These are all fair points! But even if Abe was accustomed to cruelty and consumerism, there would be nothing to suggest he didn't have enough sense to realise that the extinction of a race was a bad thing! He might have overheard glukkons talking about the 'last meech' in the same way he overhears the mudokon pops board meeting.

Whether his motives at the time would be in line with Abe's personalty as we know him now is unclear. Perhaps Abe's eyes were just naturally a little more open to morality than the others? It is clear from the games so far that most Industrialised Mudokons are complacent and passive. Considering his spiritual significance and destiny, I think it's more than plausible that Abe always had some form of altruism, despite his upbringing, able to understand concepts greater than what he was taught.

If Abe did hoard a meech somehow, if it was for the greater good of saving a species I think we can forgive the 'cruelty' of his actions!

Admiral Zaarin, bear in mind that Abe also 'thought he had a good job' when he was witnessing his fellow muds being beaten all the time, and no doubt being beaten himself! Perhaps he was speaking in terms of floor waxing being better than scrubbing meat grinders. It's definitely safer

Andrelvis · #**526** 11-20-2011, 02:07 PM

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Besides, keeping a pack animal like a Meech on its own in an enclosed space would be cruel.

I hope Abe isn't cruel.

Meeches are pack animals? How do we know that?

gishygleb · #**527** 11-20-2011, 08:38 PM

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Meeches are pack animals? How do we know that?

That is complicated. Video from AO said.

***Nate*** · #**528** 11-21-2011, 12:57 AM

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Meeches are pack animals? How do we know that?

From here.

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Q: I was wondering if you could add a web poll to your site? Also, what do (or did) Meeches look like?

Alf: I'll see what I can do about the web poll. I have personally never seen a Meech, either first hand or in photographs. Some say they looked like small hairy pancakes that left trails of sticky mucous on the ground. Legend has it that on any given day, one could witness swarms of Meeches squirming by the millions over the placid fields of Mudos.

EDIT: Also this and this.
EDIT EDIT: And this one too.

I should get paid for this.

***Wil*** · #**529** 11-21-2011, 01:22 AM

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I should get paid for this.

For reading what I spent ages writing?

***Nate*** · #**530** 11-21-2011, 01:29 AM

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For reading what I spent ages writing?

For spending minutes - MINUTES, I SAY! - trawling through the oddworld.com archives and finding the various sources.

Glitch · #**531** 11-21-2011, 08:02 AM

If Nate is getting paid I want to get paid

***Wil*** · #**532** 11-21-2011, 08:15 AM

You are getting paid.

MeechMunchie · #**533** 11-21-2011, 10:08 AM

Nate is paid in love.

In addition to his actual job.

Admiral Zaarin · #**534** 11-21-2011, 10:14 AM

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Admiral Zaarin, bear in mind that Abe also 'thought he had a good job' when he was witnessing his fellow muds being beaten all the time, and no doubt being beaten himself! Perhaps he was speaking in terms of floor waxing being better than scrubbing meat grinders. It's definitely safer

Yes, that is true but it doesn't change the situation. Furthermore Abe wouldn't have risked his "good job" for saving some meeches. Abe definitely realized that if he weren't immediately shot upon being caught concealing livestock he would have the most dangerous and humiliating job possible in RuptureFarms which would most likely end up in a gruesome death far worse than just being shot.

Also I can't see how and where Abe could technically hide meeches. Meeches are wild predatory creatures after all. Besides he must have hidden a considerable number of them to be able to restore the population (several specimens hidden in RF without professional handling and overwatch == extinct).

Sekto Springs · #**535** 11-21-2011, 12:18 PM

People love Nate? Since when?

MeechMunchie · #**536** 11-21-2011, 12:24 PM

I'm so young and innocent I forgot that he was supposed to be the unpopular one.

I love everybody!

Andrelvis · #**537** 11-21-2011, 05:20 PM

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From here.

EDIT: Also this and this.
EDIT EDIT: And this one too.

I should get paid for this.

Thanks a bunch!

enchilado · #**538** 11-21-2011, 11:29 PM

I thought everybody loved Nate.

Glitch · #**539** 11-22-2011, 01:10 AM

Seriously, when am I getting paid?

enchilado · #**540** 11-22-2011, 01:30 AM

PM me your credit card details and I’ll give you five bucks.