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Anonyman! · #**481** 08-14-2009, 10:51 AM

Hm. Name another religion, Nemo, that doesn't have ANY of those things.

edit: Religions are philosophies but philosophies aren't religions.

LIKE THE SQUARE AND THE RECTANGLE

Nemo · #**482** 08-14-2009, 10:55 AM

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Hm. Name another religion, Nemo, that doesn't have ANY of those things.

Sorry, arguments don't work that way. If you'd like to tell me that Satanism isn't a religion, you have to show that it isn't a religion, not that there are no other religions like it.

I'm not sure, though, but I've been told that the Temple of Set is atheistic as well. I can't be positive of whether or not that's true.

OANST · #**483** 08-14-2009, 11:00 AM

The definition of religion is: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Satanism is not that. Sorry. It doesn't get to be a religion just because you want it to.

Nemo · #**484** 08-14-2009, 11:07 AM

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The definition of religion is: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Satanism is not that. Sorry. It doesn't get to be a religion just because you want it to.

Cause: There is none.
Nature: Depends on what you want to say "Nature of the universe" means.
Purpose: There is none.

Sorry, but I've defended my religion using that definition before. You're going to need something better than that.

OANST · #**485** 08-14-2009, 11:10 AM

I'm really not. Everyone else realizes that you're just stubbornly defending something not worth defending. So, keep on keepin' on.

Nemo · #**486** 08-14-2009, 11:12 AM

And you keep living in your No True Scotsman world.

And Anonyman can keep on Appealing to Popularity.

Mac Sirloin · #**487** 08-14-2009, 11:15 AM

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And you keep living in your No True Scotsman world.

And Anonyman can keep on Appealing to Popularity.

When in doubt, don't create arguments of your own! Just make yourself look cool by using links!

Oh, wait...

EDIT: Goddammit, reading this page over makes you look like such a fucking hypocrite.

"Santa r kool, u no like stan??/ ur rong"

OANST · #**488** 08-14-2009, 11:19 AM

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And you keep living in your No True Scotsman world.

And Anonyman can keep on Appealing to Popularity.

Except that neither of us are doing that. In fact, if anyone is using the "no true Scotsman" defense it would be you. By saying that the established rules of what makes a religion a religion don't apply to you, you are attempting to rewrite the criteria to make it fit your need for something to be something that it is not.

Mac Sirloin · #**489** 08-14-2009, 11:23 AM

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Wait a second, if you fucked all of the women on Earth, and there are only 3 billion... what other 997 hundred billion creatures did you fuck? I THOUGHT YOU WERE AGAINST ZOOPHILIA YOU CONTRADICTORY TURD!

ABM

Yeah, I made a joke. And it obviously went right over your head. Thanks for the negrep, asshole.

Nemo · #**490** 08-14-2009, 11:27 AM

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Except that neither of us are doing that.

You, sir, are saying that No True Religion is atheistic. In the definition that you gave me, there was no mention that a god was required.

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In fact, if anyone is using the "no true Scotsman" defense it would be you. By saying that the established rules of what makes a religion a religion don't apply to you, you are attempting to rewrite the criteria to make it fit your need for something to be something that it is not.

I have shown that my religion does meet the criteria for being a religion, and you are throwing that away on the grounds that it doesn't have a god. Quit Moving the damn Goalposts.

Mac Sirloin · #**491** 08-14-2009, 11:30 AM

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I have shown that my religion does meet the criteria for being a religion, and you are throwing that away on the grounds that it doesn't have a god. If we actually believed in Satan, would you be happy with our claim that it is a religion? Would it please you so much if we thought we'd all go to hell after we died? Why does one little thing change whether or not Satanism is a religion?

Cogs in a machine. Remove certain elements from any religion and it sounds like bullshit.

OANST · #**492** 08-14-2009, 11:32 AM

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You, sir, are saying that No True Religion is atheistic. In the definition that you gave me, there was no mention that a god was required.

I have shown that my religion does meet the criteria for being a religion, and you are throwing that away on the grounds that it doesn't have a god. If we actually believed in Satan, would you be happy with our claim that it is a religion? Would it please you so much if we thought we'd all go to hell after we died? Why does one little thing change whether or not Satanism is a religion?

The definition of religion clearly states that religions contain explanations of those events as it pertains to a supernatural being or process.

Also, you have not shown that it meets those criteria. In fact, you have shown that it doesn't.

Wings of Fire · #**493** 08-14-2009, 11:36 AM

LaVeyan Satanism is a con set up to usurp Nietzschian values to take your money. It´s about as religious as my toilet bowl last night, post-laxative.

I laugh at your pretentious little pseudo-religion, I laugh long and hard like I laughed at the sheer idiocy of that cunt in the video you posted last year, you know, the one who didn´t know what he was saying and certainly didn´t understand the definition of a commandment.

Nemo · #**494** 08-14-2009, 11:36 AM

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The definition of religion clearly states that religions contain explanations of those events as it pertains to a supernatural being or process.

You know what "esp." means, right? It means "Especially." When used in a definition, it typically means that it usually pertains to whatever comes after it, but it isn't required.

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LaVeyan Satanism is a con set up to usurp Nietzschian values to take your money. It´s about as religious as my toilet bowl last night, post-laxative.

You know those corporate fat cats tryin' to steal your money, braaaaah. They're everywhere maaaaaaaaan. Satanism is just they're way of lullin' you into a false sense of security by telling you they ain't who they are even though it is what they are... Maaaaaaaaan.

Wings of Fire · #**495** 08-14-2009, 11:39 AM

Yeah, you don´t know who Nietzsche was.

OANST · #**496** 08-14-2009, 11:41 AM

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You know what "esp." means, right? It means "Especially." When used in a definition, it typically means that it usually pertains to whatever comes after it, but it isn't required.

You know those corporate fat cats tryin' to steal your money, braaaaah. They're everywhere maaaaaaaaan. Satanism is just they're way of lullin' you into a false sense of security by telling you they ain't who they are even though it is what they are... Maaaaaaaaan.

You are completely confused about what the word especially means. Especially as concerns it's use in definitions.

Nemo · #**497** 08-14-2009, 11:42 AM

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You are completely confused about what the word especially means. Especially as concerns it's use in definitions.

Sorry, didn't realize that they decided to be redundant and put in a word to just say "And this too."

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Yeah, you don´t know who Nietzsche was.

And you obviously don't realize that there is a difference between the religion and the Church.

Wings of Fire · #**498** 08-14-2009, 11:49 AM

So what? You´re an unorthodox Satanist from a whole branch of unorthodox Satanists?

Feel free to follow the words of LaVey if you want, but don´t pretent he didn´t steal them from somebody a million times cleverer than himself to make money.

Nemo · #**499** 08-14-2009, 11:50 AM

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Feel free to follow the words of LaVey if you want, but don´t pretent he didn´t steal them from somebody a million times cleverer than himself to make money.

You're so cute.

Wings of Fire · #**500** 08-14-2009, 11:52 AM

So I´ve been told.

***Xavier*** · #**501** 08-14-2009, 12:17 PM

Out of curiosity: Why does it matter if it's a religion or not?

And to Nemo, what elements of Satanism are making it more then a philosophy?

gee, I've read the Satanic Bible when I was 17 and I can't recall too much of it

Nemo · #**502** 08-14-2009, 12:24 PM

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Satanism begins with atheism. We begin with the universe and say, “It’s indifferent. There’s no God, there’s no Devil. No one cares!”

I think that sums up the religious elements well enough.

OANST · #**503** 08-14-2009, 12:28 PM

I think it doesn't. That is not a religious point of view.

Nemo · #**504** 08-14-2009, 12:31 PM

OANST, which is it? Are gods required for religions, or have nothing to do with religious thinking?

Havoc · #**505** 08-14-2009, 12:32 PM

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That bump a few miles back? Must have been the old rails.

Too subtle.

OANST · #**506** 08-14-2009, 12:33 PM

Saying that there are no gods doesn't make a person religious....... How could you possibly not know that?

Nemo · #**507** 08-14-2009, 12:34 PM

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Saying that there are no gods doesn't make a person religious....... How could you possibly not know that?

You're confusing atheism with antitheism.

Either way, I'm tired and hungry. Go on believing whatever the hell it is you believe. I really don't know anymore what you believe.

OANST · #**508** 08-14-2009, 12:37 PM

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You're confusing atheism with antitheism.

Mmmm. No, I'm not.

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Either way, I'm tired and hungry. Go on believing whatever the hell it is you believe. I really don't know anymore what you believe.

Oh. Well, let me remind you. I believe that Satanism isn't a religion. Because it isn't.

used:) · #**509** 08-14-2009, 12:59 PM

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I said I traveled through time how is this not clear.

Time travel won't be very useful without space travel. You think the Earth stays still? Timelord, ha!

Why is it called "Satanism" if you don't even worship Satan? You sound a lot closer to a nihilist. Atheism just means rejecting theism and includes explicit atheism which is pretty much the same thing as antitheism. Therefore, if you follow a doctrine that's about rejecting theism, it can't be classified as a fucking religion.

OANST · #**510** 08-14-2009, 01:06 PM

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Therefore, if you follow a doctrine that's about rejecting theism, it can't be classified as a fucking religion.

Well, they have obviously proven that they can classify that way. They're just douchebags for doing so.

Oh, and since Nemo seems to be so in love with this website on fallacious arguments, here's one for you, buddy.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s....html#needling