Good Ol' Fashioned God Debate -

STM · #**391** 07-23-2010, 07:57 AM

Shame, I was just thinking how good it was that you could actually structure a decent and intelligible come back. Paedophilia by God, probably not even possible since he is a spiritual influence in us.

***Alcar*** · #**392** 07-23-2010, 07:59 AM

Of course he is sweetie.

What are your thoughts on Zeus and the validity of Greek mythology? Hell, why not the Mayans too. What makes your religion the right one?

Alcar...

STM · #**393** 07-23-2010, 08:02 AM

In serousness, I don't believe he is a God nor do I believe that Greek mythology ever existed since the religion died. God would likely ensure that at least a handful still seriously believed in him. When Ba'al could not prove his existence. he ceased to exist. Sorry if I went away from topic there. To sum up. it doesn't exist.

Maybe I ask if you presume it is wrong for me to believe God (Christian) Allah and God (Jewish) are the same and therefore, I worship them all as one?

EDIT: I have to go no so PM me if you are interested.

Mac Sirloin · #**394** 07-23-2010, 08:05 AM

Is Scrabtrapman actually suggesting that his view of Christianity isn't too far off from the 'Faith fueled robot' that I warped into this thread some time ago, or am I giving him too much abstract thought credit?

Wings of Fire · #**395** 07-23-2010, 08:08 AM

I think Alcar is being a naughty anti-theist.

***Alcar*** · #**396** 07-23-2010, 08:08 AM

I specifically omitted Judaism and Islam for that reason.

You're not making sense. You don't believe Greek mythology existed because it died out? Read a history book. While you're at it, read the Bible.

Essentially, believing in one religion means that you disregard all others. Are you saying that the ancient Greeks were condemned to Hell simply for not believing in Christianity? Sounds like a forgiving God.

Alcar...

Josh · #**397** 07-23-2010, 08:22 AM

Ugh, i'm never using science as an argument again...

Let me put it this way: just because there is a universe, does not mean there is a God. Proper evidence or GTFO.

MeechMunchie · #**398** 07-23-2010, 08:30 AM

I want everybody reading this thread to go and watch The Man Who Sued God. It's anti-theism for people who can't be bothered to pick up a book. The titular man is actually quite a nice bloke who doesn't have anything against religion (just the use of intangible deities as excuses), so I can see it appealing to a few people here.

Mac Sirloin · #**399** 07-23-2010, 08:53 AM

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Ugh, i'm never using science as an argument again...

Let me put it this way: just because there is a universe, does not mean there is a God. Proper evidence or GTFO.

Nor does it mean that there isn't a god. Why be so self assured when you can just sink into everythingism and be amazing like me?

Josh · #**400** 07-23-2010, 09:00 AM

Because I can and i'm too lazy to think of an argument right now.

crimsonxking · #**401** 07-23-2010, 09:55 AM

I believe in God. I just don't believe in religion. Not saying I couldn't be wrong either way, either. I've been all over the place when it comes to this issue. One year I was sure he existed. The next I was Agnostic. Then for like three years I was Atheist, then I was Agnostic again.

Then I decided that something probably exists on a level we can't understand, and one of those things probably had a hand in our creation. But I don't think it is most likely the God depicted by most religions. It could be very much like it (since I do find it interesting that most cultures and religions can at least agree that there is a "God like figure" above), but I don't believe any religion is right.

The way I see it, religions haven't changed one bit since the olden days of Greek mythology. It's all just humans trying to explain things they can't understand by making stories that explain it, most stories being based on something similar happening in real life with a huge twist.

STM · #**402** 07-23-2010, 10:28 AM

@Alcar a few posts back - I do and have read the Bible twice in fact, and I studied it over a three year period. I believe all good Greeks have gone to Purgatory so yes, forgiving God, read the divine comedy Purgatorio. A religion dies when it has no active followers any more therefore to me, it is a dead religion now and no longer exists it has few true believers if any. Anyway, I disregard all religions except Islam, Christianity and Jewish, Jewish because my faith stems from theirs, and Islam because they believe in Jesus as well as God, therefore, same people different name.

@Mac, because then every God hates you (including the false gods ((note lack of capitalisation there)) such as Vishnu and Asherah instead of just one!)

The thing is I don't have problems with any follower of any good religion, I just don't believe in their gods and reject them as believers of false gods with no powers.

@Meech Munchie, is it a good book? I was actually going to buy it

Wings of Fire · #**403** 07-23-2010, 10:41 AM

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The thing is I don't have problems with any follower of any good religion, I just don't believe in their gods and reject them as believers of false gods with no powers.

Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid

Sekto Springs · #**404** 07-23-2010, 10:50 AM

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Then I decided that something probably exists on a level we can't understand, and one of those things probably had a hand in our creation. But I don't think it is most likely the God depicted by most religions. It could be very much like it (since I do find it interesting that most cultures and religions can at least agree that there is a "God like figure" above), but I don't believe any religion is right.

The way I see it, religions haven't changed one bit since the olden days of Greek mythology. It's all just humans trying to explain things they can't understand by making stories that explain it, most stories being based on something similar happening in real life with a huge twist.

This is how I feel for the most part.
I wouldn't be surprised if our creation was a complete accident, and I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of cosmic intelligence had a hand in it. Given the statistical immensities we're dealing with, there are so many possibilities.
I firmly believe, however, that if there ever was an intelligence behind our creation that it was in no way, shape, or form as we describe it in our religious texts. Maybe it was a race of aliens. Maybe some kind of galactic consciousness. Maybe it died or moved on, or maybe it's still there. Who knows?

Josh · #**405** 07-23-2010, 10:54 AM

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The thing is I don't have problems with any follower of any good religion, I just don't believe in their gods and reject them as believers of false gods with no powers.

Please god be trolling...

Also, define 'Good'.

STM · #**406** 07-23-2010, 10:56 AM

Well a bad religion is Satanism for example

Josh · #**407** 07-23-2010, 10:59 AM

Theistic, Atheistic/Deistic or Pseudo-Satanism?

Aslo, why?

Wings of Fire · #**408** 07-23-2010, 11:05 AM

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Aslo, why?

Because it goes against the core precepts of his religion duuuh.

It's a pretty shitty religion though, aint that right Nemo?

Josh · #**409** 07-23-2010, 11:07 AM

I love it how that implies that Christianity is against individualism.

OANST · #**410** 07-23-2010, 11:11 AM

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Because it goes against the core precepts of his religion duuuh.

It's a pretty shitty religion though, aint that right Nemo?

It isn't even a religion, ain't that right, Nemo?

STM · #**411** 07-23-2010, 11:25 AM

Hey WoF c'mon, that's nasty. I'm sure there are things I could say about you, where you live, who you are and how you act. Hold your tongue if you can't say anything remotely intelligent. Ain't that right Nemo?

Josh · #**412** 07-23-2010, 11:25 AM

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It isn't even a religion, ain't that right, Nemo?

Anybody else think of this:

(The fish from Finding Nemo dripping blood of a dead goat on his head)

Sekto Springs · #**413** 07-23-2010, 11:27 AM

I can honestly say I didnt think of this, but bravo.

Wings of Fire · #**414** 07-23-2010, 11:31 AM

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Hey WoF c'mon, that's nasty. I'm sure there are things I could say about you, where you live, who you are and how you act.

Go for it. I'm all ears.

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Hold your tongue if you can't say anything remotely intelligent. Ain't that right Nemo?

Take your own advice?

STM · #**415** 07-23-2010, 11:45 AM

But you see I was trying at least.

And to silence you in a sentence: You are a Glaswegian and I frown upon you, please don't tell me your a McDonald or a Campbell or suming as well!

Josh · #**416** 07-23-2010, 11:47 AM

You didn't love thy neighbour and are now going to hell. Well done, hero.

Wings of Fire · #**417** 07-23-2010, 11:48 AM

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But you see I was trying at least.

And to silence you in a sentence: You are a Glaswegian and I frown upon you, please don't tell me your a McDonald or a Campbell or suming as well!

Actually I'm a Staffordian and a Doubtfire.

Any jokes about my mother burning her breasts or being a dude will be met with prompt negrep.

OANST · #**418** 07-23-2010, 11:53 AM

His mom is a dude.

STM · #**419** 07-23-2010, 12:05 PM

neg rep war you want aye! Well, I can proudly link myself back to the Irish Hussey's who caused the Irish uprisings and led the Irish Brotherhood, or the Wallace's amongst the fighters who led the Scottish armies south and fought in the Battle of Sterling. Suck it burnt boobs! (neg rep me and I can plenty neg rep you)

OANST · #**420** 07-23-2010, 12:11 PM

Your mom did drugs while she was pregnant. I know because I gave them to her right before she sucked my dick. HOOOAAAAA!