Good Ol' Fashioned God Debate

[Nemo]

What do you mean that's not how it works.

Eventually, there will only be black holes and nothing. Black holes can occur after a red giant destroys itself, once these black holes destroy everything else. that's it.

You have obviously taken an astronomy class.

[moxco]

Yuck. I dont wanna discuss physics talk about god.

[Josh]

STM, Black Holes are caused when an object's internal pressure isn't powerful enough to resist the object's own gravity. IE: Massive fucking implosions. Just because there is more space, does not mean there will be more black holes. Not all stars implode anyway, some go Supernova, allowing every element to be realesed in a split second, allowing life to continue. One black hole could not destroy the universe, seeing as our (and possibly all) galaxy has a Supermassive Black Hole at it's center.

[STM]

Actually no.Think about, at some point, the Universe would be so big that every atom will be to big to collect and form anything let alone a new star. Eventually all stars will die and either turn into a black hole or a neutron star. That means that only black holes or neutron stars will be left and naturally, all the black holes will devour anything big left. There will be an endtime and there will be nothing.

[moxco]

And that proves the existance of god how...?

[Josh]

Thats not how Stars form. Mollecular clouds merge to form a ball of burning plasma. And atoms can't be so far apart that they 'don't collect'. Seeing as at one point, the universe contained nothing but a massive cloud of Hydrogen.

[STM]

Exactly, hugely saturated in a small space. The overall reason I started this whole little thing was to prove that all these accidents can help prove the existence of God, what are the odds of all things helping Earth to be habitable.

[Nemo]

I can already see this conversation starting to form a circle.

[Nate]

May I end your statement about breaking the law Nate by saying anything posted off topic is spam when you yourself have been talking about Law on a God debate topic for a good portion of this page, doesn't that mean you should punish yourself and everyone who joined in that conversation.

Try reading my posts before getting your knickers in a twist. I was talking about organised religion and a system of religious laws.

[Havoc]

Exactly, hugely saturated in a small space. The overall reason I started this whole little thing was to prove that all these accidents can help prove the existence of God, what are the odds of all things helping Earth to be habitable.

Well that's convenient.

[Strike Witch]

what are the odds of all things helping Earth to be habitable.

Pretty good because we're here~

[STM]

Exactly so God does exist, you just said it, aha, you are all wrong, atheists are wrong, scientist are wrong! BAHHHAAAHA.

Ehem. I mean. so you therefore believe that something more than a coincidence helped the Earth get going? Or do I mis-understand.

[OANST]

Exactly, hugely saturated in a small space. The overall reason I started this whole little thing was to prove that all these accidents can help prove the existence of God, what are the odds of all things helping Earth to be habitable.

What you don't understand is that the odds of this happening are very, very good. In a universe with almost infinite possibilities, it would be very odd if it didn't happen at least once.

[STM]

And yet we are still waiting for find life anywhere locally. (as in universal local)

[Alcar]

Perhaps not in your suburb.

You do realise that the closest stars outside of our solar system are millions of light years away? You know, way past where Heaven should be.

Alcar...

[STM]

Har Har Alcar, I don't think Heaven is reachable like that though. It could be a different dimension or a different planet maybe. either way. Shut up and expand your comprehensions.

[Wings of Fire]

What the fuck are you talking about? He was responding to your stupid inverse devils proof by saying that we haven't found inteligent life yet because by the time we receive light and signals from our nearly inhabitable neighbors they are already millions of years old.

[Alcar]

Don't dodge the question - you do understand the sheer scale of the universe, don't you? And you are aware of our current technology, right?

As for expanding my horizons, I did. I stepped out of the comfort zone that is organised delusions religion.

Alcar...

[STM]

Unless they have manufactured signals better than radio signals! Or they are already millions of years old. which is another thing, if there is life on other planets, wouldn't it be kinda at a similar evolution state as us or less because well, it would probably have gone through things at the same time as us since the Earth went through millions of years of chaos before it became remotely habitable.

EDIT: hmm speedy shit thar.

I do agree with you Alcar, I understand how big the universe is but you keep saying religion is delusional which I can't understand. Please explain why it is delusional or do you say it just because you can't interact with a higher force/ more important force than yourself

[Wings of Fire]

Unless they have manufactured signals better than radio signals!

Repeat after me

LAWS OF PHYSICS

SPEED OF LIGHT

RELATIVITY

[STM]

Do you get it though ,you can't comprehend better because - WE ARE AT THE HIGHEST TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO US that doesn't mean other beings have got better stuff!

[Alcar]

As people have been trying to stress, the possibilities are endless.

Alcar...

[STM]

Now you can answer my question though Alcar instead of dodging it,
Please explain why it is delusional or do you say it just because you can't interact with a higher force/ more important force than yourself?

[Alcar]

I can't dodge something I haven't already been asked.

I'd have no qualms with a creator if it were so. However, quite simply, there is no evidence of such. I do however substitute my mother in as my creator - because there is evidence I was created by her.

If you want to believe in imaginary sky fairies, fair enough. But I call them as I see them, and you're all a bunch of delusional responsibility-dodging unethical hypocritical life-endangering whackjobs.

Alcar...

[Wings of Fire]

Do you get it though ,you can't comprehend better because - WE ARE AT THE HIGHEST TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO US that doesn't mean other beings have got better stuff!

We might be wrong about the laws of physics and there might be faster than light travel.

Suppose there is.

Suppose other beings have already scoured the universe.

Think how big the universe is.

What's the chance they would ever even find our solar system?

[STM]

Please see post #379 actually.

I don't know if you are being so crass because you are trying to make me angry or you thin kit's funny but it isn't working mate.

@Alcar in particular I just feel sorrow for you mainly for reasons like how it must be said when you are thankful for something before realising you have no one to be thankful to who is worth it.

If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents - the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else's. But if their thoughts - i.e., Materialism and Astronomy - are mere accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It's like expecting the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milk-jug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset. - C.S. Lewis, remember (oh and this counts for this argument and the solar system and life one as well.

[Wings of Fire]

I don't understand your point at all.

And I don't think it's because you're smarter than me.

[Alcar]

I am thankful that I exist. I am thankful that out of all the endless possibilities, that I was conceived. I am so very thankful that I was given the opportunity to experience life.

If we are all created by God, why must we partake in sexual intercourse? Surely he could just 'imagine' us here. Why even, have an infancy at all? Why not send us right on up to Heaven, skip all this silly daily life crap?

Alcar...

[STM]

I never suggested I was more intelligent than you Wings of Fire, I barely know you at all and I wouldn't say it if I was. I just like a good debate is all.

I haven't got much time here left because i have a guitar lesson but can I leave you with this.

If God doesn't exist, why do I feel so hurt by someone's attempts to prove he doesn't exist. Surely, god must live inside me or surely I have such a strong bond with my Lord that to insult him is to insult me and my name itself.

Interesting argument with you WoF and Alcar, if you would like to continue, PM me! PS I have 6 minuts

EIDT: Alcar, I see your argument but why let people straight into Heaven when you have no time to experience life bad and good, being bad can be fun but it puts your karma into a negative state if you can understand what I mean. You have to have a chance as an entity before you can reach divination.

[Alcar]

No. Just no. You're hurt because we're attacking your beliefs - if God was inside you, that'd be paedophilia.

Which makes sense, now that I think about it.

Alcar...