Islam

[Vlam]

Abe619, for the muslims, the West is called 'dar al-harab' (= house of war). Also, Erdogan has said "there are no moderate islam".

[abe619]

The people shouting "Allahu Akbar", then blowing themselves up get my attention as people who wish to die for their religion. It's got nothing to do with sadism. Sadism doesn't involve killing yourself.

Sadism by itself doesn't, but again, this is sadism using religion as an excuse.

Edit: @Vlam: Since when? when did we ever all agree that "Okay guys, we're just gonna all start calling the west Dar al-Harb"? I must have missed the mass meeting where we did.

[Varrok]

Sadism by itself doesn't, but again, this is sadism using religion as an excuse.

And excuse to what, blow themselves up? Who WANTS to blow themselves up, out of the pure joy of BLOWING THEMSELVES UP?

[abe619]

It's not out of the pure joy of blowing themselves up, it's because of the desire to kill, it's not like the person blowing themselves up are the only ones to die when they do.

[Varrok]

I hope you're joking, and not trying to tell me that these people just want to kill people more than to be alive, and it has nothing to do with religion.

[STM]

Of course it's in part down to their religion, but as I've said repeatedly: any ideology can be contorted to make people do the bidding of those in power. The Japanese had Kamikaze and seppuku. The Red Army had the Barrier Troops. If you want people to die for you, you just need to convince them that they're doing it for a good reason.

[Vlam]

They blow themselves up because 1. they think they are doing the right thing. 2. Many virgins as gifts, etc.

[Xorlidyr]

And consider the situation when you are powerless but unstoppably hate some people with all your heart.
You are given two opportunities:
- shoot them with much weaker weapons;
- blow them up with yourself.

I think this one is not really ambigous.


Furthermore, your hatred on religions is not wise. It puts you on the same level as any priest who hates atheists.

[Nepsotic]

GISHY. Hating religion does not equal hating religious people. In fact, that's more akin to Islam. The fact that you can sit there and say that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism nowadays blows my fucking mind.

You people are fucking ridiculous. It's like arguing with a creationist.

ALLAHU VLAMBAR!
-blows this thread the fuck up-

[Havoc]

I can't believe that even after all these years you have the audacity to come back here, make an apology to everyone who's life you've ruined, and still rub salt in MY wound by misspelling my fucking name.

The fucking nerve.

I kid, I kid, I don't know what you did to piss me off and I don't care. Welcome back.

I just remembered why we all hated Gishy!

[Varrok]

Because he was overly snarky and trolling. He's not trolling now. Also, that counts as an ad hominem, Havok.

[Nate]

So you say there are religious people that don't believe in their religion?

Because my point was there aren't.

Actually, my dad freely admits (in private) that he doesn't believe in god, yet practices Judaism religiously and openly judges people who don't practice up to the level that he expects.

But he's an outlier and should probably be ignored by everyone, including me.

I just want to justify my previous point that I could find a new article(s) about Muslims causing problems in Europe each day. I couldn't find new articles about Atheists causing problems because they're Aheists.

That's not the most compelling argument, though. The media have found a story that their readers find compelling, and they repeat that story whenever they can. Selection bias out the wazoo.

The fact that you can sit there and say that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism nowadays blows my fucking mind.

As compared to the people in this thread who are saying (or at least strongly implying) that terrorism only has to do with Islam. Take a chillpill, then a nuanced opinion.

[Varrok]

That's not the most compelling argument, though. The media have found a story that their readers find compelling, and they repeat that story whenever they can. Selection bias out the wazoo.

It's not the most compelling argument, I agree. But what can I do? I don't hide any Atheist Terrorist Group news from you, even though their existence might not be in favor of my argument. I seriously never heard of any. The only one I heard of were the ones STM linked, and those news were of little credibility.

I don't think media choose to omit the information about any of those, if they exist, either.

[Xorlidyr]

Are you truly sure that all of the Muslim Terrorism news are of such great credibility, too?

What are the reasons that mass media hides Atheist terrorism?

Why do some powerful countries like to comment on such news first?

Who stands behind?

[Nate]

It's not the most compelling argument, I agree. But what can I do? I don't hide any Atheist Terrorist Group news from you, even though their existence might not be in favor of my argument. I seriously never heard of any. The only one I heard of were the ones STM linked, and those news were of little credibility.

I don't think media choose to omit the information about any of those, if they exist, either.

I was responding more directly to your use of the phrase 'causing problems' and had forgotten that the link you posted was specifically about terrorism. There are a shitload of stories out at the moment implying that Muslim people are the cause of every social ill in Europe at the moment and most of them are bullshit.

[Varrok]

Are you truly sure that all of the Muslim Terrorism news are of such great credibility, too?

You can't deny photos of dead people and videos of blowing up.

What are the reasons that mass media hides Atheist terrorism?

They're not. That would make a great news, and would fit the government propaganda.

If the media do any hiding, it's the goverment media of countries like Sweden and Germany which avoid as hell talking bad about the immigrants.

Why do some powerful countries like to comment on such news first?

What do you mean?

Who stands behind?

Nobody, I'm the only person in the room

[Vlam]

They're not. That would make a great news, and would fit the government propaganda.

If the media do any hiding, it's the goverment media of countries like Sweden and Germany which avoid as hell talking bad about the immigrants.

And France.

[Xorlidyr]

You can fake photos.

I see that you do not fully see the significance and power of Atheism. Once media focuses on it, the fight shall shift to Religious vs Atheists instead of the World vs Islam (which is less convenient for some strong countries).

Sweden is cosmopolitan. Germany needs immigrants like money.


Trolling me is fun, I love when you do it.


Until we see a political/societial/psychological situation from the perspective of all sides, our viewpoint remains narrow, counterproductive and destructive.

[Varrok]

You can fake photos.

Google "Brussel Attack Video". Do you think all of these videos are fake?

I see that you do not fully see the significance and power of Atheism. Once media focuses on it, the fight shall shift to Religious vs Atheists instead of the World vs Islam (which is less convenient for some strong countries).

Even more reasons for goverment media to search for such groups. And yet they got nothing.

Sweden is cosmopolitan. Germany needs immigrants like money.

Why do you think they do?

Trolling me is fun, I love when you do it.

Vlam's right. France does play a part in a media cover up. Are you sure you're not the one trolling?

[Nepsotic]

As compared to the people in this thread who are saying (or at least strongly implying) that terrorism only has to do with Islam. Take a chillpill, then a nuanced opinion.

No, but at this present time, terrorism is mostly to do with Islam and that is kind of unarguable.

I see that you do not fully see the significance and power of Atheism. Once media focuses on it, the fight shall shift to Religious vs Atheists instead of the World vs Islam

America has it like that already. Reporting on Islamic terrorism isn't exactly government propaganda when Islam is already against the rest of the world.

What are the reasons that mass media hides Atheist terrorism?

Maybe because it doesn't fucking happen? The media is ran by old people who generally hate atheists as much as American conservatives do, if there was ANY atheistic terrorism they'd be on that shit straight away. It'd be the story of the week.

Also you seemed to have missed the fact that 99% of the time terrorism is the work of religion. Even if it's Muslims most of the time, what about the IRA? I can't think of any atheistic terrorist organizations.

[Nate]

No, but at this present time, terrorism is mostly to do with Islam and that is kind of unarguable.

You completely miss the point. No-one is denying that terrorism is mostly to do with Islam. The issue is people who suggest that Islam is mostly to do with terrorism.

[Xorlidyr]

Do not repeat your arguments, Varrok.

There is a demographic crisis in Europe which needs to be fixed. People do not reproduce, so we import new ones.

[Nepsotic]

He has a right to repeat the same arguments when you don't even fucking listen to them.

[Xorlidyr]

And Varrok, you do not simply hear something on news, accept a paranoid point of view and find a lot of information, that makes your resentment even deeper.

You analyze different sources of information profoundly, learn history, philosophy and sociology, which deal with the events and only then take an opinion, but still operate with other opinions.

True wisdom is being able to hold different truths in your palm and not mindlessly following the one that is given to us on our local dish.

The argument of explosions happening in Europe is not truly consistent due to us not truly knowing, who and with which mentality does that. Assuming that everything was done by Islamists is the easiest solution of the crowd. We have to think deeper than that.
Until then, it is simply a panic of no productive consequences.


Remember, your spreading panic can not help against terrorism. It is what the aim of terrorists is, actually: fear. A trap you are falling in with each new video or news deeper and deeper.


Finally, Europe is bound to disappear demographically if we lead the hostile isolationist politics. And then its riches shall be ravaged by not Muslim countries, no. By those countries, whose hunger knows little limit.

[Nepsotic]

You are genuinely saying that those explosions are a hoax?
I'm so sick of your shit, Gishy, just shut the fuck up for fucks sake.

[Varrok]

And Varrok, you do not simply hear something on news, accept a paranoid point of view and find a lot of information, that makes your resentment even deeper.

You analyze different sources of information profoundly, learn history, philosophy and sociology, which deal with the events and only then take an opinion, but still operate with other opinions.

I'm operating on *my* opinions.

True wisdom is being able to hold different truths in your palm and not mindlessly following the one that is given to us on our local dish.

If I listened mindlessly to my local propaganda, I'd be on the side of the immigrants.

The argument of explosions happening in Europe is not truly consistent due to us not truly knowing, who and with which mentality does that. Assuming that everything was done by Islamists is the easiest solution of the crowd. We have to think deeper than that.
Until then, it is simply a panic of no productive consequences.

You know, the shouts of "Allahu Akbar" are a good sign of what religion the terrorists believe in.

Remember, your spreading panic can not help against terrorism. It is what the aim of terrorists is, actually: fear. A trap you are falling in with each new video or news deeper and deeper.

I am not afraid. These attacks don't happen to Poland, which, coincidentally, doesn't have many immigrants, with the exception of Ukrainian people.

Finally, Europe is bound to disappear demographically if we lead the hostile isolationist politics. And then its riches shall be ravaged by not Muslim countries, no. By those countries, whose hunger knows little limit.

You are talking out of your ass.

[Xorlidyr]

I would believe you if I could not classify all your posts as Theophobic.

You do not live in Poland mentally. You sound and feel very Western. That is your local media.

Should I explain to you why it is mostly Allahu Akbar once again?

You are afraid. Otherwise you would not care.

Before making that last statement learn the history of terrorism, please. See further than your nose, live wider than in the present.

[Vlam]

Happy easter to you all!

[Havoc]

You completely miss the point. No-one is denying that terrorism is mostly to do with Islam. The issue is people who suggest that Islam is mostly to do with terrorism.

I wouldn't say terrorism, but Islam has certainly proven itself to be a very violent and oppressive religion and culture.

[Nepsotic]

I would believe you if I could not classify all your posts as Theophobic.

You do not live in Poland mentally. You sound and feel very Western. That is your local media.

Should I explain to you why it is mostly Allahu Akbar once again?

You are afraid. Otherwise you would not care.

Before making that last statement learn the history of terrorism, please. See further than your nose, live wider than in the present.

You are a fucking mongoloid. "See further than your nose, live wider than in the present."
You of all people need to practice what you preach.

Also I think he has me on his ignore list lol