Anyone still have strong Brexit opinions?

[Tired Glutton]

It feels like it's been so long, i remember having very strong remain sympathies and pretty sure i did vote that way but after a time that changed and I'm so indifferent now.

In retrospect my belief for remain actually being good for the UK was more tied to this concept of the EU being 'those blokes who did the human rights act so how could they possibly be bad!!' despite you know.. human rights abuses in the EU and no real effort i know of to improve human rights with people they trade with coughchina... I wasn't just a dedicated remainer tho, generally i just thought the referendum itself was a bad idea cus most people in the UK don't even know how their own fucking system works even on a basic level, i dont mean that to be disparaging or anything cus you know, that was me too and plenty of people i know! So i guess i just defaulted to 'status quo'? But yeah. It's just ridiculous to have thought a population that doesnt get taught as part of the curriculum how to engage in politics to suddenly be able to engage with one of the most esoteric institutions out there.

That's my hot take on the immensely tiring topic of brexit, what's urs? #EducationForTheMassesPlz

[Varrok]

In retrospect my belief for remain actually being good for the UK was more tied to this concept of the EU being 'those blokes who did the human rights act so how could they possibly be bad!!'

That's the average Joe's opinion of EU. People don't really dig deeper into that, for, as you said:

most people in the UK don't even know how their own fucking system works even on a basic level

It's not just UK. And it's basically people's fault. The government in EU has no interest telling people to inform themselves, as they might come up with a different conclusion than they want.

My country (Poland) is not an economically strong country, and wasn't when it joined EU either, so it is rather a good deal. Not flawless, but it's profitable.

I wouldn't honestly say that it's such a great deal for a much wealthier country, like UK.

All those things considered, if you ask me whether I'm for or against Brexit, you'll have to specify whether I'd be talking from my country's perspective or your country's.

[Tired Glutton]

Weird to hear that's the average person's understanding haha, my experience has been mostly just people actively not wanting to talk about it or being staunchly for one or the other, i can believe that's probably the case outside my town/social group tho.

I just kind of opened this up as a general thing really, was curious about how someone's opinion on it might have changed and how since the referendum, if you wanna breathe life in to the dead forum and share your deeper brexit opinions and how they might've changed if they did i'm open to reading them!

[Varrok]

Weird to hear that's the average person's understanding haha, my experience has been mostly just people actively not wanting to talk about it or being staunchly for one or the other, i can believe that's probably the case outside my town/social group tho.

I mean, I don't have solid data, as I didn't do statistics about it nor ask every single person in UK, but I've seen a few videos where people did surveys about Brexit, and saw a couple of manifestations and those pro-Remain seemed just like that. I can really see that as being the general mentality behind Remain voters, as back when Poland was joining EU around 2004 I felt the similar way.

I was a kid then, though.

[Tired Glutton]

Yea of course! D/w i'm here for opinions i'll take any stats and statements with a pinch of salt and look in to it if i feel it shaping my world view etc lmao, it does make sense on the surface, when ppl, as far as i'm aware, dont really have the education to be as staunchly pro something as they appear to be, it's probably gonna be off the back of the public/historical reputation of that thing, gotta be happening somewhere to some degree and the human rights act is up there as one of more well known things about the EU so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ possibility!

[Varrok]

I can tell you this:

Although many of people here didn't have strong Brexit opinions, most of them were pro OWFxit.

[STM]

I was pretty strongly remain but now I couldn't really care less. I can see both sides of the argument, all I know is that I'm prepared for the eventuality that we leave with no deal, and the subsequent chaos that will cause.

[Tired Glutton]

@varrok Is OWFxit what we call the discord migration now ��

@STM there anything in particular you'd point to that helped that shift in perspective u think? Yeah just seeing martial law as even an option for no deal is more than a little concerning, rip UK we had a good run maybe

[Varrok]

@varrok Is OWFxit what we call the discord migration now ��

I wouldn't say so, the majority of active users (nowadays) joined OWF through the Discord. I meant just getting a life and leaving.

[STM]

@varrok Is OWFxit what we call the discord migration now ��

@STM there anything in particular you'd point to that helped that shift in perspective u think? Yeah just seeing martial law as even an option for no deal is more than a little concerning, rip UK we had a good run maybe

I would say in the last couple years I've shifted my political beliefs from democratic socialism to marxism. I believe that bourgeois politics is unimportant insofar as the general public is incapable of informing on policy decisions. Brexit is a battle between the various falanges of British capital, there's no scenario where the proletariat 'wins', whether we stay or leave. Therefore, I care little, I assume there will be a massive decrease in the standard of living we're accustomed to but hopefully that will increase political consciousness amongst the proletariat.

[FrustratedAssassin]

I would say in the last couple years I've shifted my political beliefs from democratic socialism to marxism.

I hope you're not gonna turn into a tankie 😰

[Laser]

I try to have strong opinions but its like trying to set fire to a damp match.

[OANST]

I don't even have strong bowel movements.

[Auriel]

I don't even have strong bowel movements.

can't imagine they're much weaker than whatever passes for democracy in the uk
that was an on-topic post right

[OANST]

can't imagine they're much weaker than whatever passes for democracy in the uk
that was an on-topic post right

That was, indeed, an on topic post.

The conversation is getting interesting now.

I like it when we post on topic because the alternative is not good.

Off topic is never the correct post. I can only assume that everyone will agree.

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[Nepsotic]

How's things man?

[MA]

Adhere.

[Nate]

So tempted to give OANST an infraction, for old time's sake.

[Havoc]

Brexit is a textbook example of why direct democracy is a terrible form of government.

[Varrok]

There's so many Adhere-s, that for a second I thought my uBlock was off.

[OANST]

So tempted to give OANST an infraction, for old time's sake.

I tried to posrep you, but it's too soon, man. Too soon.

You know why.


What happened to you?

[Nate]

What happened to you?

Everything.

[Auriel]

do elaborate

[Nepsotic]

he stopped being a dog and became a man

[Havoc]

I think I've read that story.

[Nepsotic]

I've definitely seen it illustrated on e621

[STM]

Brexit is a textbook example of why direct democracy is a terrible form of government.

The jokes on you, Havoc. After Brexit, when the Union is dissolved and the stolen counties are repatriated, when a cool wind disperses the lingering fog that sits heavy upon the barren, salted earth of the home counties, when the Walled City of London finally falls and the good British people can muster nought but a grumble at it all...we'll go back to fucking feudalism. Who'll be laughing then, eh?

[Nate]

The jokes on you, Havoc. After Brexit, when the Union is dissolved and the stolen counties are repatriated, when a cool wind disperses the lingering fog that sits heavy upon the barren, salted earth of the home counties, when the Walled City of London finally falls and the good British people can muster nought but a grumble at it all...we'll go back to fucking feudalism. Who'll be laughing then, eh?

Isn't that basically the inevitable end game of anarchism as a movement?

[Nepsotic]

vote ukip

[OANST]

Stop trying to get us to vote for Pokemon.