UK Government wants to force unemployed to do manual labour for no pay

[Wings of Fire]

Yes, your intake of criminals is a fair sample to judge the lowest socio-economic classes.

[OANST]

It's a pretty overwhelmingly common problem. I've set up booths at job fairs that those who are on unemployment have to go to, and walked out at the end of the day without hiring a single person. Every single person made it clear that they were at the job fair because they had to be, and not because they were looking for a job.

[T-nex]

However, it is incredibly hard to get hired even for low-paying jobs. At least it is so in Denmark. Even for shitty jobs such as cleaning lady, grill bar employee or trash collector, you need education of SOME sort. Well, true that usually it's short courses that take a few weeks, but the point is that jobs have become less accessible.

Although, grill-bar jobs seem to be the least favored ones, so those are ok easy to get into.
But yea, looking hard enough WILL yield a job at some point(if your pride isnt in the way), and in Denmark it's practically impossible to end up starving.

On the other hand, because of weird agreements with the job insurance companies, for someone like my dad, it would be hard to find a low-paying job. They call it being over-qualified, and they simply wont take you. Even though my dad is brilliant, smart and really experienced, it took him at least 2 years to finally get a job. Too many people are looking for jobs, and too few jobs are free

[OANST]

Even though my dad is brilliant, smart and really experienced, it took him at least 2 years to finally get a job.

Is he sexy, too? 'Cause that would be too much for any employer.

[T-nex]

Is he sexy, too? 'Cause that would be too much for any employer.

Actually no. Even though he's 45, he looks at least 10 year older. And the stress from all his years are very visible on his face. He looks like a beat man. He did manage to get some 38 year old lady, who was good-looking. Then she died from cancer.

[OANST]

He should be okay then. As long as he isn't a triple threat.

[T-nex]

Your just jalous!!!

[OANST]

Hell, no! I've got this employment thing worked out! I'm stupid, inexperienced, and ugly. I'm a shoe in for everything!

[MA]

Even though my dad is brilliant, smart and really experienced, it took him at least 2 years to finally get a job.

that's because he was too busy defending the city from evil.

[Bullet Magnet]

However, it is incredibly hard to get hired even for low-paying jobs. At least it is so in Denmark. Even for shitty jobs such as cleaning lady, grill bar employee or trash collector, you need education of SOME sort. Well, true that usually it's short courses that take a few weeks, but the point is that jobs have become less accessible.

Although, grill-bar jobs seem to be the least favored ones, so those are ok easy to get into.
But yea, looking hard enough WILL yield a job at some point(if your pride isnt in the way), and in Denmark it's practically impossible to end up starving.

On the other hand, because of weird agreements with the job insurance companies, for someone like my dad, it would be hard to find a low-paying job. They call it being over-qualified, and they simply wont take you. Even though my dad is brilliant, smart and really experienced, it took him at least 2 years to finally get a job. Too many people are looking for jobs, and too few jobs are free

The whole over-qualified thing is really pissing me off. I was lead to believe an education would give me an advantage in life, not hold it back indefinitely and prevent it from even taking off. That's bullshit. I dread to think what would have happened if I'd finished my degree. Though truth be told its difficult to be less unemployed than being both unemployed and off the dole.

[T-nex]

The whole over-qualified thing is really pissing me off. I was lead to believe an education would give me an advantage in life, not hold it back indefinitely and prevent it from even taking off. That's bullshit. I dread to think what would have happened if I'd finished my degree. Though truth be told its difficult to be less unemployed than being both unemployed and off the dole.

Well i dunno if it's the same for you.

It's just in denmark we sort of have rules and minimum wages. Only the minimum wages are usually based on your qualifications and not the job.

Not only that, but employers don't employ people who are over-qualified because they need loyal people. And they know very well that many over qualified people will stay at the job just till they find a more challenging job. So yea.
But I don't think a newly graduate should have over-qualification problems o.o At least I don't think so.

[OANST]

That does sound like a pretty crappy system.

[Nate]

WoF: You've clearly never been unemployed. Even the poorest, least educated people will refuse a job that they consider 'beneath' them. Hell, I had massive arguments with the employment counsellor who kept trying to push me to apply for truck driving jobs.

The other issue is that long term unemployment is very unattractive to prospective employers. At least this gives people something to write on their resumes and, if it's a well designed system, new skills and the potential to make contact and find a job on their own.

Hell, no! I've got this employment thing worked out! I'm stupid, inexperienced, and ugly. I'm a shoe in for everything!

[Alcar]

When I've been unemployed, I've never had the slightest urge to place myself on the dole.

In fact, I usually take a holiday

Alcar...

[Ridg3]

WoF: You've clearly never been unemployed. Even the poorest, least educated people will refuse a job that they consider 'beneath' them.

In Britain's economic climate you don't really have a choice anymore, if someone offers you a job you sure as hell snap it up... regardless whether you think it's beneath you or not. Money's money at the end of the day.

EDIT:

When I've been unemployed, I've never had the slightest urge to place myself on the dole.

Ditto, I don't like the thought of going on the dole and my parents are forever urging me to get on it whenever I do "lose" my job. I prefer to look for a job without the fallback of easy money from the Gov. It's makes the search all the more urgent whenever your funds start to run dry.

[MeechMunchie]

I don't like to lower the standard of conversation, but isn't this what the Nazis used to do?

[OANST]

No. This isn't compulsory. This is saying that the government is willing to give you some money while you are without a proper job, but you are still going to have to do some kind of work for it. You can always decline it and make nothing. Also, I would be willing to bet there would be a ton of exemptions built into the system, like being on unemployment for a certain amount of time, being a student, etc...

[Wings of Fire]

It's for NEETs, of course students won't factor into it.

[OANST]

That's just one example. I'm sure that people with medical issues would be exempt, too. Hell, by the time it got passed there would probably be so many ways to get out of doing it that it would be completely ineffectual anyway.

[MeechMunchie]

No.

OK. *Leaves*

[Wings of Fire]

That's just one example. I'm sure that people with medical issues would be exempt, too. Hell, by the time it got passed there would probably be so many ways to get out of doing it that it would be completely ineffectual anyway.

You mean like that pirating law we have?

[OANST]

Something like that. Or, more accurately, like the current unemployment laws.