Flash Sig

[Wings of Fire]

I'm surprised Justin or Wil haven't commented on Flashing Sligs yet, I am dissapoint.

[Wil]

You lump me with Justin? D=

I know I bring it on myself, but come on. That's a bit below the belt. Just like the raging hardon I get thinking of flashing Sligs.

[Wings of Fire]

There was this little thread made by Cream once, I seem to recall major contributation from you.

[Wil]

Like I say, I've brought it on myself. Not just in that thread.

[Nate]

I fully support this flash sig idea if it adheres to the scrolling LED message thing CS has going here. In fact, I think it should be something that is offered as part of the forums itself, not unlike how we offer a default set of avatars to choose from.

Members can punch in their message and voila; there it is in their signature. I think with proper maintenance it wouldn't be a problem. Flash doesn't take up alot of bandwidth, and since so many of you people have already expressed your dislike of it, that leaves only a handful of members that would actually want them.

Except that it still would be freaking irritating. We have html scrolling text disabled for much the same reason.

[CakeSnatcher]

Flash sigs are unecessary. And in many cases they distract from the actual purpose of a forum: To read and type text.

Flash sigs are annoying!

Flash sigs wont take away peoples ability to read.

If flash sigs are uneccessary then so are regular sigs. So are the smilies in the posts people make. So is most of the images and things that make this forum look good.

I say flash sigs today, flash sigs tomorrow, flash sigs forever!

[MA]

If flash sigs are uneccessary then so are regular sigs. So are the smilies in the posts people make. So is most of the images and things that make this forum look good.

ok then. you're right, we're wrong. you say all this shit with your own opinions when you have already voiced them and been swamped with members disliking the idea, and still think its going to happen because you and about 2 other people want them.

arguing with members and admins isn't going to change many peoples minds, nor is stating things as being 'unnecessary' with fuck all to back it up apart from 'because flash sigs aren't allowed'.

[CakeSnatcher]

ok then. you're right, we're wrong. you say all this shit with your own opinions when you have already voiced them and been swamped with members disliking the idea, and still think its going to happen because you and about 2 other people want them.

arguing with members and admins isn't going to change many peoples minds, nor is stating things as being 'unnecessary' with fuck all to back it up apart from 'because flash sigs aren't allowed'.

I'm just saying if people think that this thing is unnecessary then that will render all of the other things like it unnecessary. A lot of things are unnecessary, but we have them anyway. I wasn't the first to state things unnecessary here.

Also I am arguing the case that flash sigs are good, so I must offer you the good points. Also you're saying all of this as your opinion.

And good odd man, don't get so brutal and angry about it.

[Bullet Magnet]

Normal sigs are indeed unnecessary, but people like them and they don't tend to get in the way of reading the forums. Piling on animated sigs, however... the eye is automatically drawn to moving objects. That they will be too distracting is a biological fact.

[CakeSnatcher]

Yes I grant that but still I don't think that it actually halts your ability to read. If you have your flash option off then I guess it's not a problem.

[MA]

I'm just saying if people think that this thing is unnecessary then that will render all of the other things like it unnecessary. A lot of things are unnecessary, but we have them anyway. I wasn't the first to state things unnecessary here.

Also I am arguing the case that flash sigs are good, so I must offer you the good points. Also you're saying all of this as your opinion.

also, you're not getting what i'm saying.

you are not backing up your statements with anything whatsoever.

if people think that this thing is unnecessary then that will render all of the other things like it unnecessary.

come on then. proof please. a lot of things are similar, that doesn't mean if one is not allowed then all of them become unnecessary.

[CakeSnatcher]

You're not getting what I am saying. Signitures are signitures. There's a small step from a simple image signiture to flash signiture. Both aren't necessary for the forum to be here, not necessary for us to type, read or do anything. The only purpose they serve is to look good. If you say flash sigs are unnecessary then you've pretty much just said the same for regular sigs.

It's not an issue whether it's allowed that makes all other things like it unnecessary it's that if you are going to base your rule for something because it's unnecessary, then perhaps you should address all things that are unnecessary.

Edit: The rule should be based on something more substantial than just being unnecessary.

[Wings of Fire]

There's a small step from a simple image signiture to flash signiture.

This step involves major bandwidth usage. It'd be annoying, unsightly and slow people down.

You're in the minority here.

[MA]

@CS: well done. you backed it up. that was the whole point of my posts in this thread, so you didn't continue shouting 'its good everyone loves Flash its uber if its unnecessary then so is everything else slightly related to it'.

i'm not for or against this Flash signature idea, it was just pissing me off seeing you flog a dead horse, to be honest. so read my previous posts very carefully, and don't try to pull the hypocritical bullshit; i never said i find Flash signatures unnecessary. i said many people are against the idea and they feel them unnecessary.

[MeechMunchie]

This is getting stupid. We're not getting flash sigs. Now everybody go do something constructive with your lives.

[T-nex]

You're not getting what I am saying. Signitures are signitures. There's a small step from a simple image signiture to flash signiture. Both aren't necessary for the forum to be here, not necessary for us to type, read or do anything. The only purpose they serve is to look good. If you say flash sigs are unnecessary then you've pretty much just said the same for regular sigs.

It's not an issue whether it's allowed that makes all other things like it unnecessary it's that if you are going to base your rule for something because it's unnecessary, then perhaps you should address all things that are unnecessary.

Edit: The rule should be based on something more substantial than just being unnecessary.

Sigh...

Ok.. Sigs are a necessity and I'll tell you why. Because there is a demand for them. A very big one too.
Sigs are there for members to be able to express themselves individually. On a forum where all you see is text, people want to be recognized for more than text. Avatars and sigs serve to differentiate between member, and to let them have some creative freedom.

Flash sigs on the other hand. While they sound cool, they do just not work in practice. There's a big difference between a static sig and a flash sig. The flash sigs move.
Ok.. Think about this one. Do any of you enjoy banner ads? I certainly do not. They are annoying and they distract my full attention from the contents of the site. So do flash sigs.
I'll tell you this again: What is the purpose of a forum? To type and read text. And it is every site owner's job to ensure the readability and user-friendlyness of a site.
When people read text, and get distracted by flashing sigs, of small moving animations it compromises the readability, which is much more important than having fancy sigs.

I'd rather be able to focus on the contents of this site, than having to be distracted by flash sigs. This is why flash sigs are unnecessary while normal sigs are necessary.

If you want to look at fancy stuff, or show off your flash animation, you're always welcome to stop by the fan corner.

Sometimes when you get really crazy about an idea you cam up with, you get blinded and don't see the impracticality of it. This is why i love the saying "Kill your darlings" that I learnt during my years as a Mulitmediadesigner. It means to look at your own ideas with a critical eyes, and have the ability to toss aside the ones that wouldn't work. Even if they are really dear to you.

Anyway I'm not trying to stomp on your idea here... I think it sounds cool. When i was younger I wanted all kinds of flashy things in my sig too, and got pissed off when Alcar kept limiting the sig dimensions. But now that I know more I see why.

[CakeSnatcher]

Sigs aren't a necessity, they provide nothing to us that we need.

Okay fine no flash siggies. But I'd like to say that this flash sig is a lot lot smaller in file size than the sig I currently have, it fits the dimensions, and I could easily calm down the movement so it wouldn't be distracting.

I just want to put to bed the prejudices people have against flash.

[T-nex]

Sigs aren't a necessity, they provide nothing to us that we need.

We don't need it. But there's a huge demand for them.
Also, they do cover the creative and artistic need that many of us have. In that aspect it can be a necessity.

But if we were to be that anal about, nothing on this forum is necessary except the color black and white and text.

Anywa I don't know anything about flash/image sizes, or what the differences are, and I wasn't the one who pointed that out.

EDIT: Oh, and I dont have any prejudices against Flash. It's a wonderful program. I think think in this aspect it's best to leave it alone. o.o

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They may not inhibit your ability to read, but they sure make it a cumbersome thing to do.

[T-nex]

They may not inhibit your ability to read, but they sure make it cumbersome thing to do.

I honestly find alot of distracting animations rather frustrating when I'm trying to read something.

[Pilot]

Please enable flash sigs so I can post several Youtube vids in my signature.

[AlexFili]

You lump me with Justin? D=

I know I bring it on myself, but come on. That's a bit below the belt. Just like the raging hardon I get thinking of flashing Sligs.

That gives me an idea... Slig Striptease! (In Flash!!!).

Ahem, getting back on topic;
While I'd like to believe that nobody is prejudiced against Flash, I go to Fan Corner and see tons of people making games with "Game Maker". Why they would use something convoluted and lame, rather than something cool like Flash is something I don't know (except maybe that it's free, but then you wouldn't draw on a canvas with spit, just because it's free would you?).

Flash Sigs in the long-term would not work;
- They use too much bandwith
- They are too distracting
- They require a lot more work for the admins to keep tabs on

Can we close this topic yet?

[Nate]

Edit: The rule should be based on something more substantial than just being unnecessary.

Sigs aren't a necessity, they provide nothing to us that we need.

AND A GREAT MANY OTHER POSTS BY CakeSnatcher

Oh, for fuck's sake. You're focusing on a single word that one person said over and above anything else. We don't object to flash sigs because they're unneccessary. If we were banning them for those reasons, this forum would not have any styling, themes, banners, pictures, emoticons, avatars or anything but bare, boring text. We object to flash sigs for all the reasons that T-Nex has explained. So stop focussing on the 'unnecessary' term, and get it in to your head that flash sigs are not going to happen.

[CakeSnatcher]

Someone said "unnecessary", I argued, then someone else argued with that argument.

But whatever I've already finished. Close this please.

[MeechMunchie]

Yes, let's all fight over the last word.

[used:)]

It's mine!

[Pilot]

BRING ME COW!