Stranger's Secret

[Chentz.cfg]

So, I needed that for an article which I have already sent to the editor, but still, let's get it straight (it was already discussed somewhere, but I didn't fully get it):

Stranger's secret was that he was a Steef. Stranger looks bipedal, but actually has 4 legs, so he wanted 2 of them removed, right? Was it because he thought he is a freak, or he actually knew he's a Steef, so he wanted the operation to be no longer recognized as a Steef?

and also: who was Sekto's host body? Did he want to use Stranger as the next host?

[LoboDiabloLoneWolf]

Erm, okay... Yes, Stranger's secret was that he was a Steef, and he did look bipedal when he was actually a quadruped. However, he didn't want his hind legs removed (I doubt only two of his scrawny legs could support his body weight). If you look at the de-pantsing scene (where Stranger is revealed as a Steef), we see the Doc's drafts of the operation that he gave Stranger earlier. It looks more like he was going to have his legs merged together (maybe sewn).

We're not actually sure why he wanted the operation, what is most likely is that he wanted to hide he was a Steef so he wouldn't be hunted down and his head used as a wall trophie like all the other Steef were.

Sekto's host body was an old Steef that had had it's horns removed so that Sekto could sit atop his head - this old Steef dies at the end of game. But I doubt Sekto wanted to use Stranger as his next host, although that might have been on his mind. I think though that he just wanted to eredicate all the Steef...

Anyway, hopes this helps.

[Dark Elite_H2]

Whoo...I hope people realize this is a spoily...But I can help as well.
Stranger wanted his legs removed, because he knew the Steef population was dying out 'cause of some weirdo killin' 'em all (Sekto)
And maybe Lobo it right 'bout his hind legs. The second draft of the operation, his feet were quite larger...
Anywho...Sekto's hosted the body of the elder Steef that had went missing from the Grubbs. And no, he wanted to kill Stranger for his head, 'cause he wanted to kill out all the Steef on Oddworld. I dunno why, but it's a sick plan. Wish I could kick the snot outta 'im 'fore Stranger did...

[HobbitNinj]

He wanted to take out all the Steefs so the Grubbs would have no one to protect them. He could take all the land he wanted for his dam and business then.

[Dark Elite_H2]

Exactwy! Thank you, Hobbitninj! I knew something wouldn't make any sense outta my explanation.
Yes, he wanted to rid of the Grubbs so he could have all the Mongo river to 'imself.

[Steefie]

I don't think Stranger was going to get his legs sewn together, I really think he was going to get a chunk removed along with 2 of his legs...

[LoboDiabloLoneWolf]

I don't think Stranger was going to get his legs sewn together, I really think he was going to get a chunk removed along with 2 of his legs...

Really? I wouldn't have thought he could have manage to stand up with only two weedy lil legs...

Wait, lemme look at the movie again...I'm sure it was some kind of sewing, it even has a stitch patten...but I'll check...

[Steefie]

Really? I wouldn't have thought he could have manage to stand up with only two weedy lil legs...

Wait, lemme look at the movie again...I'm sure it was some kind of sewing, it even has a stitch patten...but I'll check...

Hmm, maybe he was going to get them stitched; but just remember this is a Vykker Stranger's dealing with... Stranger probably wouldn't be able to tell sh!t from clay when it comes to medical things (that's just an assumption though, might not be the case...), so, when it comes to things like "will I survive this whacko operation" he just takes the Doc's word, I guess... and prays that Doc is right/ isn't going maim him.

All Doc wants is money, he wouldn't give a pooey if Stranger died two days later from some crazy infection after the op; and he probably wouldn't care if poor ol' Stranger ended up in a wheel chair for the rest of his life.

(I hope all of what I was trying to say made sense please forgive me, I'm not very good at explaining myself)

But I'll have a look at the movie clip again, too, and have another look at those papers. Gotsta plug my xbox back into the powerpoint first...

[Xavier]

He wanted to take out all the Steefs so the Grubbs would have no one to protect them. He could take all the land he wanted for his dam and business then.

yep that's about it.
actually the Steefs are more the protectors of the Mongo River (that why the Olden Steef ask if the water's free) and it natural habitants (Grubbs, Scuba Toads,...)

That's why sekto wanted to kill the Steefs, he wanted the river for his buisness.

Oh and they make excellent hosts too

[Wil]

Possibly, as Gabbit lungs make ideal replacements for Glukkons, Steefs just happen to make great hosts for Oktigi.

One question I have is why did Sekto put out a bounty for a Steef? Surely every source in the Mongo Valley knew there were none left.

[Nate]

Sekto was smart enough not to rest on his laurels. There are plenty of examples of creatures that were thought to be extinct when a hidden population is found hiding out somewhere remote.

[Wil]

I suppose, but it does seem strange he just brings out the bounty (suggested by the Clakkers' reactions to it in NYC). I'm a little more tolerant of the idea that he just wants to complete his collection - but again, why now? Steef haven't been seen in a while… maybe until now he's been getting them from other areas.

[Cullen Heath]

One question I have is why did Sekto put out a bounty for a Steef? Surely every source in the Mongo Valley knew there were none left.

Okay, well first off, they obviously DIDN'T know, because a Steef was walking straight infront of their faces.

As for the Bounty Reward, why not put one up? It's not like he was being charged to put up posters saying: "Steef Reward".
What I'm trying to say is, it would be worth a shot to Sekto to offer some Moolah, just incase a Steef DID show up, instead of missing out on one.

[Dark Elite_H2]

I believe Sekto was hunting Steef before any of the locals knew they were dead, maybe a few months before Stranger began to hunt outlaws since his kind was dying out.
Or it could be me...

[Wil]

When I say everyone knew there were no Steef left, I mean that they were very sure that there were none left. They believed it, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.

And I realise it wouldn't be any drain on Sekto's resources to put up a bounty, but there being no reason not to doesn't equate to there being a reason to, if you follow. Obviously there are the two reasons that have been said, but what motivated Sekto to put up the bounty right in the middle of the story without any aparent prompting?

[LoboDiabloLoneWolf]

I got the impression that Sekto didn't put up the bounty in the middle of the story. I mean, I doubt any of the towns but NYC would have such a specialised bounty, plus as been as they're near the Mongo itself - where the Steef used to live - they'd be the only ones to have that kind of bounty wouldn't they?

And maybe the clerk thought that if Stranger could handle all the Outlaws, he could maybe take on the 'big guns' as it were...

Wow, that was rambling...sorry...

[Dark Elite_H2]

Motivation to kill the Steef?

Uh...well...that's, kind'a 'ard to come up with...Well, maybe Sekto, while the octigi in the Mongo River, got tired of the grubbs fishin' up in the river, you know, probably stealing his species, and gobbling them up.
So, Sekto decided to kill the Grubbs. But the Steef needed to be rid of.
So he hosted the elder Steef, built the Sekto Springs dam, and shot all the Steef he could find, until he could get to the Grubbs, and kill them all as well...

Eh...mine sounds far fetched. That's what my theory is how Sekto got the motivation to kill the Steef...
Opinions are open to me.

[Cullen Heath]

but what motivated Sekto to put up the bounty right in the middle of the story without any aparent prompting?

You never know, maybe Sekto puts them up very frequently.

[Wil]

I got the impression that Sekto didn't put up the bounty in the middle of the story. I mean, I doubt any of the towns but NYC would have such a specialised bounty, plus as been as they're near the Mongo itself - where the Steef used to live - they'd be the only ones to have that kind of bounty wouldn't they?

But the only place we actually see the Steef bounty is in Buzzarton, though the Townsfolk in NYC talk about it, suggesting it is there as well and obviously just can't be selected as a mission for the gamer to complete. Buzzarton and Gizzard Gulch are built in the dried river bed of the Mongo River, so there will be Grubb settlements near each, and consequently the possibility of Steef protecting them.

Eh...mine sounds far fetched.

Not really, it's what we've already agreed upon.

You never know, maybe Sekto puts them up very frequently.

That's the best idea I've heard so far. It does make you wonder whether the Clakkers get so excited about it every time the bounty is renewed.

[Nate]

Perhaps in the past he's always relied on the outlaws to bring in Steef but now that no more have been showing up he's widening the search to include the local bounty hunters as well. And then when he finds out that someone does know where to find a steef, he goes and calls an outlaw to finish the job.

[Dark Elite_H2]

Perhaps in the past he's always relied on the outlaws to bring in Steef but now that no more have been showing up he's widening the search to include the local bounty hunters as well. And then when he finds out that someone does know where to find a steef, he goes and calls an outlaw to finish the job.

There's another good idea.
But, no matter what we say, it's all in Lorne's mind of how he made sekto motivated. He was the creator fer odd's sakes!

[Nepharski]

So, I needed that for an article which I have already sent to the editor, but still, let's get it straight (it was already discussed somewhere, but I didn't fully get it):

Stranger's secret was that he was a Steef. Stranger looks bipedal, but actually has 4 legs, so he wanted 2 of them removed, right? Was it because he thought he is a freak, or he actually knew he's a Steef, so he wanted the operation to be no longer recognized as a Steef?

and also: who was Sekto's host body? Did he want to use Stranger as the next host?

Steefs are seen, in the modern world, as savage monsters, considered nothing more than mere beasts. If the world knew what he was, his life would be in danger from the scared and the greedy.

Sekto's host was one of the previous river guardians of the Mongo. I'm going to assume that his host ain't what it used to be, and he's in need of a new "Donner." Sketo is a parasite, and thusly requires a living entity to sustain himself off of.

[Nate]

There's another good idea.
But, no matter what we say, it's all in Lorne's mind of how he made sekto motivated. He was the creator fer odd's sakes!

That doesn't mean that no-one else should be able to understand it. Speaking as someone who's done a bit of writing myself (and ingested a lot of both good and bad stories) it is 100% necessary that the audience should be able to understand a character's decisions. See, an author will often decide what is necessary to further the plot (like setting up a bounty for Steefs) before thinking about why the character would do that. A good author is able to make all plot twists 100% plausible to the audience (it doesn't need to be clear - there could be some discussion on the exact thought process like here but it must not be totally illogical) because otherwise they will stick out like a sore thumb.

And, in terms of whether sekto needed a new host, did his bounty offer specify that the steef had to be brought in alive? Because I didn't get that impression at all.

[Cullen Heath]

That's the best idea I've heard so far. It does make you wonder whether the Clakkers get so excited about it every time the bounty is renewed.

Honestly, I have no idea, and I feel really stupid saying this, but, was that Sarcasm?

[Wil]

Kind of, but not the aggressive kind of sarcasm. I just decided to point out conflicting evidence in a more cheerful way than I usually do.

I'm going to assume that [Sekto's] host ain't what it used to be, and he's in need of a new "Donner."

Sekto wants Stranger's head for his trophy wall. He needs the head to control his host…it seems.

[Nate]

Ummm... What?

I'd say he just likes the decorations and the feeling of superiority he gets from displaying his dead enemies. Plus Steef horns are so useful to hang your hat on.

I just thought of an interesting question: do you think that the old Steef would have failed if he had Grubb backup? Or, to put it another way, do you think Stranger would have been able to beat Sekto if the Grubbs hadn't been bombarding the dam?

[Xavier]

actually I don't realy know.
The grubbs don't feel realy usefull when you are in the Dam.
But that doesn't mean they aren't, they were maybe distracting lots of Wolvarks while Stranger made his way trough to Sekto's office with less guards to cope with.

[Wil]

Ummm... What?

I'd say he just likes the decorations and the feeling of superiority he gets from displaying his dead enemies. Plus Steef horns are so useful to hang your hat on.

I'm reading that as a reply to my post. I meant Sekto needs the host to retain its head. I wasn't questioning why he had Steef heads on display.

[Nate]

Gotcha. It sounded like you were saying that he needed Stranger's head to control his current host.

[Cullen Heath]

Do you think Stranger would have been able to beat Sekto if the Grubbs hadn't been bombarding the dam?

GamePlay wise?:
If I'm the one playing, of course.

But really, Nate. He's a Steef. Of course he would have been able to (At least in my opinion.).