Anti-Christman Babble -

OANST · #31 12-15-2005, 05:33 AM

That is isn't intolerant. It's stupid, maybe. I'll give you that. But if you believe something and there is another belief that is completely contradictory to your belief it is well within the realm of tolerance to think that you are right. Intolerance would be WANTING people to go to hell because they belong to a different religion. Thinking that they will and trying to help them is not intolerant.

Lovo328 · #32 12-15-2005, 07:22 AM

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I celebrate at christmas, but only because my family do, and we aren't christians, we're heretics (me and dad) or agnostic (mum).

Enlighten me about heretics. I forgot... what they do.

Rich · #33 12-15-2005, 07:47 AM

Mostly, they engage in acts of heresy.

Dino · #34 12-15-2005, 08:08 AM

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But that is the point. They truly believe that if you don't come over that you will go to hell. It is extremely intolerant to get upset with someone who is trying to save your soul.

I've just had a word with my Dad who is a christian, and he says that basically the only person who saves your soul is God himself. People cannot believe without having a personal experience. Educating people about Christianity puts them in a place where they will be able to make the right decision if they have a religious experience, or they come across something inexplicable that can only be explained as an act of the christian God, due to relevance that they would not have noticed if they were not educated about Christianity.

The same is true for all other religions. It's not about going round saving souls... people should be educating where the education is wanted. It says in the Bible that Jesus himself pointed out that it was counterproductive to attempt to force people to hear things they did not want to or were uninterested in. That makes sense to me to be honest. I'm put off by all these people who try to convert everyone... they scare me in actual fact, as I suspect that many of them are insane.

Statikk HDM · #35 12-15-2005, 08:57 AM

Getting my licks in on the sect thing: For centuries there were more Jews than Christians, and as Christianity accepts all the Old Testament and their entire New Testament is pretty much this:Jesus was the Jew Savior I'll say that for hundreds of years they were a sect. Then the whole Schism things and now there are more branches and factions and SECTS of Christianity than friggin' ice cream flavors. The Messianic Jews thing is a little harder, but since they teach everything Christianity does I think they're Christians with great facial hair.
Also, Dino, I'll hazard a guess and say your dad is evangelical. Not a big deal, its just some people say that man is born a complete enemy to God and they'll never be able to "decide" to follow God by themselves.They say that the Holy Spirit has to work faith into them. Some people would talk your dad's ear off about that(Dean) but since he believes Jesus lived perfectly and died for the world's sins then 1 ticket to Heaven for him. Its too bad churchs frown on ecumenical stuff otherwise we could all just sit down and hammer it out. 1000 years of "You're going to Hell because you think Z instead of Y" is pretty silly and counterproductive if you ask me.

***Nate*** · #36 12-15-2005, 08:07 PM

Sorry, I'm confused: what do you mean by "Jesus was the Jew Savior"?

OANST: perhaps I wasn't clear enough what I meant. I think it's intolerant because missionaries are saying that no-one has a right to a religious opinion unless they agree with what the missionaries believe.

OANST · #37 12-16-2005, 05:30 AM

That is intolerant. I can agree with that.