What's gonna happen to Blair?

[Statikk HDM]

From what I hear, the Hutton report and the suicide/murder? of Kelly are going to land him in deep shit. Whats happening in the houses? I'm hearing all sorts of talk about rallying troops and such. It seems like a bloodless coup is on the horizon and I say good. Blair is such a lying little lap dog and croney to Bush and the far right. He can go get screwed for all I care;one less jackass with clout to suck up to Shrub. I'd really like some info on this and you guys are my best bet.

[Codek]

From what I hear, the Hutton report and the suicide/murder? of Kelly are going to land him in deep shit. Whats happening in the houses? I'm hearing all sorts of talk about rallying troops and such. It seems like a bloodless coup is on the horizon and I say good. Blair is such a lying little lap dog and croney to Bush and the far right. He can go get screwed for all I care;one less jackass with clout to suck up to Shrub. I'd really like some info on this and you guys are my best bet.

Well basically, a national newspaper, The Sun, claimed that it recieved leaked documentation, saying that Blair was completely cleared. Although this coincided with what The Sun wanted, it still caused an uproar. People are not happy with the thought that Tony Blair will get away with it. They don't want some kind of anonymous, blaimless body such as the MOD or the BBC to get the flak for it, they want Blair to take the stick for what he did.

I have personally not heard anything from the report yet, but from what I gathered off of news reports, the hutton enquiry forced the person in charge of the BBC to resign. So I'd hazard a guess that the BBC are going to get the brunt of it. Which will hopefully cause a public uproar, and will make the british people decide to force Blair to resign.

[Teal]

*brief note before she has to run to catch the bus*

Tony Blair and the rest of the Government have been completely cleared of any involvement, so basically the BBC has taken the full force of all the blame. Some people say Greg Dyke (Director General of the BBC) should also resign, but no word on that yet. And yes, people are angry Bliar got off scot free.

That is all. *runs*

Edit: "Shrub" - hehe.

[Hobo]

Greg Dyke Resigned earlier today...

[Jacob]

To be honest i don't mind Blair that much, and i think he was sincere when he said he believed that Iraq had WoMD pointed at us and ready to go in 45 minutes. I think the person responsible for that intelligence should take the flak and not the Government, because at the end of the day if he had just treated it like "Oh blah, whatever!" then people would be going "O-M-G...HE'S PUTTING US IN DANGER!!" etc. It wouldn't surprise me if Bush got somebody to tell Blair the above so that Blair would join him. But i'd rather have the Americans as our closest Allies then anybody else.

I hope Labour get in next election, the new Conservative leader is a semential quibble of a stain.

[Wil]

I'm not one to wander into the strange territory of politics, but I'm bemused by this whole incident. Wasn't Hutton meant to give a completely, utterly impartial jurisdiction? I don't see how the Government isn't to blame, so how did they get off so unscathed? In what way was the BBC responcible for Dr Kelley's "suicide"?

As for Greg Dyke, he's always struck me as a bad person to have in charge of the Beeb, but I honestly wouldn't know.

Always amused me to think of his wife's name, though. *immature tittering*

[Esus]

Havnt read a bit past the first post.
basically, Blair is a great PM. It'll be a sad day when we see him go, a very sad one. The nice ol' friendly conservative party screwed up this country good and proper and Blair has tried to rectify the failures of the torys, but the public dont like it, because it might cost them a bit more money - the selfish idiots. The Hutton enquiry exposed some things, but I believe Blair came out on top (no surprise, who, after all, did Lord Hutton work for )

Greg Dike was great too, IMO. And its a great shame that one of the best British corporations has lost it's main man, merely so the BBC doesnt get a bad name. I prefer Blair to Dike, Blair's brilliant. Just pretend the war never happened and think of everything the torys screwed up and everything hes attempting to fix. Greg Dike did a lot of good for the BBC, he even gave the go-ahead to a nw DR. Who series, which has gotta be good for them.

And yes, people are angry Bliar got off scot free.

Oh, come on, its only the idiot tories who are angry because they wanna rule and screw up the country again, and half the population love them because they claim to be able to fix all their own mistakes for absolutely no money. Ridiculous!

Blair is such a lying little lap dog and croney to Bush and the far right. He can go get screwed for all I care;one less jackass with clout to suck up to Shrub

I see you are yet to rip the propaganda which is glued to your eyes by Torie newspapers... well, I'll let you keep your stunted idiotic opinions.

[Wil]

...a new DR. Who series, which has gotta be good for them.

Yes, just like the new Bill and Ben was good. Or the new Basil Brush. Or the new Only Fools and Horses. Having said that, I am looking forward to it. I'm a fan, even though I've never actually watched an episode. Unbelievable, hey?

The subject of Torries screwing things up briefly came up in TGA, or was it TSR? I concluded they can't have been that bad, since an entire board full of intelligent people seemed incapable of explaining anything bad they ever did. The only thing I know about them is that they introduced the Poll Tax, which failed because people were too selfish to be reasonable and fair.

And that they're right-wing, which does in fact make them bad, but that may be a stereotype for all I know.

Like I say, my ventures into the political arena are few, far between, and infringed with icy surfaces for me to slip up and snap my dignity in two.

[Codek]

Basically all the polls are showing that britain thinks it was a whitewash, and that blair deserves to be skewered on a wrought iron spear.

[Jacob]

I hope Labour do get in again. The Tories did something bad to the dock workers apparently, and took milk off kiddies and, that Howard person [Tony Howard?] wanted to have the Homosexual age of consent to 18 and also didn't want Homosexuality to be taught in schools as part of sex education. I really don't want the Tories to get in, then again i am biased due to the whole lack of testosterone thing. But still. Muffies are unevolved cretins...

[Esus]

Basically all the polls are showing that britain thinks it was a whitewash, and that blair deserves to be skewered on a wrought iron spear.

Because they have to fix the torie shit, because they didnt like the tories when they screwed it up, adn thats reflected on labour, so now they like the tories because they seem good.

Elaborating on Jacbos bad points on the tories:
lets not forget the initial tuition fees introduciton. w/o them, that vote would never have happened the other day.

[Codek]

Too many people are supporting labour.

Labour are idiots. They ****ed up so many times, they are lucky the whole country hasn't gone into dissent against them.

Labour wankers.

[Esus]

How exactly have labour ****ed up? Its the conservatives that wrecked the country and destroyed the economy.Labour are trying to fix it, and the conservative failures are reflected off upon them.

[Codek]

How exactly have labour ****ed up? Its the conservatives that wrecked the country and destroyed the economy.Labour are trying to fix it, and the conservative failures are reflected off upon them.

The difference is, the Conservative party practically planned to **** up. But the labour party went one step better by saying they would do all these great things, then **** up and backpeddle.

The conservatives did do considerable damage, but so did the labour party. It's just that it is less apparant to you at this moment in time. When it goes down in history books, you will probably realise the real scale in which the Labour party tripped, fell, and landed on it's arse, with the words "I'm trying to break a chocolate bar in my back pocket" shortly following.

The Labour party managed to incite the largest anti war protest in human history. They lied to the UK on numerous occasions. Not only with their false promises about healthcare and education, but also with their intelligence claims about WMDs. And when anyone made any kind of suggestion that the intelligence was wrong, they got squashed by the giant sumo ass that is the labour party facekeeping strategy. David Kelly being an excellent example of getting sumo ass trampled.

I think I'm well within my rights to insist that the Labour party ****ed up. They promised lots of good stuff, and in the end the didn't deliver it. They delivered riots and scandal instead. Which just isnt good enough to be honest. Even if the conservatives did more damage, that still doesn't change the fact that the labour party and it's inept Tory leader ****ed up.

[Esus]

Oh yes, and I'm sure the conservatives will come up with all the crap they've been promising. They just say it to get voted in. They direct their campaign on what matters to the people at the moment, but never follow it through. its the same for both.

We can also be pretty sure that if the conservatives gain power, they'll get rid of the NHS, which is a large enough reason to not vote them, having to pay for medical care is plainly barbaric.

[Codek]

The problem is, there aren't any decent sides to be voting for. We're ****ed either way, unless some new party comes along. A scenario that I see as highly improbable.

[Statikk HDM]

I like the analogy Death used for Labour. They never screw up;Labour members are perfect. Bullcrap. And are you saying that Blair ain't a Bush croney? He'll believe any line Bush feeds him, they'll be announcing their marriage anytime soon. The Presidency could throw shit against the wall and Blair would lick the bricks clean. As evidenced by his utter idiocy on the WMD info.

[Esus]

And are you saying that Blair ain't a Bush croney? He'll believe any line Bush feeds him, they'll be announcing their marriage anytime soonp

One of the reasons why I hate more public debates. People's minds are devastated by propaganda.

[Wil]

People's minds are devastated by propaganda.

Thent he propaganda is doing its job. *wanders away from the politics again*

[Codek]

Thent he propaganda is doing its job. *wanders away from the politics again*

The problem is, it's hard to tell the difference between propaganda and truth. The public don't have any inside knowlege. They are at the mercy of whatever the media and government say. Which one they beleive depends on which one looks/sounds/behaves less irritating or sounds more beleiveable.

Propaganda only becomes apparant when later action or evidence contradicts it. Governments can't afford to cover things up with propaganda and lies all the time - they get voted in for what they promise to do, if they don't do it then people will know. Just saying that these WMDs are there isn't good enough, they need to actually be there. The government set themselves up to recieve shit, a scenario that they should've seen coming a long time ago. Which is the reason why we all beleive that Tony Blair is an idiot. Either that, or a god damned sheep.

There is no propaganda telling us that Tony Blair is a twat. There is no propaganda telling us that the Hutton report was a whitewash. We made our minds up ourselves, because unlike Tony Blair, we aren't gullible bootlickers. And above all, because there are no Torie favouring newspapers that are pushing out these stories, and there are certainly no news channels...

[Esus]

And above all, because there are no Torie favouring newspapers that are pushing out these stories,

Yes there are...

[Codek]

Yes there are...

Well, none that are considered widely known and respected papers. All the big ones such as the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, and The Sun tend to remain unaffiliated in terms of political standpoint. And while certain reporters and journalists for these papers may have their own political preferences, their reportings only cover the facts, and steer well clear of propaganda.

[Esus]

As far as I know the Mirror, the Guardian are Labour, The Mail and telegraph are Tory papers whilst he Independant is the one that tends to remain unaffiliated... I could be wrong though.

[Statikk HDM]

Why am I the one whos been brainwashed, Esus? You stick up for Blair every chance you get!

[Esus]

I only stick up for Blair when people talk BS about him. If you spoke the negative truth about him (im sure there is some), then I'll admit it.

The Presidency could throw shit against the wall and Blair would lick the bricks clean. As evidenced by his utter idiocy on the WMD info.

What would you expect any person to react to this? First, look up the word idiocy and work out if what you say is correct, and then rethink your first part, which is also BS.
What did you expect me to say? Yeah, he licks Bushes shit of walls the twat? No, I won't say that, because you don't know what you're talking about.

Most of what i say could not be the truth either, it's just the side I choose to believe because it is the most logical and likely.

[Statikk HDM]

So, Blair defends some of the worst info EVER on the yellowcake issue, believes every claim Bush makes about WMDs, including the claim that Hussein could hit any target with WMDs within 45 hours, and he isn't an idiot? I strongly suggest you look up the word hypocrite, but don't be too surprised when you see your picture, Esus.

[Jacob]

Blair had his own Intelligence. Or lack of, as seems to be the case. At the end of the day would you rather Saddam still be in power, making attempts to build WMDs like its been proven, to eventually build one and then attack you? No...precisely.

[Hobo]

What I have heard is that Saddam Hussein actually thought that he DID have WMD's, but his country didn't actually have them. If you were SH's Military adviser, would you dare tell him that all his threats couldn't actually be carried out as they have no WMD's anyway?

[Lucipher]

I HATE BLAIR! And even though he is the prime minister of the country I come from, I would happily kick his big eared, buck toothed head into the dirt and then run him over in a challenger2 tank, and then reverse and accelerate and reverse then accelerate until his body is fossilised into the road.