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Polygon Transcript!

Bwahaha! I finally got my own copy of Polygon! No more depending on Shell Man! No offense to Shell Man of course. Anyway, here’s a transcript from the Oddworld Issue of Polygon. Took me hours to type up. Enjoy!

NOTE: There may be some spelling errors...which are purely accidental.

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Oddworld Inhabitants wants to change the gaming medium forever. With their unyielding story-driven approach to game development, they might just succeed.

As far as gaming companies go, Oddworld Inhabitants is in a class all its own. How many other unproven first-time game developers would be confident enough in its very first attempt at making a game not only to swipe company’s name from that effort, but to promise that it was the first part of a quintology of games? How many companies could not only make an innovative-yet-old-school 2D platformer in the midst of the 3D revolution, but also make one that appeals to casual gamers while simultaneously beating them about the neck and face with its level of difficulty? How many companies would have the stones to create games laced with themes damning rampant capitalism and the globally corporate mindset for the benefit of international juggernauts Sony and Microsoft?

We recently spent a few days at the offices of the Oddworld Inhabitants to find out what their world so distinctively Odd, and while we expected the explanations to be anything but bland, we didn’t expect it to be so damn complicated, either. There are a million different things that separate the people and produsts of Oddworld Inhabitants from those of your normal developer, but there’s no simple theme to herd them all under. Trying to tell someone what makes Oddworld, Oddworld, is like trying to explain what makes a person human. Like any living thing, Oddworld is defined more by a collection of traits rather than a single label.

To get an idea of some of the primary traits, we started with the company’s co-founder, president, and creative director Lorne Lanning. After all, the entire Oddworld universe is Lanning’s baby, a series of stories he’d wanted to tell for years before he got into the gaming business, a modern parable empowering the hopeless in an oppressive world.

“It started with a very dark theme of a very contemporary fear of the masses, or at least the educated masses and the third world,” Lanning explains as Oddworld’s orgins. “It also started with the premise that we would be showing images of hope through the eyes of those lowest on the food chain in an overpowering world that we could relate to. Oddworld was going to be the cracked mirror of our own reality, showing us ourselves through these very strange characters, and showing us more of the world that we already relate to in a way that would tickle our funny bone and at the same time stimulate more of our intellectual capacity.”

With a story in place, Lanning chose videogames, “the most powerful medium to hit the planet ever,” in his words, as the vehicle for his tales. Despite that high esteem, Lanning will be the first to tell you this medium is a long way from reaching its potential.

“Historically, I’ve found that the game medium is very disappointing as a storytelling medium because the nature of the two mediums are in conflict,” Lanning says. “Good stories are about ever-changing conditions, ever-changing conflicts. Games are built upon repeatable mechanics, whereas stories are built on changing circumstances. What I find is developers of a game often compromise what a story could have been because if you’ve really synergized those two well, then your game mechanics should be very closely related to who the character is and what he is.”

Previous games in the Oddworld series have certainly tied story deeply into the game mechanics, but Lanning wants to go even further and truly reconcile the seemingly counteracting goals of giving a gamer complete and total freedom to do what they want but tell them a finely-crafted story at the same time.

“We don’t have that beautiful synergy of story matching the gameplay. I do believe it’s possible. We’re one of the companies that is trying to truly crack that nut in a way that compromises neither, yet enhances both gameplay and story. But it’s challenging. It’s definitely a lot easier to just say, ‘let’s build a challenging game and not try to tell a perfect story.’”

While there’s bound to be plenty of experimentation on the way to realizing that a synergy of story and gameplay, one thing you won’t see Oddworld games toy with is gratuitous violence. When Oddworld co-founder and CEO Sherry McKenna started the company with Lanning nine years ago, one condition of her involvement in the company was that they would not indulge in the violence common among the industry’s hit titles of the time, like id Software’s Doom.

“I’m not against violence,” McKenna explains. “I’m against gratuitous violence. I’m not here to make Marry Poppins and I have no desire to make educational games. So in our games the violence hopefully, if we succeed, has a purpose.”

There are two more staples guaranteed to play a role in any Oddworld game: intellectual property and subtext. While the former sounds pretty obvious considering Lanning started the company to tell his own original stories, the reason for holding the rights to the games and characters was just as much a sound decision as an artistically gratifying one.

“I’ve always viewed game design as a way to create intellectual property, “ Lanning says. “That takes nothing away from the art of game design. It only considers that it has greater opportunities than are largely looked at. That’s a big way I saw it before we started the company in 1994, and that’s one of the ways that I convinced Sherry to actually be the CEO of this company. The reason is because in the long run, intellectual property has far greater value than any one individual game.”

To cultivate that property and make it worth something, Lanning knew it had to be built around a great story, preferably one with a devoted fan base. Gleaning some knowledge from other prized intellectual properties like Star Wars and Star Trek, Lanning realized the key for creating a world in which people could believe.

“What’s important to fan culture is that they need to have faith without even thinking about it that the creators understand a lot more of that world and that universe and all the reasons why than you were able to witness in one product. So when you think of designing a property like that and you think of the importance of a fan base, you need to go really deep into why you're making the decisions that you do because ultimately a great story is a small boat swimming on an ocean of subtext. And if your stories evolve that way and are developed that way, then you really do have most of the answers for why you make the decisions you did or why the characters are the way they are.”

It’s not enough that Lanning knows what makes something belong in Oddworld. There’s an entire company of developers that needs to be on the same page in order to realize his vision. As production designers for Oddworld Inhabitants, Silvio Arbischer and Raymond Swanland have designed most every character in the company’s forthcoming, as-yet untitled game. And even though Lanning’s vision shapes the universe, he’s often hazy about the specific look of form of what he needs, so Arbischer and Swanland have had to become very adept as interpreting his enthusiasm and giving his stories a visual form .

“Generally Lorne will have a pretty good idea of the environments and the vehicles we want,” Swanland says of the creation process. “But Lorne is very interested in having us take the idea on the most vague of levels and saying ‘OK, now show me the stuff that you think would fit in this world that we’re creating with this new game.’ Then it becomes an interactive process where what we create can inspire him and can take the story off in any direction.”

“There’s a sense of history, a sense of realism,” Arbischer says, pondering Oddworld’s distinctive nature. “There’s a certain depth, images that are associated. For example a dam, what it does and how it holds back. It’s not just a wall. There are some other icons that go with it. It could be a big plug, or a giant spider that’s holding all this water back on the building, the pumps and all that looks like its creepy arms. It has a different subtext to get the concept across better. So it’s not just a wall. What we’re trying to do is make that wall have character. Character in a building, character in a vehicle, It’s not just a shape.”

Now we’re getting a more complete picture of what makes a game fit for development at Oddworld. It tells a story and provides an entertaining experience, pushing both the gameplay and narrative techniques towards a convergence point that will revolutionize the gaming industry. It uses violence sparingly, and only with a purpose behind it. It is an original intellectual property to allow the developers the freedom to change the universe and characters as they choose. And finally, there is depth and substance to the games, with layers of meaning and stories behind everything.

As you might have guessed, unique gaming experience that live up to these demands come from very unique, very demanding workplaces. At first glance, Oddworld Inhabitants might look like the inside of any other game development house. There’s plenty of art on the walls, promotional materials in the waiting area, scattered toys and Mexican wrestling masks adorning desks and cubicle walls. But not everything is as normal as it seems.

As part of her duties as the company’s CEO, McKenna makes sure to promote a happy, emphatically healthy work force. The company maintains a support staff on site to take care of the developers’ every non-gaming related needs, running errands and cleaning up after them so they can get to the business of making games. Everyone gets a health club membership as a part of their employee benefits. Everyone is given plenty of bottled water, fresh fruit and vitamins to encourage good nutrition. McKenna’s health culture so permeates the office that when employees confess to sneaking potato chips into the building for mid-day snaking, they do so in a hushed tones, almost begging us not to expose their terrible, terrible secret. They don’t ask that for fear of punishment, however. We get the impression it was more out of a desire not to disappoint their employer.

That devotion and loyalty to the group is rare in any company, but it has to be there if Oddworld is to realize its ambitions. Lanning knows how valuable that chemistry is, as well as how difficult it can be to come by. If you ask him, he’ll tell you it took Oddworld’s first eight years and three games of existence before things fell into place.

“We had half a company of people that wanted to make as good a game as possible by 6 p.m., and half a company that wanted to make a great game [period]. And that led to them resenting each other.”

This difference in approach was so pronounced that even a casual observer could spot it. After a visit to the development house, former Xbox Technical Director Seamus Blackley pointed out that there were two separate cultures at work there.

Towards the end of development on Munch’s Oddysee, the culture became a bit more homogenous, with the full-timers moving on and the all-timers showing they had the chops to stick with the company. The reason they gave for enjoying their jobs differed on the surface, but they all boiled down to each Oddworld Inhabitant’s different way of doing things.

“The whole company vision is a lot stronger that anywhere I’ve been,” said Lead programmer Charles Bloom. “At most of the companies I’ve been at, you feel like everybody’s doing their job. And even though each person is doing their job fine, you’re not all on the same page. The animators don’t talk to the programmers and thing like that.”

According to Technical Director Iain Morton, lack of communications is most definitely not a problem.

“It’s kind of neat working for this company where Lorne, the president will come by and sit at your desk and just chit-chat with you and help you with your stuff,” Morton explains. “It’s also neat to hear the ideas coming straight from the horses mouth, versus the company I was at before with a staff of 500 where by the time you get a shot handed off to you, it’s gone through 10 people and a bunch of different iterations and you don’t feel as connected with”

The draw is so great here that one of the newest Inhabitants, Lead Game Designer Erik Yeo, even left Seven Studios, a company he helped start, in order to work for Lanning and company.

“It’s certainly a lot friendlier than some other places I’ve been,” Yeo says. “There isn’t this super hierarchy. Everyone tends to be a lot more on a friend level and everyone works works together rather than working for someone. We all have the same goal in mind, and ultimately.”

As ambitious and admirable as the company’s goals and corporate culture are, and as infectiously enthusiastic the people of Oddworld Inhabitants might be for the work they do, they are not above the realities of modern game development. No example could underscore this fact more than the Xbox development of Munch’s Oddysee. Company COO Maurice Konkle sets the scene.

“We made a deal with Microsoft and the deal was we were going to deliver for them a launch title. That was the really important thing. And there was no circumstance under which we were not going to deliver a title for them at launch. We were going to produce absolutely the best title we could produce. We started working on the platform in October of 2000 and we delivered around November 1 of 2001. We moved Heaven and earth to get that game done. From a creative point of view and what we would have liked to accomplish there’s no question it would have been better to take more time and deliver a year later.”

While far from terrible, it wasn’t what anyone at Oddworld had hoped for either, and it’s easy to see that the failures of that game still haunt Lanning.

“What happened in Munch was there were various problems at various stages of development,” Lanning explains. “It started off with too large an idea. It started off with too aggressive a goal and we weren’t able to pull it off. And there’s a list of reasons why, but we weren’t able to pull of that vision. And when that happens, you still have a contract. You still have a budget. You still have deadlines and you gotta make good if you’re going to stay in business. You just can’t throw up your hands and say, ‘Guess what, guys? You blew all your money. Guess what? It’s not going to be what we wanted so lets close the doors and go home.’ You have to make it work if you’re a pro.”

In this case, “making it work” meant compromising on both the intended gameplay and story. Munch was originally supposed to be a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde character, where he would get angry and become a berserk monster due to adrenal steroid testing that had been performed on him. Unfortunately the technical considerations of having this happen in the middle of gameplay were too great to be done in time for Xbox launch, so that whole idea was scrapped in order to make good on the company’s arrangement with Microsoft.

The process of pushing Munch out the door was so distressing to Lanning that he’s currently reconsidering the entire Oddworld series. When Abe’s Oddysee came out, Lanning made no secret that it was supposed to be the first episode in a quintology of stories. The plan was to have five primary Oddworld games that are the bulk of the story, with tangentially related games to pad the company coffers in between the key titles. The current project is another side story, but that doesn’t mean the quintology will continue with the studios next game. Or even the one after that.

“The quintology to me was first story and then games,” Lanning says. “It was one vast, epic story. But Munch was such an uncomfortably challenging experience and so absolutely compromising to how the story was originally conceived and originally written that it caused me to question whether or not I want to finish the quintology as games first or have the movies first, but I don’t want to compromise the story for the sake of an awkward development system, shaky technological advances or lack thereof. The stories are too important to me.”


That said, Lanning doesn’t want us to think he’s becoming disillusioned with video games.

“I’m critical of the medium because I believe in its potential more than most,” Lanning explains. “There’s no doubt in my mind that in 20 years the game technology medium will be the delivery system for entertainment. We won’t call them games anymore because they will have evolved above that primordial identity. What we’re really talking about is into virtual worlds and the next stage of that is composite realities.”

Even if Lanning won’t endanger his quintology of stories by trying to make them before the medium is ready, he’s still going to push the envelope of what games can do. While the progress of our gaming machines’ abilities to think in ones and zeroes will improve with time, Oddworld Inhabitants will be working on the subtler art of making games, of making you feel attachment to a character, of tellinga story that acts as more that an excuse for gameplay, of creating games that challenge the norm and prove that games can be every bit as touching and enriching as a Dickens classic. If they realize these ambitions, you can bet a huge paradigm shift that will reshape the way games are made from the concept stage onward will occur. And in the aftermath of that shift, it’s a safe bet that the Oddworld way of doing things will become the norm.
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Thanks much for the transcript

I can't believe Lorne was so distressed about Munch's Oddysee. The article itself comes across as a saga.

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It made me feel bad for criticizing Munch. It seemed Lorne was trying so hard to make everyone happy and get the game delivered on time that it almost gave him a nervous breakdown!

Here's what makes me really sad though...

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The current project is another side story, but that doesn’t mean the quintology will continue with the studios next game. Or even the one after that.
I guess Lorne feels his epic stories can't be portrayed in all their glory with the current development engines out there.

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“The quintology to me was first story and then games,” Lanning says. “It was one vast, epic story. But Munch was such an uncomfortably challenging experience and so absolutely compromising to how the story was originally conceived and originally written that it caused me to question whether or not I want to finish the quintology as games first or have the movies first, but I don’t want to compromise the story for the sake of an awkward development system, shaky technological advances or lack thereof. The stories are too important to me.”
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Poor Lorne, it must be extremly frustrating having to compromise Munch's story for money, time and technical limitations.
Maybe thay should take 10 years before starting the quintology again, i'd wait, even though i'd be 29!!!. Plus there's the rest of Oddworld too explore!!

I hope they don't just do the Quintology as movies, as games are the best interactive medium around.
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I hope they don't just do the Quintology as movies, as games are the best interactive medium around.
Actually, Lorne's original intention was to make Oddworld a motion picture series. However, due to monetary issues (and probably some others I've forgotten), Sherry and him decided to make the games first.

The movie series are still planned. Whether or not they are currently in work, planned for production as the quintology unfolds, or set aside until the quintology has finished, is anyone's guess.

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Yeh I know, but I would rather be able to play the games, and then go and see the movie/s.

I think Oddworld is one of those companies that will push the boundaries of gaming, sort of like Disney(when he was alive or pre-frozen)and the nine old men with animation.

Shame about the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde concept for Munch!! Maybe It'll be used in Exoddus in the years to come.
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Couldn't you have posted this in one of the two other topics based on the Polygon magazine?
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Well, I figured if people wanted to see the transcript, it would be easier to go to a thread about it, rather than sorting through on one of the other threads to find it.

Although, "Get the Oddworld Issue of Polygon While you still can!" and "Polygon...The Oddworld Issue" should most likely be merged.

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oh i wish i had the patience to read it all.
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Shame about the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde concept for Munch!! Maybe It'll be used in Exoddus in the years to come.
Hmmm, but how would they do that unless Munch was nabbed by Vykkers again? And that would be overdoing it... I'm sure Lorne will figure something out though.

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It shows just how difficult the creative business can be.

It is a fustraiting thing to face when these things come to you. Now I realise why Lanning wants to give Abe and Munch a break. Its because of that. And I don't blame him I would do the same if I were in his shoes. I think its smart to hold up on the quintology and work on these side games. Thats a good business decision.
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It will be exciting to see new stuff...like Stranger etc, but I'm going to miss good 'ol Abe and Munch. Acording to this article, we may not see them for three years.

In the end, I'm grateful for any OW game...no matter what characters they have.

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Maybe they already did the steroid testing on Munch but didn't say anything at the time. I guess it would be hard to work that concept into the games now!!

Just think if Munch had turned out as Lorne wanted Oddworld might have never came up with Stranger and his story. So I guess everything happens for a reason and Lorne and the inhabitants will be even more determined to make great original and innnovative games/movies, thats Karma for ya!
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Maybe they already did the steroid testing on Munch but didn't say anything at the time. I guess it would be hard to work that concept into the games now!!
It would be a stretch, but OWI could pull it off.

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Just think if Munch had turned out as Lorne wanted Oddworld might have never came up with Stranger and his story. So I guess everything happens for a reason and Lorne and the inhabitants will be even more determined to make great original and innnovative games/movies,
That's a good way of looking at it. I feel better!

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Nope Karma is the buddhist philosophy which Quarma is based on

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Yeah, when I read that article, I got a new perspective on the whole matter, I saw it as Lorne wanting to protect Abe and Munch from hving their stories sacrificed to a deadline. Lorne needed a new hero to step in and carry the series back to it's full potential so that Abe and Munch would have something better to come back to, and Stranger is that hero. That to me is why Stranger is such a different type of hero than the others, he's like Oddworld's savior in a time of crisis.
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Shame about the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde concept for Munch!! Maybe It'll be used in Exoddus in the years to come.
Ah. There's a problem with that. I doubt that OWI would like that, with Lorne Lanning(Ah, the wonders of copy and paste) saying that the're are gonna be five main games for the main plot, and others to thicken it. Munch has had his main game. Munch's Exoddus would be the bonus for it, and so not really for the huge plot elements like that.
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That doesn't mean Bonus Games Like AE have no plot. I'm not sure OWI would do that with Munch, but I know they could. I think ME will focus more on Munch with the eggs and Abe's story with Sam. I do know one thing though, it's going to be a while before we see ME. Stranger's going to be awesome though. I can't wait!

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hehe, okay Oddguy, and there was me trying to enlighten everyone.

I disagree about ME only going to be a filler bonus game, because it's obvious lorne didn't get what he wanted from MO, so he's going to want to make ME the game MO wasn't.
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Not necessarily though Scrubs. ME can be a totally different plot than what MO original plot was. Of course it may have all the old elements that were taken out and put back in but its not going to be the same story line. Because one Munch has already been captured and violated in every way and now that Vykkers Labs is currently out of service the Gabbiar is now Munch's, two Abe is now a partner with Munch.


If they were to put in the original story of Munch in Munch's bonus game it wouldn't make any kind of sense. It would be like Munch getting captured all over again. Now the old elements will most likely be put back in but the whole plot of the story will be changed to make it fit the quintology time line. With these side games like Stranger introduceing the concept of combineing the gameplay with the story and the plot, thats going to change ME a whole lot because these side games are experimenting with new gameing concepts that are most likely going to find its way into the quintology.

Lanning wants to introduce a new game every year instead of us waiting every two or three years for a quintology game or bonus game. Stranger is the sort of founder of yearly side games. Lanning pretty much invented a new gameing engine and thats why its takeing this long for Stranger. After Stranger its going to be a piece of cake because OWI will be working with this new engine. And at the same time developeing the next game or bonus game in the quintology series.
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Yeh sure it's going to be a new story for Munch, raising baby gabbits, trying to keep his lungs, and Abe trying to find Sam plus new story elements.
I mean that ME will be closer to the vision of what Lorne was trying to achieve with MO.
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Oddguy, thank you very much for the transcript.
It contains so much surprising informations!
wow, makes me dream, working for OWI must be an unique experience.

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I especially was interested in the support staff. What a great business idea. I'd never heard of it used elsewhere, but I could be wrong.

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are there any other side notes you didn't transcript? like the "Movies VS Games" in the page you scanned.

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are there any other side notes you didn't transcript? like the "Movies VS Games" in the page you scanned.
Yes, I think there are a couple little side notes in the article. I could type those up.

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please do... I would be very happy!

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Okay, here's a side note story you guys didn't see.
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Monogamous Relationship

Oddworld Inhabitants is a one-franchise kind of developer, a true rarity in this day and age of promiscuous game development. We tried to think of some other notable developers who took one franchise and stuck it through thick and thin, but most of them came up short in the end.

Polyphony Digital

You'd think with a franchise like Gran Turismo to go home to every night, the guys at Polyphony Digital wouldn't feel the need to wander or test the waters. Nevertheless, they had a fling in 1999 with the average sci-fi shoot-'em-up Omega Boost.

Maxis

These guys of course are synonomous with the Sim franchise games, but years ago when they were a publisher (our analogy's equivalent of a pimp we suppose), they also developed an under appreciated PC title about dueling genetic engineers called Unnatural Selection.

Valve

Although they snuck in WWWII title Day of Defeat and are working on Team Fortress 2, Half-Life has always been Valve's true love. Other projects like Team fortress Classic and Counter Strike, are based on, yes, Half Life. We'd think of them as affairs that the wife helped out with, but that's really stretching it...
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Yeh sure it's going to be a new story for Munch, raising baby gabbits, trying to keep his lungs, and Abe trying to find Sam plus new story elements.
I mean that ME will be closer to the vision of what Lorne was trying to achieve with MO.

Actually, I really hope he doesn't try to force the original story into ME. Hopefully he'll make up for MO with the Munch's Oddysee movie, fitting in all those extra pieces - after all, he has said that the movies will reveal a lot more than the games ever did.

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yay Oddguy thanks, I'm going to post about on oddblog.
wow more is on the way? great!

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