Something interresting: Stop the Sexist Seperation of Women, here's How

Statikk HDM · #1 02-19-2002, 08:54 PM

Demand women be allowed to play ALL sports co ed with men. I'm not sure if you have heard of it but a WNBA or women's national basketball association exsists along with the male only NBA, NHL NFL and whatever they call the lame soccer association in the U.S. I would think it highly interesting to see who is the best athlete all around. Can the women handle the larger men, or more importantly, can the men handle the women? Ever since that one woman in tennis beat that other guy in tennis this question has been pondered relentlessly through the ages. In my opinion nothing is more amazing or attractive than a relativly smart women who can play sports and be "one of the guys," and women can do anything as good as men if they want to. So, let's make it our goal to intergate both genders in sports in the interest of supporting friendly relationships between the genders and all around the globe

Gluk Schmuck · #2 02-19-2002, 09:15 PM

Sorry, but I don't appear to have any influence over the governing bodies of sports...

I'll certainly not be prejudice against anyone if I end up working with them and I won't be prejudice if I'm in any job where I have some power...

Surfacing · #3 02-20-2002, 08:59 AM

All i got to say about sexism is that, Men are the far more stronger and faster gender when it comes to sports.

Gluk Schmuck · #4 02-20-2002, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
All i got to say about sexism is that, Men are the far more stronger and faster gender when it comes to sports.

How would you know? They seperate males and females at most levels in sports.

I don't understand why the boys and girls are seperated in games at my school, there's no point in doing that. If I was a girl I could've had a chance at being able to do hockey this year, much better than football (the real football, not that American variation) in my opinion.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #5 02-20-2002, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
All i got to say about sexism is that, Men are the far more stronger and faster gender when it comes to sports.

Some sports yeah, but not all sports. It does'nt mean that girls can't handle pain.

Surfacing · #6 02-20-2002, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR

Some sports yeah, but not all sports. It does'nt mean that girls can't handle pain.

I'm not saying girls can't handle pain what i'm saying is girls can't handle as much pain as boys. Face it men can run faster, swin further,Left more weights, when it comes to sports men dominate. I'm not saying girls are bad at sport i'm just saying there not as good.

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #7 02-20-2002, 08:51 PM

Well, I don't think either sex is superior, but I really don't think sports will solve the problem.

Surfacing, I think women can stand much more pain than us. We don't have to give birth, do we? I am sure giving birth is more pain than any man can handle... and about sports, I don't know. I'm sure there are many women who are great at sports.

Joe the Intern · #8 02-20-2002, 08:56 PM

Surfacing, I know a lot of girls that are tenfold better at sports than I am. Half the girls at my school are better than most of the boys. As for the pain thing, I may not be a woman, but try to give birth someday. I garauntee you it's more painfual than anything you've ever experienced.

Edit: Oops! Looks like me and Mel posted at the same time! :S

Gluk Schmuck · #9 02-20-2002, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
I'm not saying girls can't handle pain what i'm saying is girls can't handle as much pain as boys(1). Face it men can run faster, swin further,Left more weights, when it comes to sports men dominate(2). I'm not saying girls are bad at sport i'm just saying there not as good(3).

1. One word, labour.

2. Are women alowed to play the football or rugby that gets on TV? No. You don't know whether women or men are better.
In the olympics women have lighter shotputs and stuff which stops them from directly competing with men.

3. Where's your proof?

Surfacing · #10 02-20-2002, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Melvin:squeeking paramite
Well, I don't think either sex is superior, but I really don't think sports will solve the problem.

Surfacing, I think women can stand much more pain than us. We don't have to give birth, do we? I am sure giving birth is more pain than any man can handle... and about sports, I don't know. I'm sure there are many women who are great at sports.

Why are you guys talking about birth? I'm talking about sports and only sports, Ok look if you get the fittest male in the world and the fittest female, the male will win the race easy, and yes we are the superiror gender when it comes to sports, that's why men fight wars not women.

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #11 02-20-2002, 09:19 PM

I know you're talking about sports, but you also said: "girls can't handle as much pain as boys" so we brought up that biologically, females stand more pain. And about you saying that men can win sports much easier, and stronger... well, you can't really prove this and it is incredibly sexist...

Sydney · #12 02-20-2002, 09:24 PM

Generally, males are physically stronger than females. It makes sense in evolutionary terms, as men would hunt and do more physically demanding jobs than women, who would pick berries, make clothes, etc.

But physical strength isn't the deciding factor on which sex is better at sport.

Surfacing · #13 02-20-2002, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Melvin:squeeking paramite
I know you're talking about sports, but you also said: "girls can't handle as much pain as boys" so we brought up that biologically, females stand more pain. And about you saying that men can win sports much easier, and stronger... well, you can't really prove this and it is incredibly sexist...

Yeah sure maby women can handle more pain if you bring in the birth part, but sport is not all about how much pain you can take. Sure there are some girls that could kick my ass in a game of basketball i'm not deneing that, but like i said, generally males are the faster stronger more stamina gender. And stick to sports to go drifting to birth again or pain.

Surfacing...

abe22 · #14 02-21-2002, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
that's why men fight wars not women.

You must be living in the past Surf. Women do go into the wars as medics and with the men in the fights. The army isn't just about killing people its got the medical section, computer section and many more. (You're in Australia haven't you seen them ads on tv "The Army the edge" stuff) they show women fighting in the East timor war thing.

About the sports yes men are better at their sports but women have their own sports that men arn't good at.

Now about the pain, women go through way more pain then men. And most sports do involve pain there isn't many sports that don't involve pain. Ok me shut up now.

Danny · #15 02-21-2002, 08:51 PM

I don't see what it matters that Women might not be as good at certain sports as men... Men aren't as good at certain sports as women... I don't think that really matters.

Quite frankly, I think that sometimes, women fight on the wrong side. Why would they want to play sport anyway? I don't. Sport is evil...

Same with the Army, when it comes down to it. Women used to kick up a big fuss about not being allowed in the army. Now, if I had been a woman back then, I'd have pointed out to my fellow women that being able to go out, fight, get diseases, get shot at, then die is not exactly the kind of "right" you want to fight for...

Sorry, got a bit off-topic there. That's my Anti-Sport Pacifist side coming out...

Melvin:squeeking paramite · #16 02-21-2002, 08:54 PM

Preach it, Dan! Down with sports... Down with war... Down with sports... Down with war... Down with sports... Down with war...

Gluk Schmuck · #17 02-21-2002, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
Same with the Army, when it comes down to it. Women used to kick up a big fuss about not being allowed in the army. Now, if I had been a woman back then, I'd have pointed out to my fellow women that being able to go out, fight, get diseases, get shot at, then die is not exactly the kind of "right" you want to fight for...

In America you have to sign-up for the army at some point and if there's a war you have to go and get yourself killed, it's a law or something.
(found that out on howstuffworks.com)

My point is that men are required to do that while women aren't. I wouldn't subscribe to that thing on the basis of the sexual descrimination of the whole thing.
Anyway, back on subject...If I were a woman in America I would just be hoping that I passed the 'too old' age before they introduced an equality policy.

Damn, I'm really jumbled-up today!
That was probably the most

Statikk HDM · #18 02-21-2002, 09:57 PM

Even with the army letting women enlist, it's not like they are going out in droves. Look at the major wars and you'll see that women are doing the easy shit 99 times out of a hundred. They're dancing for the troops and darning socks. Big deal. And war is hell, it isn't something I would like to do. I wouldn't draft dodge though, but that is irrelevant since there is no draft. Let the"brave" people go and die in some rinky dink country I don't care about at all, I'm gonna sit at home and pretend to hero worship Curious George so I don't appear unamerican.

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #19 02-21-2002, 09:59 PM

Yeah! Dan's actually right!

Danny · #20 02-21-2002, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by PinkHaired Mudokon CWR
Yeah! Dan's actually right!

*jaw drops in horror*

Quorisha AGREES with me? Satan must be getting chilly...

Surfacing · #21 02-22-2002, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by abe22

You must be living in the past Surf. Women do go into the wars as medics and with the men in the fights. The army isn't just about killing people its got the medical section, computer section and many more. (You're in Australia haven't you seen them ads on tv "The Army the edge" stuff) they show women fighting in the East timor war thing.

About the sports yes men are better at their sports but women have their own sports that men arn't good at.

Now about the pain, women go through way more pain then men. And most sports do involve pain there isn't many sports that don't involve pain. Ok me shut up now.

When i say go to war i meant go to the battle field with a gun to shoot and kill the enemy, men only do that not the women because they are to weak,and not fit enough and probebly could'nt take the pain, all women can be on the battle field are medics.

Also while we are on the topic i don't think i have ever heard one good women band think about it the greatest bands in the world are by men, i don't see why women try to compete in the first place.

Sl'askia · #22 02-22-2002, 02:38 PM

WRONG! Women fly fighter planes, pilot ships (save for submarines...last I heard), drive tanks, etc. They are out in the thick of it right alongside men, not just doing medical or administrative stuff behind the lines. Sure not as many...but they are out there. (for the record...I am not one to hold a gun and shoot someone...keep me as far away from the front lines as possible! Not my thing.)
As for sports...ugh...I hate them. Its all for the sake of money now a days, not for the sake of the game and having fun. It's sad really...a prime example of the greatest of evils....money.

Edit: Oh and how do I know about the women in the military bit? I am in the military bubba, so I know about it. You need to catch up with the times, it is not just a 'mans war' anymore. Women are out there shooting our enemies, fighting terrorists and such. I would back off the 'women are weak' bit if I were you before you get hurt *evil grin*

Gluk Schmuck · #23 02-22-2002, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Surfacing
1. When i say go to war i meant go to the battle field with a gun to shoot and kill the enemy, men only do that not the women because they are to weak,and not fit enough and probebly could'nt take the pain, all women can be on the battle field are medics.

2. Also while we are on the topic i don't think i have ever heard one good women band think about it the greatest bands in the world are by men, i don't see why women try to compete in the first place.

1. Women can kill people. In fact every woman in the army could probably kill someone easier than I could.

2. Considering you like mosh bands...How many mosh bands are girl bands? *thinks* None that I can think of!
I like Dido and Kylie, they aren't in girl bands but they're very good solo artists.
But does it matter? No.

Re Stattik's post: I'd draft-dodge if the draft existed here.

And why are sports important enough to make you misogynistic?

MunchOnThis · #24 02-22-2002, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
I would back off the 'women are weak' bit if I were you before you get hurt *evil grin*

You said it Dragadon!

Gluk Schmuck · #25 02-22-2002, 05:15 PM

Something interresting: Stop the Sexist Seperation of Women, here's How

1. Get rid of Surfacing.
2. Get rid of the rest of the misogynists.

That's how!

Danny · #26 02-22-2002, 10:41 PM

There now follows a list of good bands fronted by women:

Portishead (quite possibly my favourite band)

Drugstore (hardly groundbreaking, but a good band nonetheless)

Massive Attack (a bit of a cheat here, since most of the band and session musicians were male, but most of the singers were female)

Kittie (not my type of thing, but then you're into Metal, aren't you, Surf?)

Beth Orton (not a band, but she's still great)

PJ Harvey (need I say more?)

Alanis Morissette (a lot of people don't like her, but I do)

Belle and Sebastian (I really wish I hadn't sold the B&S CDs I had...)

Moloko (good stuff, and provides a nice bit of variation in any CD collection...)

Need I go on?

Surfacing · #27 02-22-2002, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by Dragadon
WRONG! Women fly fighter planes, pilot ships (save for submarines...last I heard), drive tanks, etc. They are out in the thick of it right alongside men, not just doing medical or administrative stuff behind the lines. Sure not as many...but they are out there. (for the record...I am not one to hold a gun and shoot someone...keep me as far away from the front lines as possible! Not my thing.)
As for sports...ugh...I hate them. Its all for the sake of money now a days, not for the sake of the game and having fun. It's sad really...a prime example of the greatest of evils....money.

Oh and how do I know about the women in the military bit? I am in the military bubba, so I know about it. You need to catch up with the times, it is not just a 'mans war' anymore. Women are out there shooting our enemies, fighting terrorists and such. I would back off the 'women are weak' bit if I were you before you get hurt *evil grin*

Oh wow, i'm in the air cadets aswell you ain't the only one with military experiene, sure the girls march with us and all that (they don't do that very well either) but i'm sure you have heard about the ranks right? Well then how come at my flight only the males have the higher more superior rank huh?? Hmmm let's see cause maby the girls just can't cut it to be a flight sargent or a C.U.O that's why! the highest for a girl i have seen at my flight is a sargent! that's Laughable considering the why you have been talknig about women, i never said anything about women not able to fly planes and all that stuff you mentioned, but in war i have never heard a women been caught by the enemy and Tortured for answers. And the only way a women could probebly hurt you is if she's flying a plane dropping bombs on you or she had a gun, when it comes down to it men dominate the military force, they have been doing it much longer than women, women are just an Accessorie.

Danny · #28 02-22-2002, 10:55 PM

You know, you asked me in a different topic if I disliked you because you used shorthand. I answered that no, I didn't dislike you. However, I am now beginning to lean towards yes, if only because of your misogynist tendencies...

Surfacing · #29 02-22-2002, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
There now follows a list of good bands fronted by women:

Portishead (quite possibly my favourite band)

Drugstore (hardly groundbreaking, but a good band nonetheless)

Massive Attack (a bit of a cheat here, since most of the band and session musicians were male, but most of the singers were female)

Kittie (not my type of thing, but then you're into Metal, aren't you, Surf?)

Beth Orton (not a band, but she's still great)

PJ Harvey (need I say more?)

Alanis Morissette (a lot of people don't like her, but I do)

Belle and Sebastian (I really wish I hadn't sold the B&S CDs I had...)

Moloko (good stuff, and provides a nice bit of variation in any CD collection...)

Need I go on?

That's egsactly my point Danny, all those bands are terrible espically Kittie, bunch a chicks that's can't play there intruments if you ask me.

Surfacing · #30 02-22-2002, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Danny
You know, you asked me in a different topic if I disliked you because you used shorthand. I answered that no, I didn't dislike you. However, I am now beginning to lean towards yes, if only because of your misogynist tendencies...

I'm not Misogynisy, i just think that women are not good at:

* Wars
*And bands

anything else is completly different.