Comunisim

Wolfpac · #1 12-28-2001, 03:30 AM

Why dosen't Comunisim Work???

In theroy Everyone gets fed, No One is Rich, No One is Poor. As long as you do your bit you are equal. But the thing is it just dosen't work. Yes most of us live in a Democratic Nation but the Classes divide us. But under Communist Rule everyone is counted as equal. So if Comunisim works in theroy, why did America and alot of ather nations think it was "Evil". Yes you don't have total freedom, but at least you don't have to worry about where your next meal might come from.

So I ask you this. If Comunisim worked as it dose in theroy, would you rather live in a Communist Nation or still live in a Democratic Nation.

Lampion · #2 12-28-2001, 04:01 AM

The comunist theory will lead us to an ultimate and utopic achievement of human kind on Earth. It has not worked yet because the people of our world are not prepared to face each other as equals. We are not prepared to put our individual needs aside and start to think of the humanity as a whole, a global organism living in harmony, where a suffering individual means suffering for all.

The comunist experiences of the last two centuries were heavily based in low class-materialist-labour force trying to achieve a living pattern at least close to the higher classes. Despite this fact, the central idea of comunism is based in something that has been discussed since the beggining of the human jorney, and had brilliant representatives, like Budha, Gandhi, San Francisco of Assis, and specially Jesus Christ. I'm talking about compassion, I'm talking about love.

[ December 27, 2001: Message edited by: Lampion ]

Danny · #3 12-28-2001, 06:18 PM

You want to know why Communism has never worked? Because it has never been tried. The USSR and Maoist China were never Communist, they were Stalinist. The difference is simple - In a Communist State, Everybody works for the good of Everybody. In a Stalinist State, Everybody works for the good of their Leader. Anybody see the difference there?

The thing is, as long as a rabidly Capitalist nation like the US is the most powerful nation in the world, Communism cannot work, sinly because America would place such heavy trade sanctions on them, and would force other countries to do the same. Communism will not work, in my opinion, until we have a single World Government.

Oh, and in answer to your question, I would rather live in a Communist Democracy. The fact is, any non-Democratic nation that claims to be Communist isn't, since the people have no say in the government, and are therefore not equal. Communism and Democracy are not mutually exclusive, in fact neither can truly exist without the other.

[ December 28, 2001: Message edited by: Rettick ]

Steve · #4 12-28-2001, 06:23 PM

one reason is people think 'wait a minute I get everything I would get for working well if I work poorly'.

Danny · #5 12-28-2001, 07:06 PM

No they don't. That's a lie. Communism doesn't give everyone the same, it just gives people what they deserve for the amount of work they do. Unlike Capitalism, which pays Bill Gates more a second than your average Surgeon gets a year...

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #6 12-29-2001, 08:41 PM

Communism still exist today. In Cuba, China, and other places.

It does'nt work because of greed. There are some people who don't want to be equal. Some want to be higher than you and want you lower than them, some want to be in the middle. That's what I was taught. Marx's Communism and all lat'.

Danny · #7 12-29-2001, 09:03 PM

Actually, Cuba works fairly well. Its literacy rate is far above the US's, and it even has a lower infant mortality rate. I'm not sure, but I think the Life Expectancy might be higher as well. But anyway, that doesn't make it Communist. Communism has never happened, really.

Roop · #8 12-30-2001, 12:23 AM

Honestly i dont want to live where everyone is equal because I want to strive to be bigger and better than everyone else.

oddite4456 · #9 12-30-2001, 12:41 AM

Two reasons I think Communism never worked:
1) Corrupt leaders. The "great and mighty" leader claims everyone is equal as he sleeps on a bed of money and the people struggle to maintain decent living conditions.

2) No reason to try and excel. What's the point in doing something like developing a cure for cancer or improving a product if you get the same paycheck as a lazy person who slacks off and calls in sick at least one day every week.

As Lampion said, we don't care about each other enough to have any sort of existing equality.

Danny · #10 12-30-2001, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by oddite4456:
Two reasons I think Communism never worked:
1) Corrupt leaders. The "great and mighty" leader claims everyone is equal as he sleeps on a bed of money and the people struggle to maintain decent living conditions.(1)

2) No reason to try and excel. What's the point in doing something like developing a cure for cancer or improving a product if you get the same paycheck as a lazy person who slacks off and calls in sick at least one day every week.(2)

As Lampion said, we don't care about each other enough to have any sort of existing equality.

1. That is why I say that Communism has never been attempted. This is just Stalinism.

2.

No! That's not what Communism is about! I've already said this! Communism is not about giving people the same however much they work! Communism is about giving people the same opportunities to get good jobs whatever their background, and ensuring that they get payed what they deserve for the amount of work they do! Could everybody please get this into their heads!

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #11 12-31-2001, 04:36 PM

Um yeah Rettick, they were trying to make a stupid Utopia out of Communism. What are you talking about it never was tried? What's your grade in Social Studies again?

Danny · #12 12-31-2001, 05:02 PM

The USSR was never really Communist, it was Stalinist. It could never have been Communist, because [as I have already stated] True Communism cannot exist without Democracy. The same applies to Maoist China and all of the other countries that have pretended to be Communist over the years.

Edit: Anyway, what's so stupid about Utopia, anyway? The definition of Utopia practically states that it's really good, and I for one would love to live in a Utopia...

[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Rettick ]

PinkHaired Mudokon CWR · #13 12-31-2001, 05:47 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rettick:
[B]The USSR was never really Communist, it was Stalinist. It could never have been Communist, because [as I have already stated] True Communism cannot exist without Democracy. The same applies to Maoist China and all of the other countries that have pretended to be Communist over the years.

Edit: Anyway, what's so stupid about Utopia, anyway? The definition of Utopia practically states that it's really good, and I for one would love to live in a Utopia...

Nobody was talking about the USSR. Where did you get that from?

Utopia is crazy. It will neeeevvveeerrr happen.