Killing for curiousity: What makes a monster?

[Leto]

But evil: does it really exist?

[Sekto Springs]

Unfortunately, Mr. Sheils, your fad has not caught on.
See us again in a week.

[MA]

I lost it. Anyway, I've read about this stuff and seen a lot of pictures and - yes, 'factory farmed' is the correct term, anyway pigs die all the time because there's no light, they're crowded, they're fed chemicals to make 'em grow faster...

yeah, factory farming. not farming. if you have read up on it you should have labelled it as factory farming and not let people assume its how they are farmed everywhere. thats why i informed you what it was/may have been (CANT REMEMBER).

and I'm fairly sure they still chop up those dead pigs for meat.

and if i can remember that picture right, those pigs didn't look anywhere near the correct weight for slaughter yet. and believe it or not, even factory farms are bound by legalities to incinerate animal carcasses that die of unknown causes, disease, scours and other young animal illnesses, and of course, ones that have medication in their system. i believe its no longer permitted to bury due to the whole possible anthrax situation that could occur in the ground, and later be unearthed.

but i can only assume as i'm going by the 10 seconds of its image in my memory.

[enchilado]

Those pigs are here: http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/pig-ff-02.jpg

I don't know anything about the site, I just searched Google for pigs. I've seen images like that before though. These particular ones might be something different.

Look at that image, and then:




Aren't they cute?

[Sekto Springs]

Chris Farley's coroner photos.
But who's the other guy?

Actually, I have nothing good to say about the mistreatment of animals. That picture could easily be taken out of context though.

[~Oprilthevykker~]

I'm not really effected by animals dying all that much. I mean, it's not that I don' care but it'd have to be something like a whale dying to really get to me. I know it's not the best way to handle things, just killing them off but think about it.. if they didn't kill kangaroo's all year, they would have so many they'd be up to their armpits in em'.

Same with deer, deer are beautiful creatures.. but if they weren't hunted year round, people would be killed in crashes from the overwhelming herds of deer on a daily basis that it'd be too late to do anything.

I'm just saying some animals die because there is a threat of a take over at times. It's a heck of a lot better way to go then to be in a world so overwhelmed with.. Pigs, for instance, that they'd starve from lack of food.
But I'm all against unneeded animal abuse, it's cruel, wrong and evil.

I think treating cats and dogs like some are on shows like animal cops, should be punishable by death.

[enchilado]

I think you're quite wrong about overwhelming herds. I mean, if humans didn't exist, it's not like deer and kangaroos would take over the world, is it?

[MA]

Those pigs are here: http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/pig-ff-02.jpg

I don't know anything about the site, I just searched Google for pigs. I've seen images like that before though. These particular ones might be something different.

Look at that image, and then:




Aren't they cute?

At this factory farm, these two young pigs died before reaching six months of age, when they would normally be slaughtered.

from here; images of dead animals. not nice viewing.

yeah, they're too young. i stopped the quote where it goes on a mini peripheral rant about killing pigs at that age. they seem to forget where the fuck lamb comes from. but that's factory farming for you; it aint the way it's supposed to be. mainly due to greed that these factories are set up, that and a bodge-job easy way to keep feeding the population. which we wouldn't have to do like that if they stopped building on farm land.

so those pigs were not put into the food chain.

also, give me evidence that the picture of the 2 piglets are not in fact pets. they sure as hell look like they are. and tell me what your point is exactly? yes, they're cute, and yes, i'd rather look at them than the others. so? what is your argument in that post? visual aesthetics should not have any bearing on the judgement of whether an animal lives, dies, or any other matter.

[enchilado]

I'm fed up with this. I get the feeling I'm giving the impression of a tree-hugging hippy animal activist shit. I'm not. I'm just saying it's sick that the same species can let pigs (which are very intelligent, you know) bloat and die and even start rotting before they incinerate them, and keep them as pets and bathe them and hug them and play with them.

I don't mind people eating them, but most people treat animals as if they're there for us - our pleasure, to do what we want with. I don't actually like those happy pigs, because the people who keep them probably eat factory farmed meat and don't give a shit.

"I eat these pigs"
"I play with these pigs"
"tough luck"

We're actually animals too, y'know. We may wear clothes and have complicated languages and invent guns and nuclear missiles, but we're really pretty much the same.

[Sekto Springs]

I think you're quite wrong about overwhelming herds. I mean, if humans didn't exist, it's not like deer and kangaroos would take over the world, is it?

It's not so much that as it's they have collected in large groups in small areas. They won't migrate en masse, and because of the exceptional conditions of the areas they are reproducing much faster. The problem is, there are so damn many and they aren't evenly distributed enough, so they quickly exhaust their food supply and many end up starving to death over the winter. You'd think this would help in shaving down the numbers, but it doesn't. It's pretty much just an ongoing cycle of a surplus population of deer dying slowly and painfully and taking a little more of their food supply with them each time it comes full circle.

[~Oprilthevykker~]

Oh, ench said something.. Um, no? they wouldn't "take over".
But they'd eat all known plant life until the had little choice but to devour each other.
In "this" time an age they would anyway if they were allowed to breed and multiply.

[enchilado]

That's only 'coz of where the humans put 'em >>

[~Oprilthevykker~]

Your entitled to your own opinion, I suppose.

[Wings of Fire]

You all fail ecology forever.

[Sekto Springs]

Herbivores aren't adventitious eaters. They wouldn't suddenly become carnivores, they would go extinct before that happens.

In the end, nature rights itself, but we tamper with so many of it's processes that it takes alot longer than it used to.

[~Oprilthevykker~]

Those pigs are here: http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/pig-ff-02.jpg

I don't know anything about the site, I just searched Google for pigs. I've seen images like that before though. These particular ones might be something different.

Look at that image, and then:




Aren't they cute?

Oh yeah, bet they would make a great BLT.
Sorry if that offends anyone, but my gosh they look delicious.

[Wings of Fire]

Pigs tend not to look like that once they grow up.

HOHOHOHO

[enchilado]

I want a pet Kune Kune:

[Sekto Springs]

Yeah. Like I said that picture looks out of context to me.
Those pigs aren't dead, they're just being pigs - fat, dirty, and sleepy.

[enchilado]

Dirty? Pigs aren't dirty.

[Sekto Springs]

Pigs kept in cramped farms are.

[MA]

I'm fed up with this. I get the feeling I'm giving the impression of a tree-hugging hippy animal activist shit. I'm not. I'm just saying it's sick that the same species can let pigs (which are very intelligent, you know) bloat and die and even start rotting before they incinerate them, and keep them as pets and bathe them and hug them and play with them.

I don't mind people eating them, but most people treat animals as if they're there for us - our pleasure, to do what we want with. I don't actually like those happy pigs, because the people who keep them probably eat factory farmed meat and don't give a shit.

"I eat these pigs"
"I play with these pigs"
"tough luck"

We're actually animals too, y'know. We may wear clothes and have complicated languages and invent guns and nuclear missiles, but we're really pretty much the same.

honestly, this is debating, no one means anything personal and there is no flaming currently going on. not even trolling. i'm debating with you. i can actually debate, but most stuff doesn't interest me.

and i still don't understand the motive behind posting that cute picture and asking people to compare it with the linked one.

but yeah, you're totally right about dead farm animals being left around for days before being picked up for incineration, and i have many horrible personal experiences concerning that, but i've worked on 5 different farms in my lifetime. they are not all the same. before you were giving the impression you were putting them all into one category, but some are shit, some are cruel, some are healthy and some are pretty ingenious.

EDIT: EVERYONE POSTED

EDIT 2:

Yeah. Like I said that picture looks out of context to me.
Those pigs aren't dead, they're just being pigs - fat, dirty, and sleepy.

exactly this. they may be sleeping, they may not. and what makes it less trustworthy is the incredible stereotypical and opinionated nature of the site. pigs enjoy being filthy, too. obviously ones domesticated may have bred out of it, but when you see a pig lying in a cesspit, asleep, you don't think "poor pig", you think "that's where my bacon sarnies come from?"

[enchilado]

I didn't mean to give that impression. Sorry if I did so. I'ma shut up now.

[MA]

don't shut up. you're good at making points. if you were making a daft point i wouldn't have even replied to you.

[~Oprilthevykker~]

I want a pet Kune Kune:

Luau! If you're hungry for a hunk of fat and juicy meat eat my buddy Pumbaa here because he is a treat. Come on down and dine on this tasty swine all you have to do is get in line. Aaaare you achin'? foooor some bacon? He's a big pig You could be a big pig too! Oy!

[Nate]

I think you're quite wrong about overwhelming herds. I mean, if humans didn't exist, it's not like deer and kangaroos would take over the world, is it?

If humans didn't exist, deer and kangaroos would not have been pushed out of their native habitat and on to the limited remaining natural resources.

And wrt your previous posts about kangaroos going extinct because of killing for food; the quotas are calculated by the government and strictly enforced. They're not just arbitrarily massacred.

[Sekto Springs]

Deer to Pennsylvania are as rabbits to the outback.

[Nate]

Except that deer are native to the area, are they not?

[enchilado]

Of course, the government won't let the kangaroos die!

http://www.prijatelji-zivotinja.hr/data/image_3_226.jpg
http://www.awpc.org.au/campaigns/rooheads.jpg
http://www.animalsaustralia.org/imag...tered-roos.jpg

[T-nex]

Showing scary pics of dead animals to prove your point is so PETA.